I'm ready to sell it all this bullshit & start over

mike_pittsburgh · 04-11-2011, 12:21 PM

I'm looking for some opinions from you grizzled tone masters to get rid of my shit gear and pick up something that will serve me well the rest of my miserible life.

I'm looking for an amp that can do early Allman Bro's to Jethro Tull type distortion.

I think my dream rig would be a plexi, a twin and an a/b box, but that is way too much amp for my needs.

Maybe if you guys can suggest an amp to pair up with my Fender blues jr that would cover the overdrive tones that I'm looking for, that would be cool.

I play mostly at pussy volumes, like 90% of the time.

My budget would be $1,000 or under.
Any amp suggestions would be appreciated.

charveldan · 04-11-2011, 12:29 PM

You can pick up a used DSL 50 watt for $6 to & $800 but they're not pussy amps.

They have a nice clean channel.

Ydna · 04-11-2011, 12:34 PM

http://www.ceriatone.com/productSubP...assCabinet.htm

Duane Allman used a 1968 50 watt plexi. Bass specs. That one, completely assembled with a head cabinet is $895 plus $ for shipping 172. If you have a cabinet, and if you can push $1,000 a little bit, that would be the way to go. You can have them put a master volume in it so you can get it at any volume you like, it wont sound fantastic, but when you crank it up with a nice Les Paul, that'll be the tone.

The other thing you could look at for quiet volumes would be the new class 5. It wont nail it perfectly, but it would be quiet, and sound good. Throw a few pedals in front of it. Would sound really good.

avivoni · 04-11-2011, 12:58 PM

get yourself an early 80's 4010 combo or a late 70's jmp combo and you will never look back

these babies got tone!

JayCM800 · 04-11-2011, 01:39 PM

So get a Class 5! "mini-plexi"

a/b/y box and your Blues Jr.

That should do it!

ynot · 04-11-2011, 01:43 PM

I'd say a used 1974x but that would probably still be over your budget & most likely too loud.But it would get you what you want,no need for the twin.Maybe a clone/kit with power scaling or MV though.I haven't played a Class 5 but it's on my to do list for a home use amp.

DirtySteve · 04-11-2011, 01:55 PM

1 more vote for the Class 5 here. At least try one out.

rockinr0ll · 04-11-2011, 02:10 PM

A Plexi or Twin is way too much amp. The Fender Hot Rod Series is really good. I'm getting one and I own a Marshall '72 Lead 50 watter.

Ydna · 04-11-2011, 02:32 PM

Well, maybe a plexi will inspire him to find more oppurtunities to crank.

There is no substitute for a nice plexi if that is the sound you want.

mike_pittsburgh · 04-11-2011, 03:16 PM

Wow guys, thanks for the quick replies.

I will look into all the suggestions you were good enough to provide.

Thanks!

DSL100 Dude · 04-11-2011, 03:19 PM

CLASS 5 FTW!!!!!

These little crank monsters have a ton of tone and will keep ya happy if your looking to jam without blowing out your ear drums.

NewReligion · 04-11-2011, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike_pittsburgh

I'm looking for some opinions from you grizzled tone masters to get rid of my shit gear and pick up something that will serve me well the rest of my miserible life.

I'm looking for an amp that can do early Allman Bro's to Jethro Tull type distortion.

I think my dream rig would be a plexi, a twin and an a/b box, but that is way too much amp for my needs.

Maybe if you guys can suggest an amp to pair up with my Fender blues jr that would cover the overdrive tones that I'm looking for, that would be cool.

I play mostly at pussy volumes, like 90% of the time.

My budget would be $1,000 or under.
Any amp suggestions would be appreciated.

Sounds like you are on the right track Mike.

I suggest a Re-Issue. 1987X (50 watt small box) Marshall with an effects loop.

The effects loop is a must so that you can run a old Alesis/Yamaha/Lexicon etc.. reverb multi effect processor. The great thing is that you can use the Input/Output volumes of the processor to "attenuate" the volume. That is to say CRANK the amp for tone and set the volume level with the processor. This works very well. Then add additional OD with a pedal if you wish.

There will be those that say no it will cause artifacts "tone suck" etc... Seriously, that is BS. I use 100 watt half stacks at conversation levels by using this method and have done so for over 25 years. If you have any additional questions just send me a PM. I bought my 2007 1987X from used guitar center .com for $800 as a 10 out of 10.

Good luck and don't settle for less. By this method you WILL achieve studio quality tones in all of your live settings.

Think outside of the box!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

David

peterichardz · 04-11-2011, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockinr0ll

A Plexi or Twin is way too much amp. The Fender Hot Rod Series is really good. I'm getting one and I own a Marshall '72 Lead 50 watter.

I have recently played thru 4 different Hot Rod Deluxes at jam nites and they were ALL junk unless you use a pedal board into the clean channel.

I can't get MY sound from pedals as I'm spoiled playing a Gibson straight into a JMP 2204 and the gain channel on the fenders is just BAD.

nedcronin · 04-11-2011, 08:28 PM

Agreed Pete! Those new Fender amps sure don't do it for me either. Thumbs Down!

Michael1987xl · 04-11-2011, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewReligion

....I suggest a Re-Issue. 1987X (50 watt small box) Marshall with an effects loop...

+ ten billion.

mike_pittsburgh · 04-11-2011, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewReligion

Sounds like you are on the right track Mike.

I suggest a Re-Issue. 1987X (50 watt small box) Marshall with an effects loop.

The effects loop is a must so that you can run a old Alesis/Yamaha/Lexicon etc.. reverb multi effect processor. The great thing is that you can use the Input/Output volumes of the processor to "attenuate" the volume. That is to say CRANK the amp for tone and set the volume level with the processor. This works very well. Then add additional OD with a pedal if you wish.

There will be those that say no it will cause artifacts "tone suck" etc... Seriously, that is BS. I use 100 watt half stacks at conversation levels by using this method and have done so for over 25 years. If you have any additional questions just send me a PM. I bought my 2007 1987X from used guitar center .com for $800 as a 10 out of 10.

Good luck and don't settle for less. By this method you WILL achieve studio quality tones in all of your live settings.

Think outside of the box!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

David

OMG, I thought I was full-o-shit.
I ran an old processor like this for years, until it fried on me. Literally, I mean it had smoke rolling out of it and sizzling. (It died a noble death, as a warrior should.)
In any case, it was an old DSP128 that only had one usable sound, reverb. It had the input and output volumes that you are talking about and I got very usable tones out of my POS 3203.
Guess that is why I kept that rig all these years?
Oh man, I'm jump'in on used gear postings now.
Thanks man!

wannabweiland · 04-12-2011, 08:08 AM

I'm going to get face-punched for this, but why not a Soldano Hot Rod 50? Warren Haynes has used Soldano stuff for Allman Bros forever. You can find 'em on craigslist for around $1000. Single channel, hi/low inputs, FX loop. Very cool. One of my favorite amps.

I would also like to +1 on the 1987x. Those are really sweet.

mike_pittsburgh · 04-12-2011, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike_pittsburgh

OMG, I thought I was full-o-shit.
I ran an old processor like this for years, until it fried on me. Literally, I mean it had smoke rolling out of it and sizzling. (It died a noble death, as a warrior should.)
In any case, it was an old DSP128 that only had one usable sound, reverb. It had the input and output volumes that you are talking about and I got very usable tones out of my POS 3203.
Guess that is why I kept that rig all these years?
Oh man, I'm jump'in on used gear postings now.
Thanks man!

OK, Guitar center lists two in the used gear for around $1,000.
One on the local craigslist, but it didn't have the fx loop. (Still $1,000)

So technically, your suggestion of a 1987x fits the requirements that I specified.

I'm gonna go play a class 5 first. (cuz I'm a cheap bastard.) And because I don't have the chance to play a 1987x in the near future. I'll keep my eyes open, but I NEVER buy without playing first. (lesson learned from historic GAS.)

Regarding the Soldano, I never thought Warren got Dickey's tone? Maybe it's just me, but Warran's tone is much raunchier, with Dickey's more sweet and singing. Only talking about tone here. Warren is a great player and I was always a fan of gov't mule. (even when he played a strat)

BTW, you guys are great. Thanks for all the ideas!

dave999z · 04-12-2011, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike_pittsburgh

I'm looking for some opinions from you grizzled tone masters to get rid of my shit gear and pick up something that will serve me well the rest of my miserible life.

I'm looking for an amp that can do early Allman Bro's to Jethro Tull type distortion.

I think my dream rig would be a plexi, a twin and an a/b box, but that is way too much amp for my needs.

Maybe if you guys can suggest an amp to pair up with my Fender blues jr that would cover the overdrive tones that I'm looking for, that would be cool.

I play mostly at pussy volumes, like 90% of the time.

My budget would be $1,000 or under.
Any amp suggestions would be appreciated.

I have a blues jr. in my living room as a low volume practice amp. I have a tubscreamer (ts-808 reissue) in front of it to get overdriven tones at low volume. And I really like it. It's nothing like my Marshall rig, but for practicing/writing, it's great. I disagree with the bashing on the new Fender amps. I paid $450 for my blues jr. iii (new), plus like $170 for the tubescreamer, and the tone out of that pair is phenomenal for the price.

mike_pittsburgh · 04-26-2011, 12:25 PM

Hi all,
Been scanning local adds and saw a 1987x for sale. Contacted the guy and he thought the amp was already sold. Oddly he said that it did not have a "tone sucking" fx loop. Did they make such a reissue?

BTW, looks like the sale fell thru as he relisted for $950 (was $999).
sale-9dgs3-2340109347@craigslist.org
I would hate to spring for my dream amp without the "tone sucking" fx loop, as this was the means I wanted to use to tame the volume. (instead of a "tone sucking" attenuator.)

What reissue is this and do you guys think it's worth $950?

IbanezMark · 04-26-2011, 12:27 PM

The 1987X is the reissue without a loop, the 1987XL has a loop.

Bieling3 · 04-26-2011, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike_pittsburgh

Hi all,
Been scanning local adds and saw a 1987x for sale. Contacted the guy and he thought the amp was already sold. Oddly he said that it did not have a "tone sucking" fx loop. Did they make such a reissue?

BTW, looks like the sale fell thru as he relisted for $950 (was $999).
sale-9dgs3-2340109347@craigslist.org
I would hate to spring for my dream amp without the "tone sucking" fx loop, as this was the means I wanted to use to tame the volume. (instead of a "tone sucking" attenuator.)

What reissue is this and do you guys think it's worth $950?

Ya, that's a decent price:

1987x musical instruments : craigslist eBay kijiji mash : United States

Get it and throw in a zero loss loop...

Michael1987xl · 04-26-2011, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewReligion

Sounds like you are on the right track Mike.

I suggest a Re-Issue. 1987X (50 watt small box) Marshall with an effects loop.

The effects loop is a must so that you can run a old Alesis/Yamaha/Lexicon etc.. reverb multi effect processor. The great thing is that you can use the Input/Output volumes of the processor to "attenuate" the volume. That is to say CRANK the amp for tone and set the volume level with the processor. This works very well. Then add additional OD with a pedal if you wish.

There will be those that say no it will cause artifacts "tone suck" etc... Seriously, that is BS. I use 100 watt half stacks at conversation levels by using this method and have done so for over 25 years. If you have any additional questions just send me a PM. I bought my 2007 1987X from used guitar center .com for $800 as a 10 out of 10.

Good luck and don't settle for less. By this method you WILL achieve studio quality tones in all of your live settings.

Think outside of the box!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

David

What he said.

Alabama Thunderpussy · 04-27-2011, 06:59 AM

My vote goes to a Fender Bassman just for variety's sake. Everyone else seems to recommend the Plexi.

ynot · 04-27-2011, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alabama Thunderpussy

My vote goes to a Fender Bassman.

Got one,love it.but it ain't no plexi.There's a certain magic in that amp.

Alabama Thunderpussy · 04-27-2011, 07:08 AM

There's no magic. It's a Bassman circuit topology with different transformers and a few component value changes. People do that much to a DSL.

ynot · 04-27-2011, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alabama Thunderpussy

There's no magic. It's a Bassman circuit topology with different transformers and a few component value changes. People do that much to a DSL.

Wanna mod my bassman into a plexi combo for me then (seriously,not sarcasm)?

Alabama Thunderpussy · 04-27-2011, 07:24 AM

I totally would, but I'm going to be unfathomably busy starting the end of this month. I'm actually rushing to finish a job now.

PM Lane Sparber or Jon Wilder and see what they might be able to do for you.

ThePoppster · 04-27-2011, 08:04 AM

CLASS 5 ALL THE WAY!!!!

DSL100 Dude · 04-27-2011, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThePoppster

CLASS 5 ALL THE WAY!!!!

04-11-2011, 12:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
mike_pittsburgh Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: S.W. Pennsylvania Posts: 99	I'm ready to sell it all this bullshit & start over I'm looking for some opinions from you grizzled tone masters to get rid of my shit gear and pick up something that will serve me well the rest of my miserible life. I'm looking for an amp that can do early Allman Bro's to Jethro Tull type distortion. I think my dream rig would be a plexi, a twin and an a/b box, but that is way too much amp for my needs. Maybe if you guys can suggest an amp to pair up with my Fender blues jr that would cover the overdrive tones that I'm looking for, that would be cool. I play mostly at pussy volumes, like 90% of the time. My budget would be $1,000 or under. Any amp suggestions would be appreciated.

04-11-2011, 12:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
charveldan Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Somewhere with a Friedman Marshall & Les Paul. Posts: 2,719	Re: I'm ready to sell it all this bullshit & start over You can pick up a used DSL 50 watt for $6 to & $800 but they're not pussy amps. They have a nice clean channel. __________________ Marshall, Gibson, Fender, Charvel/Jackson. After the Firebird X, i'm quite convinced Henry Juszkiewicz is crazy. I endorse Laura & Valve Queen tubes and so should you. Member of the JMP Hall of Fame. Dave Friedman of RACKSYSTEMS is a genius. Friedman KS JMP:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS3PDNZOKMw

04-11-2011, 12:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
Ydna Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Livermore, CA Posts: 1,503	Re: I'm ready to sell it all this bullshit & start over http://www.ceriatone.com/productSubP...assCabinet.htm Duane Allman used a 1968 50 watt plexi. Bass specs. That one, completely assembled with a head cabinet is $895 plus $ for shipping 172. If you have a cabinet, and if you can push $1,000 a little bit, that would be the way to go. You can have them put a master volume in it so you can get it at any volume you like, it wont sound fantastic, but when you crank it up with a nice Les Paul, that'll be the tone. The other thing you could look at for quiet volumes would be the new class 5. It wont nail it perfectly, but it would be quiet, and sound good. Throw a few pedals in front of it. Would sound really good. __________________ Current Amps 1. 1963 Sano Supersonic 2. Fender Dual Showman 1990s 3. Jtm45/100 build finished. Future Amps 1. Lots of plexis. Vintage ones, home built, or Metropoulos. I don't care. 2. A few preCBS fenders.

04-11-2011, 12:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
avivoni Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,317	Re: I'm ready to sell it all this bullshit & start over get yourself an early 80's 4010 combo or a late 70's jmp combo and you will never look back these babies got tone!

04-11-2011, 01:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
JayCM800 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York, New York Posts: 4,281	Re: I'm ready to sell it all this bullshit & start over So get a Class 5! "mini-plexi" a/b/y box and your Blues Jr. That should do it! stretch90, DSL100 Dude, DirtySteve and 1 others like this.

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04-11-2011, 01:43 PM	#6 (permalink)
ynot Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 146	Re: I'm ready to sell it all this bullshit & start over I'd say a used 1974x but that would probably still be over your budget & most likely too loud.But it would get you what you want,no need for the twin.Maybe a clone/kit with power scaling or MV though.I haven't played a Class 5 but it's on my to do list for a home use amp. Lespaulnmarshall likes this. __________________ 1987x 6100 18 watt TMB Fender Bassman LTD JCM 900 1960 cab Avatar 2x12 Power Brake Bunch of Les Pauls

04-11-2011, 02:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
rockinr0ll Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,587	Re: I'm ready to sell it all this bullshit & start over A Plexi or Twin is way too much amp. The Fender Hot Rod Series is really good. I'm getting one and I own a Marshall '72 Lead 50 watter.

04-11-2011, 02:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
Ydna Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Livermore, CA Posts: 1,503	Re: I'm ready to sell it all this bullshit & start over Well, maybe a plexi will inspire him to find more oppurtunities to crank. There is no substitute for a nice plexi if that is the sound you want. __________________ Current Amps 1. 1963 Sano Supersonic 2. Fender Dual Showman 1990s 3. Jtm45/100 build finished. Future Amps 1. Lots of plexis. Vintage ones, home built, or Metropoulos. I don't care. 2. A few preCBS fenders.

04-11-2011, 03:16 PM	#10 (permalink)
mike_pittsburgh Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: S.W. Pennsylvania Posts: 99	Re: I'm ready to sell it all this bullshit & start over Wow guys, thanks for the quick replies. I will look into all the suggestions you were good enough to provide. Thanks!

04-11-2011, 03:19 PM	#11 (permalink)
DSL100 Dude Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 6,027	Re: I'm ready to sell it all this bullshit & start over CLASS 5 FTW!!!!! These little crank monsters have a ton of tone and will keep ya happy if your looking to jam without blowing out your ear drums. DirtySteve likes this.

04-11-2011, 08:28 PM	#14 (permalink)
nedcronin Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 1,445	Re: I'm ready to sell it all this bullshit & start over Agreed Pete! Those new Fender amps sure don't do it for me either. Thumbs Down! __________________ Check out my Marshall Amp Lovers facebook page if you facebook....click below Click Here if you love Marshalls! Come Join the TSL Tribe!

04-12-2011, 08:08 AM	#17 (permalink)
wannabweiland Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 25	Re: I'm ready to sell it all this bullshit & start over I'm going to get face-punched for this, but why not a Soldano Hot Rod 50? Warren Haynes has used Soldano stuff for Allman Bros forever. You can find 'em on craigslist for around $1000. Single channel, hi/low inputs, FX loop. Very cool. One of my favorite amps. I would also like to +1 on the 1987x. Those are really sweet.

04-26-2011, 12:25 PM	#20 (permalink)
mike_pittsburgh Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: S.W. Pennsylvania Posts: 99	Re: I'm ready to sell it all this bullshit & start over Hi all, Been scanning local adds and saw a 1987x for sale. Contacted the guy and he thought the amp was already sold. Oddly he said that it did not have a "tone sucking" fx loop. Did they make such a reissue? BTW, looks like the sale fell thru as he relisted for $950 (was $999). sale-9dgs3-2340109347@craigslist.org I would hate to spring for my dream amp without the "tone sucking" fx loop, as this was the means I wanted to use to tame the volume. (instead of a "tone sucking" attenuator.) What reissue is this and do you guys think it's worth $950?

04-26-2011, 12:27 PM	#21 (permalink)
IbanezMark Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ottawa, ON Posts: 7,093	Re: I'm ready to sell it all this bullshit & start over The 1987X is the reissue without a loop, the 1987XL has a loop. mike_pittsburgh likes this. __________________ Life is hard. It's even harder if you're stupid.

04-27-2011, 06:59 AM	#24 (permalink)
Alabama Thunderpussy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Northern CA Posts: 1,343	Re: I'm ready to sell it all this bullshit & start over My vote goes to a Fender Bassman just for variety's sake. Everyone else seems to recommend the Plexi.

04-27-2011, 07:08 AM	#26 (permalink)
Alabama Thunderpussy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Northern CA Posts: 1,343	Re: I'm ready to sell it all this bullshit & start over There's no magic. It's a Bassman circuit topology with different transformers and a few component value changes. People do that much to a DSL.

04-27-2011, 07:24 AM	#28 (permalink)
Alabama Thunderpussy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Northern CA Posts: 1,343	Re: I'm ready to sell it all this bullshit & start over I totally would, but I'm going to be unfathomably busy starting the end of this month. I'm actually rushing to finish a job now. PM Lane Sparber or Jon Wilder and see what they might be able to do for you.

04-27-2011, 08:04 AM	#29 (permalink)
ThePoppster Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, England. Posts: 36	Re: I'm ready to sell it all this bullshit & start over CLASS 5 ALL THE WAY!!!! IbanezMark likes this.

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