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Unread 06-16-2011, 10:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I just wanted to answer a few questions about the silver Jubilee. First, I wanted to know the difference between the silver jubilee 2550 and 2555. Second i just wanted to make sure Jubilees are tube and 2 channel. Also, is there any difference between the slash JCM jubilee and the silver jube 2555?
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I just wanted to answer a few questions about the silver Jubilee. First, I wanted to know the difference between the silver jubilee 2550 and 2555. Second i just wanted to make sure Jubilees are tube and 2 channel. Also, is there any difference between the slash JCM jubilee and the silver jube 2555?
The Silver Jubilee is a 2 Channel amp, and you can activate the diode clipping that uses diode for crunch and distorted sound.
And there's no differences between the Slash jubilee and the Silver Jubilee.
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A1: 2250 = 50w...........2255 = 100w

A2: both are tube amps, both have 2 channels, but for the most part Jubilees are one channel amps (much like the JCM800 2205)…….b/c one of its channels is weaker sounding and the other is just dynamite for lead tone.

A3: Different colors. 1980s Jubilees are silver, and Slash models are the normal black Marshall amp color.
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The Silver Jubilee is a 2 Channel amp, and you can activate the diode clipping that uses diode for crunch and distorted sound.
And there's no differences between the Slash jubilee and the Silver Jubilee.
Actually,the diodes are active at all times. There are two different sets of diodes that can be switched between for different voicings.

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I had a 50 watt Jubilee head back in the 80's. I loved the lead channel, but the clean channel never did much for me, especially with the shared EQ section. I never thought it was really useful as a two channel amp. You would probably need to use an overdrive pedal for heavier stuff even on the lead channel with the Jubilee. I do wish I had never sold my Jubilee, but I doubt that it would get much use these days now that I have a slightly modded 50 watt JVM head that I am really happy with. I added a 1uF cap, a choke and modded the JVM205's stock OD2 channel into the JVM410's OD1 channel. The OD1 channel does not have the mid scoop of OD2 and is better for "classic" Marshall tones which the JVM is loaded with. Some people bag on the JVM for being noisy, but it has enough gain to kill a horse. I normally run the lead channel gain on 3 or 4 and that is plenty.
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Great lead amp. Instead of a 2 channel amp, it is best considered either a switchable 2 tone amp, or an amp with a solo boost channel.
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Actually,the diodes are active at all times.

No they are not.

On the clean channel, with the knob pushed in, the signal is ALL tube.
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No they are not.

On the clean channel, with the knob pushed in, the signal is ALL tube.
Oooooooooooops my baaaaaad. I was thinking of the OD signal, as the clean signals on all of the before mentioned amps are useless to me.

And thanks for the subtle correction.

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Oooooooooooops my baaaaaad. I was thinking of the OD signal, as the clean signals on all of the before mentioned amps are useless to me.
I don't mind the clean channel on the Jubilee. With the right guitar and application, it sounds pretty good.
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ya im looking for an 80's hard rock tone, so i thought the jubilee was good. I dont mind a shared EQ section, but I just need a switch from clean to dirty quickly. I was also wondering if there are tonal differences between the 2550 and the 2555
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ya im looking for an 80's hard rock tone, so i thought the jubilee was good. I dont mind a shared EQ section, but I just need a switch from clean to dirty quickly. I was also wondering if there are tonal differences between the 2550 and the 2555
The Jube is not your amp if the switching must go from clean to blistering lead/crunch and you must have that in one amp instead of two with an A-B-Y switch. The first amp in the series that honestly addresses that is the JCM 900 series, and other newer amps.

As for tone, they likely differ to some extent. 2555s have more headroom, so 2550s have earlier breakup. I really like what my 2550 can do on half power, but Adwex commented that putting a 2555 on half power neuters it.
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The Jube is not your amp if the switching must go from clean to blistering lead/crunch and you must have that in one amp instead of two with an A-B-Y switch. The first amp in the series that honestly addresses that is the JCM 900 series, and other newer amps.

As for tone, they likely differ to some extent. 2555s have more headroom, so 2550s have earlier breakup. I really like what my 2550 can do on half power, but Adwex commented that putting a 2555 on half power neuters it.
I can get squeaky clean and full out crunch on my jubilee. I've done this many times live. No Issues there unless you have super high output pickups that break up the clean channel's input. Just use you guitar's volume knob.

In terms of breakup, the 2550/2555 don't really saturate the power section. Its almost all preamp tone .

the 1/2 power switch simply puts the amp in triode"ish" mode. Its not really a 1/2 power switch and I agree, it sounds better in full power mode.
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2555s have more headroom, so 2550s have earlier breakup
U mean the 2555's are more versatile? What do u mean by breakup?
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The Jube is not your amp if the switching must go from clean to blistering lead/crunch and you must have that in one amp instead of two with an A-B-Y switch.
I thot the silver jubilee 2555 was two channel
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I can get squeaky clean and full out crunch on my jubilee. I've done this many times live. No Issues there unless you have super high output pickups that break up the clean channel's input. Just use you guitar's volume knob.

In terms of breakup, the 2550/2555 don't really saturate the power section. Its almost all preamp tone .

the 1/2 power switch simply puts the amp in triode"ish" mode. Its not really a 1/2 power switch and I agree, it sounds better in full power mode.
I have gotten a workable clean out of the Jube, and would have to agree that if forced, the amp could conceivably work as proposed. The problem is that it doesn't work well for certain music or tastes.

The way the Jubilee works is with a Master volume that controlls both channels, so already that master volume becomes a compromise... too high up - you risk tube breakup on both channels, too low - the great lead tone becomes severly compromised (what most complain about w JCM 900s). What makes things worse, is that for some stange reason, the "lead" channel is dependant upon ALL THREE knobs (the master volume, the Lead gain, and the Rhythm gain), whereas the rhythm channel only uses the Rhythm gain and Master volume.

So in other words, the only way to get the true lead tone is to crank the Lead gain, the Rhythm gain, and Master volume, which disrupts the clean channel into a bluesy overdrive tone. If on the other hand, you dial back EITHER the Rhythm gain OR the Master Volume, then the Lead tone is compromised, even if the Lead gain is on 10.

So in effect, it is not a good channel switching amp (if you want to get the most out of it). It could conceivably work, but not well, not nearly as well as other channel switchers, and you may have as good or better results with a single channel amp on clean with a fierce pedal.

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I thot the silver jubilee 2555 was two channel

Read this and the other posts I wrote in the thread carefully. Both 50 and 100 watt Jubilees have 2 channels. The two questions you need to focus on are "can the channels work for the job you have described", (yes) and "does the amp actually do this well" (no, not in many people's opinion).

If the killer tone > channel switch clean to dirty, this amp will suit you well in the first department and somewhat in the second.

If the killer tone < sparkling clean to crunch/extreme channel switching, this amp will disappoint and others with less legendary tone will serve your practical needs better.
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I have gotten a workable clean out of the Jube, and would have to agree that if forced, the amp could conceivably work as proposed. The problem is that it doesn't work well for certain music or tastes.

The way the Jubilee works is with a Master volume that controlls both channels, so already that master volume becomes a compromise... too high up and you risk tube breakup, to low and the great lead tone becomes severly compromised (what most complain about w JCM 900s). What makes things worse, is that for some stange reason, the "lead" channel is dependant upon ALL THREE knobs (the master volume, the Lead gain, and the Rhythm gain), whereas the rhythm channel only uses the Rhythm gain and Master volume.

So in other words, the only way to get the true lead tone is to crank the Lead gain, the Rhythm gain, and Master volume, which disrupts the clean channel into a bluesy overdrive tone. If on the other hand, you dial back EITHER the Rhythm gain OR the Master Volume, then the Lead tone is compromised, even if the Lead gain is on 10.

So in effect, it is not a good channel switching amp (if you want to get the most out of it). It could conceivably work, but not well, not nearly as well as other channel switchers, and you may have as good or better results with a single channel amp on clean with a fierce pedal.
Works great for me, especially for 80/90s metal and even wen pushed hard, I don't think I ever had the power section go into breakup on the clean channel.

Would you mind posting clips and settings? I've had the gain dimed/master on 6-7, Dimarzio PAF PRO, clean channel and no issues.
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Works great for me, especially for 80/90s metal and even wen pushed hard, I don't think I ever had the power section go into breakup on the clean channel.

Would you mind posting clips and settings? I've had the gain dimed/master on 6-7, Dimarzio PAF PRO, clean channel and no issues.
Wait... you had the Gain dimed on the Rhythm Clean Channel and the master on 6-7 and had a clean tone?!

If I want high gain, I need to switch to the Lead channel push the Lead gain AND the Rhythm gain past 7. Thus, if I switched back to the rhythm/clean channel, it would be bluesy OD, not clean.

For example (Blue = Clean/Rhythm Channel, Red = Lead Channel)
M = MASTER L= LEAD R= RHYTHM/Clean


M <5, L 0-10, R<5 "Quiet sparkling clean" Problem: Lead is completely neutered (even on 10) when switched

M > 5, L >7, R >7 "Scortching Lead" Problem: Clean is distorted to OD blues/rock when switched

So, the more you go under "Noon" on the Rhythm gain, the worse the Lead gets neutered when swiched, and the more you go over "Noon" on the rhythm channel, the more the clean is overdriven.


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Wait... you had the Gain dimed on the Rhythm Clean Channel and the master on 6-7 and had a clean tone?!
Yup, but it really depends on what you play, the guitar & pick attack.

For something like the intro to "The Last In Line - Dio", I have no problems getting a clean tone with the setup previously mentioned.

I'm I'm playing something like SRV, then its not quite the same ball game.
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Yup, but it really depends on what you play, the guitar & pick attack.

For something like the intro to "The Last In Line - Dio", I have no problems getting a clean tone with the setup previously mentioned.

I'm I'm playing something like SRV, then its not quite the same ball game.
Then you and I are on the same page, I believe. That clean is not "Clean" but a driven rock sound that isn't heavily distorted. So, if you want an amp that does "Sweet Child O Mine", you go from a driven "not clean/not distorted" rhythm, with a WOW lead sound, that's the Jubilee. If you want to do "Fade to Black" rhythm without having to roll the volume on the guitar or dramatically alter picking attack, then the Jubilee is a disappointing compromise. A 2+ channel with separate Gain AND separate Master Volumes (like the JCM 900, DSL, etc.) is the way to go.
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Then you and I are on the same page, I believe. That clean is not "Clean" but a driven rock sound that isn't heavily distorted. So, if you want an amp that does "Sweet Child O Mine", you go from a driven "not clean/not distorted" rhythm, with a WOW lead sound, that's the Jubilee. If you want to do "Fade to Black" rhythm without having to roll the volume on the guitar or dramatically alter picking attack, then the Jubilee is a disappointing compromise. A 2+ channel with separate Gain AND separate Master Volumes (like the JCM 900, DSL, etc.) is the way to go.
I also have a 2550x which has separate gain controls. An original jubilee could be modded with concentric knobs (no drilling) and have separate lead/clean gain controls.
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....., but Adwex commented that putting a 2555 on half power neuters it.
I used that switch once.



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I have a Jubilee 2550 I snagged in 1994, well before they became sought after. As far as I know from a bit of research the amp from the factory came with EL34's... mine had 6L6's when I got it 17 years ago, and thats all I have been puttin in it. Never had an issue with the amp - runs like a champ. Did any roll out from Marshall with 6L6's or 5881's stock?

From what I can tell you can go from EL34's to 6L6's by biasing, but the other way around, if the amp was stock with 6L6's you have to do a mod to accept EL34's. I stuck a couple El34's in it the other day for a few minutes and the amp sounded great, but I don't want to do a permanent swap until I know nothing will get cooked. Any info on this would be appreciated! Thanks...
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To ensure that the EL34 run fine (which they should if nothing was modded on the amp), take some guts pics and we can look for parts that have been swapped out. Perhaps a separate thread would be a good idea too
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To ensure that the EL34 run fine (which they should if nothing was modded on the amp), take some guts pics and we can look for parts that have been swapped out. Perhaps a separate thread would be a good idea too
Thanks alot, I will be taking the chassis out soon for a look and compare to the schematic. I did a separate post under the workbench section too...
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Wait... you had the Gain dimed on the Rhythm Clean Channel and the master on 6-7 and had a clean tone?!

If I want high gain, I need to switch to the Lead channel push the Lead gain AND the Rhythm gain past 7. Thus, if I switched back to the rhythm/clean channel, it would be bluesy OD, not clean.

For example (Blue = Clean/Rhythm Channel, Red = Lead Channel)
M = MASTER L= LEAD R= RHYTHM/Clean


M <5, L 0-10, R<5 "Quiet sparkling clean" Problem: Lead is completely neutered (even on 10) when switched

M > 5, L >7, R >7 "Scortching Lead" Problem: Clean is distorted to OD blues/rock when switched

So, the more you go under "Noon" on the Rhythm gain, the worse the Lead gets neutered when swiched, and the more you go over "Noon" on the rhythm channel, the more the clean is overdriven.


Clips will have to wait until tonight or later this week.
would love to hear clips of those settings, and one of the lead tone with low volume if possible
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k and are there tonal differences between the silver jubilee 2550 and 2555?
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k and are there tonal differences between the silver jubilee 2550 and 2555?
That question was already answered.

They're the SAME amp. one is 50w and the other is 100w. The tone is identical but one has more headroom and 3 db more output.
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I don't mind the clean channel on the Jubilee. With the right guitar and application, it sounds pretty good.
The Jubilee is my main gigging amp ... and i use the clean channel about 10% of the time and i've managed to dial in a fairly good clean sound.
Yes I have to share the eq but I still am able to get the sweet crunch tones on the OD channel - no sacrifice.
I add a subtle chorus and delay on some tunes and the cleans sounds nice and lush .. no break-up at all.

In my mind this amp works very well as a 2-channel amp.
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I dont mean to sound stupid, but what does more headroom mean, and what is db? (i really dont know much about amps)
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I dont mean to sound stupid, but what does more headroom mean, and what is db? (i really dont know much about amps)
More headroom means it will breakup later, i.e. a 50w amp will start to distort earlier than a 100w amp which can be a desirable trait depending on your preference. Headroom also affects how well the amp cleans up when using your volume knob on your guitar.

DB = Decibel - Standard measurement of volume.
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