did HOT TUBES try out a VM yet? - Page 2

HOT TUBES 70 · 12-09-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pinto79

The Long & McQuade in Vancouver has piles of VMs and JVMs. Why is it so hard to find one where you are?

good question , were still exited about the wheel around here !!!! LOL!!!!

psphill27 · 12-09-2008, 08:37 PM

I know what you mean HT...I lived in Minot, ND for a couple years and practically started drooling when I would see a Marshall at my local shop. Hope the VM ends up being everything you think it will when you get your hands on it.

steelhorse · 12-09-2008, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by joeellistsl

steelhorse,

Man your passion for the VM has me salivating thinking about getting one myself. I know tone is a difficult thing to explain and is very subjective, but I ask that you answer a few questions for me and hopefully others.

OK I'll try but like you say it's subjective...

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I own a TSL601. Try and describe how the VM sounds better than my amp. Is the vintage stage voiced more like a JTM-45 because it uses KT-66 tubes? Do you have a wide range of distortion and is it less compressed than the 601at higher gain settings with the modern stage?

It's more vintage voiced, more articulate (by far) more dynamic and more organic than the TSL.

It's based on the JTM-45, but a hot rodded version with the modern bells and whistles to boot...

Yes, less compressed, great bottom end, tight mids and a singing cut through the mix high end.

Great distortion and the cleans are fantastic especially after the pre amp tube adjustment I recommend in the VM thread

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If I were to purchase a 2266 head, what cabinet and speakers would you recommend? I prefer a 2 X 12. My amp has a Celestion G12T-75 which I like a lot. It is very clear with punchy bottom end. Obviously, with a 2 X 12, I wouldn't need speakers with such a high power rating.

I think that's in the ear of the beholder. I like the G12T's myself but I really think that V30's or Greenbacks are the way to go with this amp imo

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What tubes do you recommend? I replaced my tubes with Tung Sol EL34-B's and 12AX7's. Do you like the JJ's from eurotubes more? I know you have addressed many of these issues in other threads, but they are scattered about and it would take a while to hunt them all down.

I wouldn't recommend changing the power tubes until they need to be changed in a few years and then I'm planning on going with the Genalex Golden Lions or even get a set of stock to replace the originals because imo they sound that good. They are in reality shuguang's anyway, a very good tube.

As for pre amp tubes, I changed mine to an electro harmonix for V1, a high gain JJ for the V2 & V3 and a balanced high gain JJ for V4.

Made a hug difference. Everything balanced out and smoothed out without losing crunch or tone.

I get all of my JJ from Euro Tubes fwiw.

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Finally, I plan to purchase a 1974X or 2061X next year. Do you think linking either of these with the VM would work? I love the sweet sound of the vintage hand wired amps, but to get serious gain, a pedal out front is required. I thought running them together, I could probably get good saturation without the need for a pedal. The hand wired amps are loud, so to push them hard enough to get the power tube gain may require an attenuator which I already have. I don't need excruciating gain. I am more of a classic rock gain person.

This amp is perfect for classic rock and yes absolutely linking the 2266 with those amps would make a great rig imo.

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Thanks in advance. By the way. I know where there is a brand new 2266 head right now for $1000.

Sounds like a great deal!

steelhorse · 12-09-2008, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

Don't Even Joke About That Steelhorse !
I Need A Fix Of Pure Marshall Tone .........bad !!!!

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

(and thank God for Jim Marshall)

joeellistsl · 12-09-2008, 11:19 PM

steelhorse,

Thanks for the reply. I have read many of your posts and I respect your opinion. I am probably going to get the VM and put the TSL on the blocks. My wife will go belistic if I buy too many. I think I can get away with the two VM 2266 & 1974X or 2061X. My daughter is learning to play, so if I let her use these some, my wife will not complain too much. Go figure. LOL. Anyway, thanks again.

steelhorse · 12-10-2008, 12:25 AM

Awesome joeel! Please post pics in the VM thread when you do happen to get one and let us know what you think.

BTW, I forgot to ask what kind of guitars will you be playing through these amps?

And fwiw, I actually use my 2266 AND TSL100 together, they compliment one another very well! So that may save you a few dollars and eye rollings there! LOL

Check it out:

steelhorse · 12-10-2008, 12:32 AM

Even more info from the creator Steve D:

"The FX loop utilizes high voltage mosfets which behave in a similar way to valves. The FX loop stages are only conditioning buffers and I wasn't after any distortion from these stages so it works very well IMO. What do you think?

I didn't see the point in driving a digital reverb with a valve.

The Detail and Body controls both have the same gain. The 'Detail' controls gain from 400Hz upward and the Body controls gain from 400Hz downward. Virtually all of a guitar's harmonic distortion can be found in the Detail control's area so it is this control which has the most dramatic affect. The Body control affects the fundamental frequencies. There is a natural classic Marshall mid dip at 400Hz (the crossover frequency) which can be boosted and flattened out with the mid boost button if you like. The mid boost is a passive circuit in the signal path, not an extra stage.

The Vintage Modern is basically a JTM45 with some hot rodding. For a JTM 45 tone select the low dynamic range, master volume on full, mid boost out, Detail at 2 -4 o'clock. Body at 1 - 3 o'clock and then dime the tones. This should be very close.

The vintage Modern is essentially a Plexi with some bells and whistles. Its foundation is the 'JTM 45 Super 100's' as championed by Hendrix, Clapton in Cream and several others."

joeellistsl · 12-10-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by steelhorse

Awesome joeel! Please post pics in the VM thread when you do happen to get one and let us know what you think.

BTW, I forgot to ask what kind of guitars will you be playing through these amps?

And fwiw, I actually use my 2266 AND TSL100 together, they compliment one another very well! So that may save you a few dollars and eye rollings there! LOL

Check it out:

All HB pup's. A Jackson Pro Series RR3 with Seymour Duncan JB Model SH-4 in bridge and Seymour Duncan Jazz Model SH-2 in neck. This is actually my daughter's guitar, but we play each others from time to time. My guitar is a Gibson LP Studio (Fireburst) that I put Burstbucker Pro's in.

I plan on buying another LP Studio and put in an Angus Young pickup in bridge and Classic '57 in neck. This time, I am probably going to buy the all mahogany Studio without the maple top. I would think this would sound more like an SG. I have to buy 1 thing at a time to appease my wife. As long as I save the money, she is OK with it. I also eventually want to get something with P90's. I really like Gibson's but I just can't talk myself into spending the cash to buy an actual Standard. Maybe when I retire, I will treat myself.

Anyway, thanks for all the advice.

HOT TUBES 70 · 12-10-2008, 08:03 PM

[quote=steelhorse;19088]resistance Is Futile

[si

I Will Not Go Down Without A Fight !!!!!LOL!!!!LOL!!!LOL!!!

wareagle · 12-10-2008, 08:16 PM

you know maybe i got one with bum tubes or somthing but the one i tryed really didnt sound too great. acctually pretty bad if you want my opinion. maybe thers somthing wrong with it...tubes maybe but i found it very bassy, hiding the notes, not crisp but dull and i couldnt hear the notes, i like to play somthing and hear the notes, only thing that my jmp cant do, i find with a pedal or 2 i cant hear the notes as well, almost sounds outta tune or somthing. idk.

HOT TUBES 70 · 12-10-2008, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wareagle

you know maybe i got one with bum tubes or somthing but the one i tryed really didnt sound too great. acctually pretty bad if you want my opinion. maybe thers somthing wrong with it...tubes maybe but i found it very bassy, hiding the notes, not crisp but dull and i couldnt hear the notes, i like to play somthing and hear the notes, only thing that my jmp cant do, i find with a pedal or 2 i cant hear the notes as well, almost sounds outta tune or somthing. idk.

are you talking about a vintage modern amp , i'd assume so .?
everything that i have read about these amps is all but good.
but as you know i have not played one yet...........!

wareagle · 12-10-2008, 11:11 PM

ye same, from what i read they sound great but when i heard it im like...theres a cable unplugged? am i doing somthing wrong? sounded like a dsl. nothing to scream home about. i thought the tone was not that great. maybe ther is somthing wrong with the one i tryed.

steelhorse · 12-10-2008, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by wareagle

you know maybe i got one with bum tubes or somthing but the one i tryed really didnt sound too great. acctually pretty bad if you want my opinion. maybe thers somthing wrong with it...tubes maybe but i found it very bassy, hiding the notes, not crisp but dull and i couldnt hear the notes, i like to play somthing and hear the notes, only thing that my jmp cant do, i find with a pedal or 2 i cant hear the notes as well, almost sounds outta tune or somthing. idk.

It's definitely not a plug and play amp and if you use store gear chances are it's been tweaked for all kinds of strange settings (not modded, just adjusted).

This amp takes patience and needs to be worked with between the amp and the guitar. That is a prerequisite and part of the VM indoctrination so to speak. Takes time to find the sweet spots but once you do, dayum!

The pre amp tubes do need to be changed but I heard the potential when I spent time playing with it.

I did notice one thing and that is crappy players (and this is no diss to anyone) sounded just bloody awful through these VM's and yet those same players didn't sound as bad through the Boogie's and JVM's. I think high gain amps tend to hide poor playing. Again no diss to those amps either.

Just like the jubilee the VM won't hide certain things in fact it tends to expose them and is one of THE most articulate amps I've ever played through so it very well could be that something is wrong with the head also?

steelhorse · 12-10-2008, 11:20 PM

Also no way it sounds like a DSL. Completely different beasts. Completely. Different circuitry, electronics heck the power tubes are KT66's.

I have a DSL, and a TSL and the VM in no way sounds even close. It's closer to a JTM45 or a Silver Jubilee than a DSL.

wareagle · 12-11-2008, 08:11 AM

maybe the one i tryed just was missing somthing i didnt have too long to play with it but i didnt find any tone i liked. i consider myself a half decent player. it does need an overdrive pedal in it. i found it lacked sustain in fast playing without an overdrive

HOT TUBES 70 · 12-11-2008, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by steelhorse

It's definitely not a plug and play amp and if you use store gear chances are it's been tweaked for all kinds of strange settings (not modded, just adjusted).

This amp takes patience and needs to be worked with between the amp and the guitar. That is a prerequisite and part of the VM indoctrination so to speak. Takes time to find the sweet spots but once you do, dayum!

The pre amp tubes do need to be changed but I heard the potential when I spent time playing with it.

I did notice one thing and that is crappy players (and this is no diss to anyone) sounded just bloody awful through these VM's and yet those same players didn't sound as bad through the Boogie's and JVM's. I think high gain amps tend to hide poor playing. Again no diss to those amps either.

Just like the jubilee the VM won't hide certain things in fact it tends to expose them and is one of THE most articulate amps I've ever played through so it very well could be that something is wrong with the head also?

that makes sence , i have seen pics of those amps and they have instructions from marshall on how to set the amp for certin type
tones , they put a sticker on the front of the amp from new.
like the wife , you have to treat her a certin way before you get what
you want.................LOL !!!!

steelhorse · 12-11-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

that makes sence , i have seen pics of those amps and they have instructions from marshall on how to set the amp for certin type
tones , they put a sticker on the front of the amp from new.
like the wife , you have to treat her a certin way before you get what
you want.................LOL !!!!

Exactly, but you know some guys think this amp, like a good woman is like a microwave, it's instant, but it's a conventional oven type instrument and takes time to get cooking.

I also disagree with it needing pedals for sustain. I can make a cheap solid state amp sustain without pedals and sound really good. So certain guys either suck with it or don't like it, no problem, just means more of them for us that do like them!

wareagle · 12-11-2008, 06:39 PM

ye but no solid state will sound like a good tube amp. when i started to do a sweep or fast playing with min. picking i found that i lost some notes. maybe the tubes wer bad, o well. im happy with my jmp.

steelhorse · 12-11-2008, 07:02 PM

You're preaching to the choir wareagle but if I can make a crappy solid state amp sustain I can certainly get any tube amp to sustain also which was my point.

Sweep picking is a metal type method and this is not a metal amp. Try picking the notes if you can't hear them then get back to me

wareagle · 12-11-2008, 07:39 PM

lol yeh, i tend to not pick the notes, and not really a metal player, just showing off in the store hehe

the tone on a solid state isnt gona be close to a tube amp. what matters to me most is tone, however i can get it best i go with.

steelhorse · 12-11-2008, 08:29 PM

Good lord no one including me ever claimed a SS amp was going to sound as good as a tube amp.

Anyway, sorry for jacking the thread guys with all this SS and other BS.

Hope to hear from Hot Tubes soon about whether he was able to try the VM for himself.

HOT TUBES 70 · 12-11-2008, 08:49 PM

that new vm will be here on saturday am , i will be there with bells on !!!!!!
same amp as last but in traditional black .........oh boy , oh boy !!!!!

steelhorse · 12-11-2008, 08:57 PM

ok cool, I believe you've expressed you wanted a black version right?

Hope you get to check it out, remember take your own fiddle and work that amp!

Bummer about the purple. We'll have to call you Quasi if you wind up getting one! LOL

HOT TUBES 70 · 12-11-2008, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by steelhorse

ok cool, I believe you've expressed you wanted a black version right?

Hope you get to check it out, remember take your own fiddle and work that amp!

Bummer about the purple. We'll have to call you Quasi if you wind up getting one! LOL

WORK THAT AMP !!!!!

there going to have to retube it after i'm finished ..........LOL!!! LOL!!!

stock_hippie · 12-11-2008, 09:38 PM

cool...

steelhorse · 12-12-2008, 01:32 AM

yeah you go boy!

stock_hippie · 12-13-2008, 08:13 AM

BUY ITT!!!!justkiDDinnnnn

HOT TUBES 70 · 12-13-2008, 11:09 PM

I Never Got To Play On The Vm . I Got Called Into Work !!!

I'm Really Pist !!!

steelhorse · 12-13-2008, 11:11 PM

Yeah I wouldn't worry about it, it probably got sold anyway....

JUST KIDDING! (I hope)

HOT TUBES 70 · 12-14-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by steelhorse

yeah I Wouldn't Worry About It, It Probably Got Sold Anyway....

Just Kidding! (i Hope)

Lol!!!lol!!!lol!!!

12-09-2008, 08:37 PM	#32 (permalink)
psphill27 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 270	Re: did HOT TUBES try out a VM yet? I know what you mean HT...I lived in Minot, ND for a couple years and practically started drooling when I would see a Marshall at my local shop. Hope the VM ends up being everything you think it will when you get your hands on it.

12-09-2008, 11:19 PM	#35 (permalink)
joeellistsl Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: North Carolina Posts: 71	Re: did HOT TUBES try out a VM yet? steelhorse, Thanks for the reply. I have read many of your posts and I respect your opinion. I am probably going to get the VM and put the TSL on the blocks. My wife will go belistic if I buy too many. I think I can get away with the two VM 2266 & 1974X or 2061X. My daughter is learning to play, so if I let her use these some, my wife will not complain too much. Go figure. LOL. Anyway, thanks again.

12-10-2008, 12:32 AM	#37 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,888	Re: did HOT TUBES try out a VM yet? Even more info from the creator Steve D: "The FX loop utilizes high voltage mosfets which behave in a similar way to valves. The FX loop stages are only conditioning buffers and I wasn't after any distortion from these stages so it works very well IMO. What do you think? I didn't see the point in driving a digital reverb with a valve. The Detail and Body controls both have the same gain. The 'Detail' controls gain from 400Hz upward and the Body controls gain from 400Hz downward. Virtually all of a guitar's harmonic distortion can be found in the Detail control's area so it is this control which has the most dramatic affect. The Body control affects the fundamental frequencies. There is a natural classic Marshall mid dip at 400Hz (the crossover frequency) which can be boosted and flattened out with the mid boost button if you like. The mid boost is a passive circuit in the signal path, not an extra stage. The Vintage Modern is basically a JTM45 with some hot rodding. For a JTM 45 tone select the low dynamic range, master volume on full, mid boost out, Detail at 2 -4 o'clock. Body at 1 - 3 o'clock and then dime the tones. This should be very close. The vintage Modern is essentially a Plexi with some bells and whistles. Its foundation is the 'JTM 45 Super 100's' as championed by Hendrix, Clapton in Cream and several others." __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

12-10-2008, 08:03 PM	#39 (permalink)
HOT TUBES 70 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SASKATOON Posts: 1,675	Re: did HOT TUBES try out a VM yet? [quote=steelhorse;19088]resistance Is Futile [si I Will Not Go Down Without A Fight !!!!!LOL!!!!LOL!!!LOL!!!

12-10-2008, 08:16 PM	#40 (permalink)
wareagle Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: new york Posts: 323	Re: did HOT TUBES try out a VM yet? you know maybe i got one with bum tubes or somthing but the one i tryed really didnt sound too great. acctually pretty bad if you want my opinion. maybe thers somthing wrong with it...tubes maybe but i found it very bassy, hiding the notes, not crisp but dull and i couldnt hear the notes, i like to play somthing and hear the notes, only thing that my jmp cant do, i find with a pedal or 2 i cant hear the notes as well, almost sounds outta tune or somthing. idk.

12-10-2008, 11:11 PM	#42 (permalink)
wareagle Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: new york Posts: 323	Re: did HOT TUBES try out a VM yet? ye same, from what i read they sound great but when i heard it im like...theres a cable unplugged? am i doing somthing wrong? sounded like a dsl. nothing to scream home about. i thought the tone was not that great. maybe ther is somthing wrong with the one i tryed.

12-10-2008, 11:20 PM	#44 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,888	Re: did HOT TUBES try out a VM yet? Also no way it sounds like a DSL. Completely different beasts. Completely. Different circuitry, electronics heck the power tubes are KT66's. I have a DSL, and a TSL and the VM in no way sounds even close. It's closer to a JTM45 or a Silver Jubilee than a DSL. __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

12-11-2008, 08:11 AM	#45 (permalink)
wareagle Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: new york Posts: 323	Re: did HOT TUBES try out a VM yet? maybe the one i tryed just was missing somthing i didnt have too long to play with it but i didnt find any tone i liked. i consider myself a half decent player. it does need an overdrive pedal in it. i found it lacked sustain in fast playing without an overdrive

12-11-2008, 06:39 PM	#48 (permalink)
wareagle Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: new york Posts: 323	Re: did HOT TUBES try out a VM yet? ye but no solid state will sound like a good tube amp. when i started to do a sweep or fast playing with min. picking i found that i lost some notes. maybe the tubes wer bad, o well. im happy with my jmp.

12-11-2008, 07:02 PM	#49 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,888	Re: did HOT TUBES try out a VM yet? You're preaching to the choir wareagle but if I can make a crappy solid state amp sustain I can certainly get any tube amp to sustain also which was my point. Sweep picking is a metal type method and this is not a metal amp. Try picking the notes if you can't hear them then get back to me __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

12-11-2008, 07:39 PM	#50 (permalink)
wareagle Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: new york Posts: 323	Re: did HOT TUBES try out a VM yet? lol yeh, i tend to not pick the notes, and not really a metal player, just showing off in the store hehe the tone on a solid state isnt gona be close to a tube amp. what matters to me most is tone, however i can get it best i go with.

12-11-2008, 08:29 PM	#51 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,888	Re: did HOT TUBES try out a VM yet? Good lord no one including me ever claimed a SS amp was going to sound as good as a tube amp. Anyway, sorry for jacking the thread guys with all this SS and other BS. Hope to hear from Hot Tubes soon about whether he was able to try the VM for himself. __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

12-11-2008, 08:49 PM	#52 (permalink)
HOT TUBES 70 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SASKATOON Posts: 1,675	Re: did HOT TUBES try out a VM yet? that new vm will be here on saturday am , i will be there with bells on !!!!!! same amp as last but in traditional black .........oh boy , oh boy !!!!!

12-11-2008, 08:57 PM	#53 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,888	Re: did HOT TUBES try out a VM yet? ok cool, I believe you've expressed you wanted a black version right? Hope you get to check it out, remember take your own fiddle and work that amp! Bummer about the purple. We'll have to call you Quasi if you wind up getting one! LOL __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

12-11-2008, 09:38 PM	#55 (permalink)
stock_hippie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 626	Re: did HOT TUBES try out a VM yet? cool...

12-12-2008, 01:32 AM	#56 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,888	Re: did HOT TUBES try out a VM yet? yeah you go boy! __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

12-13-2008, 08:13 AM	#57 (permalink)
stock_hippie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 626	Re: did HOT TUBES try out a VM yet? BUY ITT!!!!justkiDDinnnnn

12-13-2008, 11:09 PM	#58 (permalink)
HOT TUBES 70 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SASKATOON Posts: 1,675	Re: did HOT TUBES try out a VM yet? I Never Got To Play On The Vm . I Got Called Into Work !!! I'm Really Pist !!!

12-13-2008, 11:11 PM	#59 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,888	Re: did HOT TUBES try out a VM yet? Yeah I wouldn't worry about it, it probably got sold anyway.... JUST KIDDING! (I hope) __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

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