900 stock or a 800 modded ??

HOT TUBES 70 · 11-16-2008, 05:21 PM

this is a interesting debate that needs some new opinions ..

sojatriani · 11-16-2008, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

this is a interesting debate that needs some new opinions ..

My vote is for the 900 modded. How can you put a modded 800 up against a stock 900. Even the playing field and the 900 kills the 800. You want great cleans and Marshall crunch, get the dual reverb 900, want more, a modded 900 SL-X with kill any 800.
JCM800 :Rust in Peace.

wareagle · 11-16-2008, 08:02 PM

WOW, we seriously disagree there. i think the 800 is loads better then the 900, tone wise. not versatlity wise. 2000's and 900's just have well not natural distortion while the 800 i think has the most natural distortion, and sounds the best.

kdickinson · 11-16-2008, 08:02 PM

I'm not sure about that, JCM-800 I'm almost 100% sure out sold the JCM-900 models. Sound of the 80's I guess big hair, big guitar sound all with JCM 800's

sojatriani · 11-16-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kdickinson

I'm not sure about that, JCM-800 I'm almost 100% sure out sold the JCM-900 models. Sound of the 80's I guess big hair, big guitar sound all with JCM 800's

Exactly, you both prove my point, and where is that sound now??? Gone with the JCM800.

HOT TUBES 70 · 11-16-2008, 09:04 PM

you can still hear that same type tone on a ton of new music.
i started this thread in order to get some other players opinions , i just want to sit back and
read some comments , but i had to get in on this one.

steelhorse · 11-16-2008, 09:16 PM

Kind of moot anyway with the new 'kid' on the block

(vm)

alerich · 11-16-2008, 09:31 PM

At least replace the wimpy OT in the stock 900 and make it a fair fight.

steelhorse · 11-16-2008, 09:34 PM

heh if all we're after is volume I suppose it would need to be done but how many of us are playing in stadiums?

Besides that's why they mike amps or run them through the PA.

sojatriani · 11-16-2008, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

you can still hear that same type tone on a ton of new music.
i started this thread in order to get some other players opinions , i just want to sit back and
read some comments , but i had to get in on this one.

You sure can, but that type of tone comes from 5150s, 6105s, triple Xs, Engls, Orange, etc... not JCM800s.

steelhorse · 11-16-2008, 09:40 PM

Dude you forgot the Boogies!

sojatriani · 11-16-2008, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by steelhorse

Dude you forgot the Boogies!

My bad, I love this debate, it's a neverending thrill ride. Most of the people who love the 2203 have never owned and tried to play and maintain one. I will say a modded JCM800 is a great amp for playing live, in large venues, like wimbley, or MSG, or the forum even. But go into a club and try to get a good sound miced up at acceptable volumes, you just can't get a good sound. I struggled with my 2203 for years wanting it to be good. Wanting that cranked tone at my shows. But unfortunatly we couldn't sell out arenas and I haggled with every soundman ever...and in the end, my monsterous JCM800 was at low volume miced and toneless. But thanks to Marshall we have the Vintage Modern, takes care of all the wrongs of the entire JCM lineup.

steelhorse · 11-16-2008, 09:50 PM

I'd get one again, but I'd attenuate it.

I probably won't unless I somehow fall into one or trade for one because all my future monies are being invested into more recording gear and another VM at least.

HOT TUBES 70 · 11-16-2008, 10:37 PM

I Love It But I Need To Hear More! Thanks To All !

sojatriani · 11-16-2008, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

I Love It But I Need To Hear More! Thanks To All !

your like Jerry Springer

Just trying to start a war. 800 vs 900, modded vs unmodded, you are EVIL!!!

steelhorse · 11-16-2008, 10:59 PM

A VM in action: YouTube - Somebody Get Me A Doctor

sojatriani · 11-16-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by steelhorse

A VM in action: YouTube - Somebody Get Me A Doctor

HOT TUBES 70 · 11-16-2008, 11:11 PM

The Truth Is I'm Such A Marshall Fan , I Think They Are All Awsome !!
I Do Love Reading Everyones Comments Thats For Sure !!!
The Bottom Line..............they Are All Marshalls , They Are All Great Amps !!!

God Bless Jim !

wareagle · 11-16-2008, 11:16 PM

ye id just buy a good attenuator, and anyway, if your playing msg, you should have the money to get a boogie or a plexi or somthing.

HOT TUBES 70 · 11-17-2008, 12:19 AM

STEELHORSE.. your utube link of "somebody get me a doctor"
if thats a VM i'm hooked already , great tone , (and he's a pretty good player)

steelhorse · 11-17-2008, 12:23 AM

He was able to get that brown sound for sure but I've also been able to nail that tone with the VM.

RED4100 · 11-17-2008, 01:03 AM

i have a JCM800 2203 and a JCM900 4100, they both kick ass. the 900 has better features and the 800 has no diode distortion but they are both great amps, and as far as proving your point and where did the 800's go? they are still a main gigging amp seen on big and small stages all over the world. some people like the 800 some like the 900, but to the people who know, the JCM900 line is the least wanted of the marshall line by collectors. and a jcm800 2203 is getting more on ebay than a jcm900 4100 by almost double, id say that speaks pretty loud.

steelhorse · 11-17-2008, 01:18 AM

Yeah I see what you are saying especially in the lower 48 it seems the 800's are flying off the shelves and home studio stands and I often wonder why if it's such a great amp, everyone is trying to get rid of them?

Must be the economy I guess? Or perhaps in an effort to upgrade and since it's an 800 sellers market they're getting in on that action? I think maybe both, but really probably more the latter.

It's the same here, 800's everywhere and boy, you're right, they're asking a lot for them, but I don't think they're getting what they want for them because folks see that and figure 'I can get a new super smasher multi channel overdrive screamer killer' for just a little more or for the same price and off they go!

Now around here, the 900's are more widely coveted and in service because of the fact that they can attain usable levels of saturation at acceptable decibel levels which is a huge thing for any gigging musician, whereas the 800 guys are mostly at home pleasing themselves with the monstrous levels or they have to use an MT-2, TS9, DS-1 or what have you in order to achieve any kind of decent distortion at a level acceptable to the club owners, which already means that the tone is thereby affected and once again both amps are more or less once again on equal footing because one pro/con cancels the other and vice versa.

So for my 2 cent rant here, I am very skeptical that the asking prices on ebay determine the true value, fundamentally speaking, in terms of actual club or home use of any given amp or instrument, I just think at this point it's the rave because of a number of reasons, some valid, some hype but trust me the sellers are aware of this and prey on that fact.

I like them both for very different reasons, one as a collector and trader has as you said a higher market value, thereby increasing profit potential if I encounter the right deal, where as a player, I like the 900 (SLX) more.

HOT TUBES 70 · 11-17-2008, 05:26 PM

Does anyone know the production numbers of the JCM 900 SLX ????

sojatriani · 11-17-2008, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RED4100

i have a JCM800 2203 and a JCM900 4100, they both kick ass. the 900 has better features and the 800 has no diode distortion but they are both great amps, and as far as proving your point and where did the 800's go? they are still a main gigging amp seen on big and small stages all over the world. some people like the 800 some like the 900, but to the people who know, the JCM900 line is the least wanted of the marshall line by collectors. and a jcm800 2203 is getting more on ebay than a jcm900 4100 by almost double, id say that speaks pretty loud.

Doesn't mean a thing, I have had both and I kept the 900 because the 800 was boring. What "collectors" pay or what anyone pays means nothing about how good the amp is, the 2203 is WAAAYYY overrated, read my post about trying to actually GIG with one. And I haven't seen a JCM800 in a LOOOONNNGGG time (sans Zakk and Kerry).

No one will ever convince me the 2203 is that good of an amp, having owned, giged and maintained one, they are average at best. Why settle for a 2203 when there are better amps for half the price??? Because people pay more for hype than they do for substance. That is why amongst my friends and fellow players the 900 is the choice, substance before hype.

steelhorse · 11-17-2008, 08:48 PM

I already ranted in my previous post soj about how I feel about the 2 different amps but what baffles me even more not as an argument to this debate, but in general, if Zakk and KK have modded to the hilt signature versions of the 2203, then why do they have to add overdrive pedals (signature versions of course) to the mix?

It makes me wonder if this is about marketing or really about better tone or??

Also, it was a complete marketing ploy on Marshall's part to limit the production of Zakk heads. Those should have been made as readily available as the KK heads are today imo.

I understand the reason for limited production of the RR and JH heads because IIRC they are both actual clones of the originals and because there's estate issues involved I imagine. Zakk isn't in that category.

end rant

sojatriani · 11-17-2008, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steelhorse

I already ranted in my previous post soj about how I feel about the 2 different amps but what baffles me even more not as an argument to this debate, but in general, if Zakk and KK have modded to the hilt signature versions of the 2203, then why do they have to add overdrive pedals (signature versions of course) to the mix?

It makes me wonder if this is about marketing or really about better tone or??

Also, it was a complete marketing ploy on Marshall's part to limit the production of Zakk heads. Those should have been made as readily available as the KK heads are today imo.

I understand the reason for limited production of the RR and JH heads because IIRC they are both actual clones of the originals and because there's estate issues involved I imagine. Zakk isn't in that category.

end rant

+1

stock_hippie · 11-17-2008, 11:29 PM

id go for either one, JCM 800 or JCM 900!!!need a liTTle more clean so i guess that be the 900...but ID take either ...master of cool!!

HOT TUBES 70 · 11-22-2008, 12:29 PM

Of the amps i have played , the modded 800 2203 , sill wins . IMO

stock_hippie · 11-22-2008, 12:49 PM

HOTTUBES....find DAT Vintage modern and give us DA FEEDBACK...i gottA know what you think OF DA VM!!!!!!LOLOILOLOLOLOLOLOL

11-16-2008, 05:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
HOT TUBES 70 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SASKATOON Posts: 1,675	900 stock or a 800 modded ?? this is a interesting debate that needs some new opinions ..

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wareagle Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: new york Posts: 323	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? WOW, we seriously disagree there. i think the 800 is loads better then the 900, tone wise. not versatlity wise. 2000's and 900's just have well not natural distortion while the 800 i think has the most natural distortion, and sounds the best.

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kdickinson Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 104	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? I'm not sure about that, JCM-800 I'm almost 100% sure out sold the JCM-900 models. Sound of the 80's I guess big hair, big guitar sound all with JCM 800's

11-16-2008, 09:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
HOT TUBES 70 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SASKATOON Posts: 1,675	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? you can still hear that same type tone on a ton of new music. i started this thread in order to get some other players opinions , i just want to sit back and read some comments , but i had to get in on this one.

11-16-2008, 09:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,888	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? Kind of moot anyway with the new 'kid' on the block (vm) __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

11-16-2008, 09:31 PM	#8 (permalink)
alerich Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 21	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? At least replace the wimpy OT in the stock 900 and make it a fair fight. __________________ Marshall Amplifiers. A million guitar players can't be wrong.

11-16-2008, 09:34 PM	#9 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,888	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? heh if all we're after is volume I suppose it would need to be done but how many of us are playing in stadiums? Besides that's why they mike amps or run them through the PA. __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

11-16-2008, 09:40 PM	#11 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,888	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? Dude you forgot the Boogies! __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

11-16-2008, 09:50 PM	#13 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,888	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? I'd get one again, but I'd attenuate it. I probably won't unless I somehow fall into one or trade for one because all my future monies are being invested into more recording gear and another VM at least. __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

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HOT TUBES 70 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SASKATOON Posts: 1,675	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? I Love It But I Need To Hear More! Thanks To All !

11-16-2008, 10:59 PM	#16 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,888	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? A VM in action: YouTube - Somebody Get Me A Doctor __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

11-16-2008, 11:11 PM	#18 (permalink)
HOT TUBES 70 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SASKATOON Posts: 1,675	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? The Truth Is I'm Such A Marshall Fan , I Think They Are All Awsome !! I Do Love Reading Everyones Comments Thats For Sure !!! The Bottom Line..............they Are All Marshalls , They Are All Great Amps !!! God Bless Jim !

11-16-2008, 11:16 PM	#19 (permalink)
wareagle Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: new york Posts: 323	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? ye id just buy a good attenuator, and anyway, if your playing msg, you should have the money to get a boogie or a plexi or somthing.

11-17-2008, 12:19 AM	#20 (permalink)
HOT TUBES 70 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SASKATOON Posts: 1,675	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? STEELHORSE.. your utube link of "somebody get me a doctor" if thats a VM i'm hooked already , great tone , (and he's a pretty good player)

11-17-2008, 12:23 AM	#21 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,888	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? He was able to get that brown sound for sure but I've also been able to nail that tone with the VM. __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

11-17-2008, 01:03 AM	#22 (permalink)
RED4100 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Jose CA Posts: 61	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? i have a JCM800 2203 and a JCM900 4100, they both kick ass. the 900 has better features and the 800 has no diode distortion but they are both great amps, and as far as proving your point and where did the 800's go? they are still a main gigging amp seen on big and small stages all over the world. some people like the 800 some like the 900, but to the people who know, the JCM900 line is the least wanted of the marshall line by collectors. and a jcm800 2203 is getting more on ebay than a jcm900 4100 by almost double, id say that speaks pretty loud.

11-17-2008, 01:18 AM	#23 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,888	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? Yeah I see what you are saying especially in the lower 48 it seems the 800's are flying off the shelves and home studio stands and I often wonder why if it's such a great amp, everyone is trying to get rid of them? Must be the economy I guess? Or perhaps in an effort to upgrade and since it's an 800 sellers market they're getting in on that action? I think maybe both, but really probably more the latter. It's the same here, 800's everywhere and boy, you're right, they're asking a lot for them, but I don't think they're getting what they want for them because folks see that and figure 'I can get a new super smasher multi channel overdrive screamer killer' for just a little more or for the same price and off they go! Now around here, the 900's are more widely coveted and in service because of the fact that they can attain usable levels of saturation at acceptable decibel levels which is a huge thing for any gigging musician, whereas the 800 guys are mostly at home pleasing themselves with the monstrous levels or they have to use an MT-2, TS9, DS-1 or what have you in order to achieve any kind of decent distortion at a level acceptable to the club owners, which already means that the tone is thereby affected and once again both amps are more or less once again on equal footing because one pro/con cancels the other and vice versa. So for my 2 cent rant here, I am very skeptical that the asking prices on ebay determine the true value, fundamentally speaking, in terms of actual club or home use of any given amp or instrument, I just think at this point it's the rave because of a number of reasons, some valid, some hype but trust me the sellers are aware of this and prey on that fact. I like them both for very different reasons, one as a collector and trader has as you said a higher market value, thereby increasing profit potential if I encounter the right deal, where as a player, I like the 900 (SLX) more. __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

11-17-2008, 05:26 PM	#24 (permalink)
HOT TUBES 70 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SASKATOON Posts: 1,675	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? Does anyone know the production numbers of the JCM 900 SLX ????

11-17-2008, 08:48 PM	#26 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,888	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? I already ranted in my previous post soj about how I feel about the 2 different amps but what baffles me even more not as an argument to this debate, but in general, if Zakk and KK have modded to the hilt signature versions of the 2203, then why do they have to add overdrive pedals (signature versions of course) to the mix? It makes me wonder if this is about marketing or really about better tone or?? Also, it was a complete marketing ploy on Marshall's part to limit the production of Zakk heads. Those should have been made as readily available as the KK heads are today imo. I understand the reason for limited production of the RR and JH heads because IIRC they are both actual clones of the originals and because there's estate issues involved I imagine. Zakk isn't in that category. end rant __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

11-17-2008, 11:29 PM	#28 (permalink)
stock_hippie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 626	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? id go for either one, JCM 800 or JCM 900!!!need a liTTle more clean so i guess that be the 900...but ID take either ...master of cool!!

11-22-2008, 12:29 PM	#29 (permalink)
HOT TUBES 70 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SASKATOON Posts: 1,675	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? Of the amps i have played , the modded 800 2203 , sill wins . IMO

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stock_hippie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 626	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? HOTTUBES....find DAT Vintage modern and give us DA FEEDBACK...i gottA know what you think OF DA VM!!!!!!LOLOILOLOLOLOLOLOL

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