900 stock or a 800 modded ?? - Page 2

Eag · 11-22-2008, 12:53 PM

My take on this debate is simple. I think the JMP 2203 blows away both the 800s and 900s. My JCM800 sounds like a nervous chihuahua next to my old JMP. I actually never understood why 800s are more popular than JMPs.

If I were to go out and purchase a new Marshall today, it would be a 100w VM head. Oooooh....that just made me think of something for a new thread.....

HOT TUBES 70 · 11-22-2008, 01:11 PM

Trust Me ................ A S A P !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eag · 11-22-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

Trust Me ................ A S A P !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe you! I had a 2266 combo here for a week or so, and I played it enough to break in the speakers LOL I couldn't stop playing. I had just added a JCM800 combo to my collection and could not afford a VM at the time. I almost wish I had discovered the VM first.

stock_hippie · 11-22-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Eag

I believe you! I had a 2266 combo here for a week or so, and I played it enough to break in the speakers LOL I couldn't stop playing. I had just added a JCM800 combo to my collection and could not afford a VM at the time. I almost wish I had discovered the VM first.

VM...I LIKEE...i could even live with DA PURPLE!!!byw...what were they thinking when they mADE it purple!!!!lolololol

steelhorse · 11-22-2008, 03:35 PM

It's a subtle purple though, not an obnoxious in your face kind of purple. It's actually done tastefully imo.

steelhorse · 11-22-2008, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

Of the amps i have played , the modded 800 2203 , sill wins . IMO

That's the key word there: "modded"

And no 2 modded amps sound alike either which is good and ?

thrashforlife95 · 02-10-2009, 05:43 PM

900 stock, i think stock is the way to go, less chances of problems. That is just my prefrence.

V-man · 02-10-2009, 05:53 PM

I would suggest a 900 stock for the simple fact that you can get in on one cheaper. Like it? You're out $650 and ahead of the game. Don't like it? you can mod it for a few bucks more or get back what you paid and apply the difference to an 800 with the benefit of wisdom.

WrenchDevil6 · 02-10-2009, 05:58 PM

900 SL-X. No need for a mod. While the 800 is pure volume, it just doesn't get the richness that the SL-X gets. Don't get me wrong, the 800 has its place, but have you ever heard someone run straight into an 800 and get an acceptable sound? Everyone I've ever heard or seen has to run OD and EQ to get the throaty/ballsy hammer blows from the 800's. The SL-X just needs a guitar and someone to play it. It has everything onboard to rumble the gates of hell. Thick, meaty, grumbling, anger machine, that cleans up and gets an honest FAT Texas blues sound that is soooo damned sweet.

SL-X FTW!

HOT TUBES 70 · 02-11-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by WrenchDevil6

900 SL-X. No need for a mod. While the 800 is pure volume, it just doesn't get the richness that the SL-X gets. Don't get me wrong, the 800 has its place, but have you ever heard someone run straight into an 800 and get an acceptable sound? Everyone I've ever heard or seen has to run OD and EQ to get the throaty/ballsy hammer blows from the 800's. The SL-X just needs a guitar and someone to play it. It has everything onboard to rumble the gates of hell. Thick, meaty, grumbling, anger machine, that cleans up and gets an honest FAT Texas blues sound that is soooo damned sweet.

SL-X FTW!

my 2210 800 was a great amp , tons of gain and good tone , i ran no
o/d or dist pedals with it , just alot of master volume , one of the best
sounding marshalls that i have heard . a few years ago guitar player
mag ran a special edition that was all about marshall amps , the 2210
ran #6 on "the most desireable" marshall amps ever made , the 900 series
amps were not on the top or mentioned .

steelhorse · 02-11-2009, 03:41 PM

The 2210 is a decent amp but for my money the SLX-2100 is a better, more consistent amp all the way around. The 2210's I've played thru, well, let's just say that they were all over the board quite literally.

I got nothing but love for ya Tubes but the 'most desirable' rating doesn't mean 'better', in fact at this point I bet the SLX series is crawling right up that chart now that players are re-discovering it or discovering it for the first time.

I recall when I played thru my first SLX, I was floored. I was very skeptical going into the studio to check it out because I'd heard nothing but poor reviews with the 900 series, but the guys kept telling me the DR is the one that has earned the bad rap but the SLX's were different animals altogether and they were right.

American Viking · 02-11-2009, 04:38 PM

lol, soj you're super biased on this subject!

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I like the 800's. I've got two of them, the 900 cannot touch the 2204 if you're playing in a punk rock band (Motorhead, Zeke, Supersuckers). The 2203's can handle a lot more headroom than any 900 too if they're loaded with 6550's or KT88's. The 900's have their benefits but I find their distortion too soft, even though it's higher gain it doesn't have the same meat and potatoes of an 800. Two totally different beasts.

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Originally Posted by steelhorse

if Zakk and KK have modded to the hilt signature versions of the 2203, then why do they have to add overdrive pedals (signature versions of course) to the mix?

I think there's nothing wrong with adding a little shape or personality to your tone. You're more inept to do so on a JMP or an 800 as to where I don't think a 900 reacts too well when you add overdrive or distortion too it's already high driven end.
I play my 2203 for metal and have a couple boxes in front of it, the 2204 I use with no frills but a Les Paul.
The main thing in my opinion is you crank an 800 until it's balls out, and when you play a 900 you don't have to have that wide open sound to get a heavy distortion. I think style of music plays more of a roll than anything else. Out of every show I've seen since I was really paying attention to the gear (atleast 6 years,punk,rock,blackmetal,deathmetal) I've seen not one 900. Swear to Satan!

I like them both anyway but for far different applications.

American Viking · 02-11-2009, 04:39 PM

both of them kick the shit out of a DSL/TSL

HOT TUBES 70 · 02-11-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by steelhorse

The 2210 is a decent amp but for my money the SLX-2100 is a better, more consistent amp all the way around. The 2210's I've played thru, well, let's just say that they were all over the board quite literally.

I got nothing but love for ya Tubes but the 'most desirable' rating doesn't mean 'better', in fact at this point I bet the SLX series is crawling right up that chart now that players are re-discovering it or discovering it for the first time.

I recall when I played thru my first SLX, I was floored. I was very skeptical going into the studio to check it out because I'd heard nothing but poor reviews with the 900 series, but the guys kept telling me the DR is the one that has earned the bad rap but the SLX's were different animals altogether and they were right.

i guess this is where we differ in our opinions , now.....you know that i have
never played on a SLX , they might be the flag ship of the 900 chassis , of all
the 900's that i played , they would not touch my old 2210 for tone and real
tube warmth etc.... yes you had to turn them up loud to get them to sound
good yada yada yada !!!! but when you got them there ...its a place MOST
900's can't go . there is a reason so many touring guitarist are still using
800's or an amp that was modeled after that sound etc. etc . my experience
with the 800 is they are great amps , they don't come sounding good , they
have to be worked at etc. they were the benchmark of amps in the 80's .

trust me i would jump at the chance to crank up a 900 SLX , but they just
don't exist in these parts . i do believe you that they are a killer amp , but
i must say the JCM 800 amps have got my respect.

WrenchDevil6 · 02-11-2009, 08:47 PM

I hate that the SL-X has a 900 label on it.

People who haven't the slightest idea lump it in with the rest of the 900's like they know what they're talking about.

Shawn Fate · 02-11-2009, 09:00 PM

I can do a slx/jcm800 compare video this weekend.

WrenchDevil6 · 02-11-2009, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawn Fate

I can do a slx/jcm800 compare video this weekend.

The thing that people have no clue about is that the SL-X is, for all intents and purposes, a hot-rodded 800. The SL-X beats the 800 hands down when it comes to gain and growl. Don't get me wrong, as I think I've said before, the 2203 is awesome w/effects and EQ out front and in the loop, but the SL-X doesn't need anything but room to breathe, and it's breathing brimstone when it does.

HOT TUBES 70 · 02-11-2009, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WrenchDevil6

The thing that people have no clue about is that the SL-X is, for all intents and purposes, a hot-rodded 800. The SL-X beats the 800 hands down when it comes to gain and growl. Don't get me wrong, as I think I've said before, the 2203 is awesome w/effects and EQ out front and in the loop, but the SL-X doesn't need anything but room to breathe, and it's breathing brimstone when it does.

and i want all to know that i'm not tying to beat up on the SLX or any other
900 , but as a whole the 900 were not as sought after like the 800's were,
i'm sure that they have there place in rock / metal etc , we can't hate it
that bad ...........it's a MARSHALL !!!!!!!

Shawn Fate · 02-11-2009, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WrenchDevil6

The thing that people have no clue about is that the SL-X is, for all intents and purposes, a hot-rodded 800. The SL-X beats the 800 hands down when it comes to gain and growl. Don't get me wrong, as I think I've said before, the 2203 is awesome w/effects and EQ out front and in the loop, but the SL-X doesn't need anything but room to breathe, and it's breathing brimstone when it does.

Let me rephrase that..
I'll do a SLX/2203KK compare vid this weekend.

Its pretty much a modded 800 i guess, I am curious to hear how they will sound side by side.

WrenchDevil6 · 02-11-2009, 11:06 PM

I'm betting that's going to be a similar sound. Can't wait to hear it, as I've been gassing for a 2203KK since they came out.

Michael RT · 02-12-2009, 12:12 AM

I own a 2203kk Its the best head i've ever owned .......i love the gain it has.....kt88 is the best tube I have ever heard imo.

HOT TUBES 70 · 02-12-2009, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael RT

I own a 2203kk Its the best head i've ever owned .......i love the gain it has.....kt88 is the best tube I have ever heard imo.

i have played thru one , and it did rock for sure !!!

AllSheWrote · 11-13-2009, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by wareagle

WOW, we seriously disagree there. i think the 800 is loads better then the 900, tone wise. not versatlity wise. 2000's and 900's just have well not natural distortion while the 800 i think has the most natural distortion, and sounds the best.

you just took the words right out of my mouth!
i would take a stock 800 over a modded 900 actually...unless the mod seriously changed the tone of that 900...i don't like any 900's that i've ever heard...i will say though, i play southern metal...i'm sure for some styles, a 900 probably sounds great...and yes, it's way more versatile..but for "me", the 800s own the 900's...and my modded 800 is absolute heaven!

AllSheWrote · 11-13-2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by American Viking

lol, soj you're super biased on this subject!

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I like the 800's. I've got two of them, the 900 cannot touch the 2204 if you're playing in a punk rock band (Motorhead, Zeke, Supersuckers). The 2203's can handle a lot more headroom than any 900 too if they're loaded with 6550's or KT88's. The 900's have their benefits but I find their distortion too soft, even though it's higher gain it doesn't have the same meat and potatoes of an 800. Two totally different beasts.

I think there's nothing wrong with adding a little shape or personality to your tone. You're more inept to do so on a JMP or an 800 as to where I don't think a 900 reacts too well when you add overdrive or distortion too it's already high driven end.
I play my 2203 for metal and have a couple boxes in front of it, the 2204 I use with no frills but a Les Paul.
The main thing in my opinion is you crank an 800 until it's balls out, and when you play a 900 you don't have to have that wide open sound to get a heavy distortion. I think style of music plays more of a roll than anything else. Out of every show I've seen since I was really paying attention to the gear (atleast 6 years,punk,rock,blackmetal,deathmetal) I've seen not one 900. Swear to Satan!

I like them both anyway but for far different applications.

i hear alot of people talking about running a tube screamer or other types of overdrive pedals in front and whatnot...not saying that's a bad idea because LOTS of people do it...i have an original tube screamer that i got for Xmas when i was 12..still works..but i don't use it...my amp has SO much balls, there's really no reason to add something else to it......more power to those that do though..it obviously does the trick for alot of people out there

11-22-2008, 12:53 PM	#31 (permalink)
Eag Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 342	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? My take on this debate is simple. I think the JMP 2203 blows away both the 800s and 900s. My JCM800 sounds like a nervous chihuahua next to my old JMP. I actually never understood why 800s are more popular than JMPs. If I were to go out and purchase a new Marshall today, it would be a 100w VM head. Oooooh....that just made me think of something for a new thread.....

11-22-2008, 01:11 PM	#32 (permalink)
HOT TUBES 70 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SASKATOON Posts: 1,675	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? Trust Me ................ A S A P !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

11-22-2008, 03:35 PM	#35 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,888	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? It's a subtle purple though, not an obnoxious in your face kind of purple. It's actually done tastefully imo. __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

02-10-2009, 05:43 PM	#37 (permalink)
thrashforlife95 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 115	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? 900 stock, i think stock is the way to go, less chances of problems. That is just my prefrence. __________________ jcm 2000 tsl122 07 ibanez rg 350 dx 08 yahmaha fg720s 09 lespaul studio

02-10-2009, 05:53 PM	#38 (permalink)
V-man Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 189	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? I would suggest a 900 stock for the simple fact that you can get in on one cheaper. Like it? You're out $650 and ahead of the game. Don't like it? you can mod it for a few bucks more or get back what you paid and apply the difference to an 800 with the benefit of wisdom. __________________ Gibson: '88' Explorer 90, Flying Vs - '02' V-Factor, '06' RI, '07' RI Jackson: '92' Rhoads Tribute, '92' Rhoads PCS, '02' KV2 '92' ESP/Hill King V '04' Epiphone Goth V '81' Marshall 1992 '92' Marshall 4100 '97' Crate Blue Voodoo BV-60 Combo

02-10-2009, 05:58 PM	#39 (permalink)
WrenchDevil6 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 274	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? 900 SL-X. No need for a mod. While the 800 is pure volume, it just doesn't get the richness that the SL-X gets. Don't get me wrong, the 800 has its place, but have you ever heard someone run straight into an 800 and get an acceptable sound? Everyone I've ever heard or seen has to run OD and EQ to get the throaty/ballsy hammer blows from the 800's. The SL-X just needs a guitar and someone to play it. It has everything onboard to rumble the gates of hell. Thick, meaty, grumbling, anger machine, that cleans up and gets an honest FAT Texas blues sound that is soooo damned sweet. SL-X FTW!

02-11-2009, 03:41 PM	#41 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,888	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? The 2210 is a decent amp but for my money the SLX-2100 is a better, more consistent amp all the way around. The 2210's I've played thru, well, let's just say that they were all over the board quite literally. I got nothing but love for ya Tubes but the 'most desirable' rating doesn't mean 'better', in fact at this point I bet the SLX series is crawling right up that chart now that players are re-discovering it or discovering it for the first time. I recall when I played thru my first SLX, I was floored. I was very skeptical going into the studio to check it out because I'd heard nothing but poor reviews with the 900 series, but the guys kept telling me the DR is the one that has earned the bad rap but the SLX's were different animals altogether and they were right. __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

02-11-2009, 04:39 PM	#43 (permalink)
American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 1,510	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? both of them kick the shit out of a DSL/TSL __________________ -I'd rather be a good liver than have one...

02-11-2009, 08:47 PM	#45 (permalink)
WrenchDevil6 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 274	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? I hate that the SL-X has a 900 label on it. People who haven't the slightest idea lump it in with the rest of the 900's like they know what they're talking about.

02-11-2009, 09:00 PM	#46 (permalink)
Shawn Fate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 458	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? I can do a slx/jcm800 compare video this weekend.

02-11-2009, 11:06 PM	#50 (permalink)
WrenchDevil6 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 274	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? I'm betting that's going to be a similar sound. Can't wait to hear it, as I've been gassing for a 2203KK since they came out.

02-12-2009, 12:12 AM	#51 (permalink)
Michael RT Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 7	Re: 900 stock or a 800 modded ?? I own a 2203kk Its the best head i've ever owned .......i love the gain it has.....kt88 is the best tube I have ever heard imo.

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