Help me choose!!

The_Rocker · 10-06-2008, 12:51 PM

So, I am a high gain rock / metal guitarist with a taste for heavy slow blues rock as well

I have the following amps at the moment:

Marshall MS4 Micro Stack (Yes i like to walk around the house whilst playing)
Marshall MG15CDR (First amp)
Marshall MG50DFX (Current amp I play through all the time)

I now want to go up- market if you like. I currently own 3 Epiphone les pauls, my favourite of the three pictured here:

Notice the Gibson Dirty Fingers pickup and brass knut. (Yes I am a John Sykes fan without the 3.5k needed for his Gibson sig LP.

But have no fear, a Gibson LP shall be in my hands before Xmas.

-----------------

So cutting to the chase, you get what sort of sound I am after (LP + Marshall =

)

I cant decide between the following four amp's, they will of course be accompanied by a 1960A or 1960AV 4x12 cab.

JVM 410H
JVM 210H
DSL 100
TSL 100

The thing that puts me off the DSL and TSL is the fact that they have no seperate Channel and master volume so I have no idea what these will sound like at low volumes whilst practicing. However, can someone shed some light on whether a PB-100 Power Brake would help out here?

The JVM's I am in love with, but which one would I want?

I WANT GAIN!!! I WANT GAIN!!!

Cheers

The_Rocker · 10-06-2008, 04:06 PM

Anyone? Surely someone here can help me out?

spikei · 10-06-2008, 04:13 PM

tsl 60 has master vol and gain and three channels, so i dont understand the question?

steelhorse · 10-06-2008, 06:35 PM

Me too I'm confused. The TSL's kick ass and have 3 totally separate channels which are totally footswitchable. I have both the TSL100 and the DSL100 and they're both awesome.

Unless you're planning on hitting the stage in the near future, I'd save my bucks, invest in a DSL or TSL combo and save toward getting a real deal Les Paul.

JVM 410's are extreme overkill for the house imo.

The_Rocker · 10-07-2008, 02:01 AM

Well I work full time so a les paul isn't far away anyway and as for a new amp, I am talking about buying one this Friday.

Has to be a half stack as I just want one.

Got any sound demo's of the TSL OR DSL?

steelhorse · 10-07-2008, 02:09 AM

There are tons of clips on youtube.

RachelMorgan · 10-07-2008, 05:06 AM

Let's put it this way, you can't have too much gain.... well you can but I mean you can't have too much gain on tap. I actually made some preamp valves freak out with gain once. It wasn't pretty. That said, if you can afford the JVM go for it. You'll have more gain on tap than the TSL. The other question is do you need 100 Watts or will 50 do the job. Remember 50 watts is 75% as loud as 100 watts. 10 watts is half as loud.

Here's the deal:

A JVM 205H will have the same features as a 210H but have 50 watts instead of 100 watts and costs around $1600.

Now add a new 212 cabinet with Vintage 30s, or a used 1960B from fleabay to it and you've hit $2000. Believe me for the average venue that's plenty. Oh FYI: the Line 6 412 cab that goes with their Spider Valves has four Celestion Vintage 30s and costs a lot less than the Marshall 1960A.

Now for your sanity and hearing for practicing at home you'll need something like a THD Hot Plate. I have one. I personally think they work better than the Power Brake and they're cheaper and lighter too. That'll run you about $300 more. Now add in a noise gate (I really wish the amp had a built in noise gate) llike a ISP Decimator G-string and you've added another $250. So by the time you're out the door you're up to near $3000.

I think the DSL heads are overpriced on ebay. The TSLs are more. You might as well spend a little more on the new JVM 205H.

Try out a lot of amps though. Try out the JVM, the DSL, the TSL, heck try out a Peavey 5150 II (or 6505+). See what you like.

steelhorse · 10-07-2008, 05:20 AM

I don't think the DSL or TSL's are over priced on ebay at all. I got my TSL for 850.00 shipped and it's only a year old.

I see deals on ebay all the time, but I'm thinking Rocker is from UK so he could probably score a decent deal over there presumably if that's the case.

Heck you want gain, why not go all out and get a modded out JCM 800?

May not have all the dials and knobs but if it's gain and power you want these babies have it from what I'm told.

Speaking of noise gate Rachel, that's another feature I like about my JSX, another amp a prospective amp buyer should look into for sure.

DragonSarc · 10-07-2008, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RachelMorgan

Let's put it this way, you can't have too much gain.... well you can but I mean you can't have too much gain on tap. I actually made some preamp valves freak out with gain once. It wasn't pretty. That said, if you can afford the JVM go for it. You'll have more gain on tap than the TSL. The other question is do you need 100 Watts or will 50 do the job. Remember 50 watts is 75% as loud as 100 watts. 10 watts is half as loud.

Here's the deal:

A JVM 205H will have the same features as a 210H but have 50 watts instead of 100 watts and costs around $1600.

Now add a new 212 cabinet with Vintage 30s, or a used 1960B from fleabay to it and you've hit $2000. Believe me for the average venue that's plenty. Oh FYI: the Line 6 412 cab that goes with their Spider Valves has four Celestion Vintage 30s and costs a lot less than the Marshall 1960A.

Now for your sanity and hearing for practicing at home you'll need something like a THD Hot Plate. I have one. I personally think they work better than the Power Brake and they're cheaper and lighter too. That'll run you about $300 more. Now add in a noise gate (I really wish the amp had a built in noise gate) llike a ISP Decimator G-string and you've added another $250. So by the time you're out the door you're up to near $3000.

I think the DSL heads are overpriced on ebay. The TSLs are more. You might as well spend a little more on the new JVM 205H.

Try out a lot of amps though. Try out the JVM, the DSL, the TSL, heck try out a Peavey 5150 II (or 6505+). See what you like.

+1 totally agree

The_Rocker · 10-07-2008, 02:41 PM

You are correct. I am in the UK.

I will only be buying new as I want the Marshal warranty.

I also want a 100w Head just for the fact that its a Marshall 100w head. Its a personal thing lol.

The JVM210H is like £35 less than the JVM410H so I think my best bet would be just to buy the JVM410H.

RachelMorgan · 10-07-2008, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Rocker

You are correct. I am in the UK.

I will only be buying new as I want the Marshal warranty.

I also want a 100w Head just for the fact that its a Marshall 100w head. Its a personal thing lol.

The JVM210H is like £35 less than the JVM410H so I think my best bet would be just to buy the JVM410H.

Cool. You get to benefit from great Marshall customer service. Something we don't stateside. Go for the 410H then. Pick up a used 1960A or B. The Powerbrake will probably cost less than a THD Hot Plate for you as well. Just make sure you get the ISP Decimator G-string -- you'll want it if you run your OD channels at higher than 10:00 on the gain.

And drop a NOS Telefunken 12AX7 in V1.

Also since you're UK, check out the Orange Thunderverb. I'd like to get a report back about it.

The_Rocker · 10-07-2008, 03:06 PM

Ok cheers, lets talk cabinets...

Would a 1960AV or AC be better than a standard 1960A?

I have heard a lot about the Celestion Vintage and Greenback's

I will be buying new of course.

And the powerbrake? Is it actually wortwhile? I have heard people say they can blow up or damage the amp???

steelhorse · 10-07-2008, 06:21 PM

The powerbrake or hotplate won't blow up your amp, completely safe. I prefer the hotplate. Just sounds better to me.

As for cabs or amps or gear, you really need to go into the shop(s) and try them out for yourself. Take a few of your guitars and put all the amps and cabs through the test.

That's REALLY the best way any of us can help you choose.

You have an idea of what you want but you could walk in and be greatly disappointed with the one you're expecting to buy.

It's happened to me in the past 30+ years I've been playing (yikes!) and when folks ask me what they should get I point a few things out:

1: if you buy cheap, it's gonna probably perform about the same as that, so spend wisely with the consideration that at some point you're either going to upgrade or give it up and need to sell it. Better equipment as you know usually sounds and performs better inspiring the player to play more. (fwiw, I don't believe this is an issue for you heh)

2: Never over spend. I've seen guys walk in all wide eyed plunk down some big coin as if they were already preparing for stardom only to get pennies on the dollar when they find out it isn't as easy as they thought. (hmmm...maybe this)

3: Bigger, more knobs, more this or that doesn't equal better. Have you seen some of the rigs the big time players made their name with? Shamelessly simple. Heck, EVH had 1 flippin' humbucker in a beat up old ratty guitar! Same with Jimi, even Zakk's amps don't have multiple channels. Pros like these can plug into a practice amp and sound great. (or this?)

4: More expensive, boutique, NOS, vintage doesn't equal better. (we all get fixated with this at some point if you play long enough)

and lastly, never buy into the hype or because your ego would be massaged by having the biggest baddest rig on the block, because those are only fleeting.

/end rant

good luck and have fun!

big dooley · 10-07-2008, 08:13 PM

if you want gain real cheap, strap on some serious gauge strings...
in a couple of years i went stepwise from .009 to .012 on a standard E-tuning...

needless to say, what that does to your tone

The_Rocker · 10-08-2008, 02:06 AM

Thanks for the advice. I must say I was originally put off by the amount of knobs and controls on the JVM410, but I want the amp for the sound and nothing else

I will go and try out a few cabs this coming weekend although the shops near me probly only stock the 1960A/B.

Also, can someone point me to this Hotplate thing from a UK shop?

steelhorse · 10-08-2008, 02:42 AM

If tone is what you're REALLY after then why not invest in a Silver Jubilee halfstack? Now THAT amp has tone.

The Vintage Modern is based on that amp to a degree and that amp has serious tone.

These are simpler amps in the sense that they don't all the bells and whistles that the JVM does but sure a lot less potential issues to deal with than even the DSL or TSL for that matter.

Amazing sounding amps. Slash is an example of a player who used a Jubilee and probably still does although I imagine he uses his signature line. He also uses VM's.

Check out youtube for Slash and the VM and Jubilee series. Now those amps especially the Silver Jubilee's are the shit.

silverjubilee

The_Rocker · 10-08-2008, 12:59 PM

Nice but I think thats a bit outta my price range lol...

I think I will be more than happy with a JVM410H because I am coming from an MG50DFX.

But just a simple question....

Would a 1960AC or AV sound better with the JVM410H than a standard 1960A?

Cheers

steelhorse · 10-08-2008, 01:11 PM

Depends on your ear. The C & V have more of a vintage tone and the standard slant cab is more of a modern type sounding cab to an extent.

If you're looking at a JVM410, you might find a Jubilee in the UK for about the same or less. I've seen them on here for about the same or less myself but they were all in the UK.

You got your mind set on the big bad lots of options thing and that's cool.

But I've played through a JVM (and most of the other heads for that matter except for the solid states and hybrids) and the Jubilee owns it imo when it comes to THE tone.

If I had to do it over again this past month I would have gotten the Vintage Modern instead of the DSL00, but who knew I'd wind up scoring a TSL100 for next to nothing?!

Again, do your shopping -yourself- in the shops with your guitars through the different cabs and heads because all we're doing here is offering you our opinions.

If you already know what you want you shouldn't need any of us to affirm that.

just saying...

The_Rocker · 10-08-2008, 03:43 PM

Ok, so I will have to go try some out...

But tbh im not a professional musician so I reckon a standard 1960A would make me a very happy lad

Now onto this Attenuator business...

Whats this HotPlate thing which is supposed to sound better then the PowerBrake?

RachelMorgan · 10-08-2008, 04:09 PM

The THD Hot Plate .... I've got one. You just need to make sure you match the impedence rating of the cabinet with the unit you get. So I THINK the 1960A is 16 ohms. The way you use it is you want power section saturation (this is before you get power section distortion which may or may not be all that pleasant depending upon the tubes). Saturation adds that fullness to the tone. Without that fullness you get fizzies.

I basically have my amp set the way I want and use this thing to adjust volume. At -4 dB and -8 dB it doesn't color tone. At -12 dB and -16+ dB you will notice a change in your tone due to the simple fact that you're not moving as much air with your speakers.

Your ears are more sensitive to mid-range, and at lower volumes you notice a drop in bass and treble. So if you're going to use bedroom levels you'll need to use an EQ or the thing has bass and treble boost switches.

I basically use this to allow me to use the JVM as a non-master volume amp. However it does not give you the free license to dime the MV and dime the preamp. Trust me loud is great, but don't overdo it. I run the channel volumes at around 6/10 with the MV 1 at 8 and MV 2 dimed. When I need to drop the volume low for stuff like recording or night I'll attenuate at -16+ dB and add a 10 band EQ in the loop to maintain tone integrity.

All attenuators color tone like this. Some just have that EQ built in.

The_Rocker · 10-08-2008, 05:22 PM

Argghhh.... Confused

So will one of these things allow me to have say the master on 6 or more so my power tubes are heating up but not have the window breaking loudness at the same time?

RachelMorgan · 10-08-2008, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Rocker

Argghhh.... Confused

So will one of these things allow me to have say the master on 6 or more so my power tubes are heating up but not have the window breaking loudness at the same time?

Exactly.

But don't turn your channel volume up over like 7 on any but clean. You won't need to. Gain?

The_Rocker · 10-11-2008, 03:01 PM

Right, I went down to Dawsons in Reading today and played a Gibson Les Paul 58 Custom reissue through a JVM410H & 1960A and it IS A MATCH MADE IN HEAVEN!!!!!!!!

The Clean/Crunch channel on Max gain is amazing for blues jamming which I did a fair bit of with some guy.

And the OD2 on max gain.... I think im in love...... This thing is like playing though liquid gold.

My mind is made up..

JVM410H & 1960A... Followed by this axe:

Gibson 1958 Les Paul Plain Top Custom in Washed Cherry | Dawsons Music

steelhorse · 10-11-2008, 03:18 PM

Send us pics when you get them.

The_Rocker · 10-11-2008, 04:08 PM

Oh I will. Don't you worry.

I will be getting at least the head this coming friday, possibly the cab as well

As for the axe, time to get saving!

HOT TUBES 70 · 10-13-2008, 02:03 PM

i'm getting in on this too late it sounds but, if u can find a good used lm6100 marshall with 5881 output tubes .
you will not be disapointed,these amps were a "factory hot rodded" amp, i have owned
2 jcm 800's and a 50 watt jmp , but this amp is in a league of its own. these amps when
set up right, sound like " caged animal ", untill you here one ,its hard to really describe.
plus midi control of channel switching , these amps are still comparable to amps made in
2008. you need to check one of out , its the last marshall you will buy.......!

poeman33 · 10-13-2008, 03:25 PM

When I was trying out the JVM, they sounded WAY better with a vintage cab. To me there was really no comparison. Many of the reviews I read said the same thing...but you would have to try it out in person to judge for yourself. You can go to Celestions website and to get a general idea about the differences between the standard G12T75's and the Vintage 30's. Celestion | Guitar Loudspeakers

The_Rocker · 10-13-2008, 03:55 PM

Well whats a great Celestion loaded Marshall cab then?

1960AV or 1960AC?

The AC has 4 x 25w greenbacks? Is that good?

Or is there a nice difference between the standard A and the AV?

steelhorse · 10-13-2008, 05:28 PM

Depends. They're all great cabs imo it just depends on the other factors such as playing style, effects, guitars etc.

The A series are slanted cabs. The V is equipped with Vintage 30's the C's I believe are equipped with Greenbacks.

You really need to have a listen with your amp and guitar to know which is for you.

10-06-2008, 12:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
The_Rocker Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 49	Help me choose!! So, I am a high gain rock / metal guitarist with a taste for heavy slow blues rock as well I have the following amps at the moment: Marshall MS4 Micro Stack (Yes i like to walk around the house whilst playing) Marshall MG15CDR (First amp) Marshall MG50DFX (Current amp I play through all the time) I now want to go up- market if you like. I currently own 3 Epiphone les pauls, my favourite of the three pictured here: Notice the Gibson Dirty Fingers pickup and brass knut. (Yes I am a John Sykes fan without the 3.5k needed for his Gibson sig LP. But have no fear, a Gibson LP shall be in my hands before Xmas. ----------------- So cutting to the chase, you get what sort of sound I am after (LP + Marshall = ) I cant decide between the following four amp's, they will of course be accompanied by a 1960A or 1960AV 4x12 cab. JVM 410H JVM 210H DSL 100 TSL 100 The thing that puts me off the DSL and TSL is the fact that they have no seperate Channel and master volume so I have no idea what these will sound like at low volumes whilst practicing. However, can someone shed some light on whether a PB-100 Power Brake would help out here? The JVM's I am in love with, but which one would I want? I WANT GAIN!!! I WANT GAIN!!! Cheers

10-06-2008, 04:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
The_Rocker Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 49	Re: Help me choose!! Anyone? Surely someone here can help me out?

10-06-2008, 04:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
spikei Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 81	Re: Help me choose!! tsl 60 has master vol and gain and three channels, so i dont understand the question?

10-06-2008, 06:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,512	Re: Help me choose!! Me too I'm confused. The TSL's kick ass and have 3 totally separate channels which are totally footswitchable. I have both the TSL100 and the DSL100 and they're both awesome. Unless you're planning on hitting the stage in the near future, I'd save my bucks, invest in a DSL or TSL combo and save toward getting a real deal Les Paul. JVM 410's are extreme overkill for the house imo.

10-07-2008, 02:01 AM	#5 (permalink)
The_Rocker Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 49	Re: Help me choose!! Well I work full time so a les paul isn't far away anyway and as for a new amp, I am talking about buying one this Friday. Has to be a half stack as I just want one. Got any sound demo's of the TSL OR DSL?

10-07-2008, 02:09 AM	#6 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,512	Re: Help me choose!! There are tons of clips on youtube.

10-07-2008, 05:06 AM	#7 (permalink)
RachelMorgan Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 188	Re: Help me choose!! Let's put it this way, you can't have too much gain.... well you can but I mean you can't have too much gain on tap. I actually made some preamp valves freak out with gain once. It wasn't pretty. That said, if you can afford the JVM go for it. You'll have more gain on tap than the TSL. The other question is do you need 100 Watts or will 50 do the job. Remember 50 watts is 75% as loud as 100 watts. 10 watts is half as loud. Here's the deal: A JVM 205H will have the same features as a 210H but have 50 watts instead of 100 watts and costs around $1600. Now add a new 212 cabinet with Vintage 30s, or a used 1960B from fleabay to it and you've hit $2000. Believe me for the average venue that's plenty. Oh FYI: the Line 6 412 cab that goes with their Spider Valves has four Celestion Vintage 30s and costs a lot less than the Marshall 1960A. Now for your sanity and hearing for practicing at home you'll need something like a THD Hot Plate. I have one. I personally think they work better than the Power Brake and they're cheaper and lighter too. That'll run you about $300 more. Now add in a noise gate (I really wish the amp had a built in noise gate) llike a ISP Decimator G-string and you've added another $250. So by the time you're out the door you're up to near $3000. I think the DSL heads are overpriced on ebay. The TSLs are more. You might as well spend a little more on the new JVM 205H. Try out a lot of amps though. Try out the JVM, the DSL, the TSL, heck try out a Peavey 5150 II (or 6505+). See what you like. __________________ Guitars: ESP LTD Alexi-600 V; Gibson SG Standard; Schecter C-1 Hellraiser (JB/'59 w/ JB coil tap) Amps: Peavey 6505+; Fender HR Deville. Board: Crybaby -> TS808 -> amp -> M-108 -> Whammy -> BF-3 -> DD-6 -> Sonic Stomp -> amp -> Hot Plate -> Speakers: Avatar Contemporary 212s #1: Greenbacks; #2: Vintage 30s

10-07-2008, 05:20 AM	#8 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,512	Re: Help me choose!! I don't think the DSL or TSL's are over priced on ebay at all. I got my TSL for 850.00 shipped and it's only a year old. I see deals on ebay all the time, but I'm thinking Rocker is from UK so he could probably score a decent deal over there presumably if that's the case. Heck you want gain, why not go all out and get a modded out JCM 800? May not have all the dials and knobs but if it's gain and power you want these babies have it from what I'm told. Speaking of noise gate Rachel, that's another feature I like about my JSX, another amp a prospective amp buyer should look into for sure.

10-07-2008, 02:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
The_Rocker Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 49	Re: Help me choose!! You are correct. I am in the UK. I will only be buying new as I want the Marshal warranty. I also want a 100w Head just for the fact that its a Marshall 100w head. Its a personal thing lol. The JVM210H is like £35 less than the JVM410H so I think my best bet would be just to buy the JVM410H.

10-07-2008, 03:06 PM	#12 (permalink)
The_Rocker Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 49	Re: Help me choose!! Ok cheers, lets talk cabinets... Would a 1960AV or AC be better than a standard 1960A? I have heard a lot about the Celestion Vintage and Greenback's I will be buying new of course. And the powerbrake? Is it actually wortwhile? I have heard people say they can blow up or damage the amp???

10-07-2008, 06:21 PM	#13 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,512	Re: Help me choose!! The powerbrake or hotplate won't blow up your amp, completely safe. I prefer the hotplate. Just sounds better to me. As for cabs or amps or gear, you really need to go into the shop(s) and try them out for yourself. Take a few of your guitars and put all the amps and cabs through the test. That's REALLY the best way any of us can help you choose. You have an idea of what you want but you could walk in and be greatly disappointed with the one you're expecting to buy. It's happened to me in the past 30+ years I've been playing (yikes!) and when folks ask me what they should get I point a few things out: 1: if you buy cheap, it's gonna probably perform about the same as that, so spend wisely with the consideration that at some point you're either going to upgrade or give it up and need to sell it. Better equipment as you know usually sounds and performs better inspiring the player to play more. (fwiw, I don't believe this is an issue for you heh) 2: Never over spend. I've seen guys walk in all wide eyed plunk down some big coin as if they were already preparing for stardom only to get pennies on the dollar when they find out it isn't as easy as they thought. (hmmm...maybe this) 3: Bigger, more knobs, more this or that doesn't equal better. Have you seen some of the rigs the big time players made their name with? Shamelessly simple. Heck, EVH had 1 flippin' humbucker in a beat up old ratty guitar! Same with Jimi, even Zakk's amps don't have multiple channels. Pros like these can plug into a practice amp and sound great. (or this?) 4: More expensive, boutique, NOS, vintage doesn't equal better. (we all get fixated with this at some point if you play long enough) and lastly, never buy into the hype or because your ego would be massaged by having the biggest baddest rig on the block, because those are only fleeting. /end rant good luck and have fun!

10-07-2008, 08:13 PM	#14 (permalink)
big dooley Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: netherlands Posts: 85	Re: Help me choose!! if you want gain real cheap, strap on some serious gauge strings... in a couple of years i went stepwise from .009 to .012 on a standard E-tuning... needless to say, what that does to your tone

10-08-2008, 02:06 AM	#15 (permalink)
The_Rocker Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 49	Re: Help me choose!! Thanks for the advice. I must say I was originally put off by the amount of knobs and controls on the JVM410, but I want the amp for the sound and nothing else I will go and try out a few cabs this coming weekend although the shops near me probly only stock the 1960A/B. Also, can someone point me to this Hotplate thing from a UK shop?

10-08-2008, 02:42 AM	#16 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,512	Re: Help me choose!! If tone is what you're REALLY after then why not invest in a Silver Jubilee halfstack? Now THAT amp has tone. The Vintage Modern is based on that amp to a degree and that amp has serious tone. These are simpler amps in the sense that they don't all the bells and whistles that the JVM does but sure a lot less potential issues to deal with than even the DSL or TSL for that matter. Amazing sounding amps. Slash is an example of a player who used a Jubilee and probably still does although I imagine he uses his signature line. He also uses VM's. Check out youtube for Slash and the VM and Jubilee series. Now those amps especially the Silver Jubilee's are the shit. silverjubilee

10-08-2008, 12:59 PM	#17 (permalink)
The_Rocker Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 49	Re: Help me choose!! Nice but I think thats a bit outta my price range lol... I think I will be more than happy with a JVM410H because I am coming from an MG50DFX. But just a simple question.... Would a 1960AC or AV sound better with the JVM410H than a standard 1960A? Cheers

10-08-2008, 01:11 PM	#18 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,512	Re: Help me choose!! Depends on your ear. The C & V have more of a vintage tone and the standard slant cab is more of a modern type sounding cab to an extent. If you're looking at a JVM410, you might find a Jubilee in the UK for about the same or less. I've seen them on here for about the same or less myself but they were all in the UK. You got your mind set on the big bad lots of options thing and that's cool. But I've played through a JVM (and most of the other heads for that matter except for the solid states and hybrids) and the Jubilee owns it imo when it comes to THE tone. If I had to do it over again this past month I would have gotten the Vintage Modern instead of the DSL00, but who knew I'd wind up scoring a TSL100 for next to nothing?! Again, do your shopping -yourself- in the shops with your guitars through the different cabs and heads because all we're doing here is offering you our opinions. If you already know what you want you shouldn't need any of us to affirm that. just saying...

10-08-2008, 03:43 PM	#19 (permalink)
The_Rocker Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 49	Re: Help me choose!! Ok, so I will have to go try some out... But tbh im not a professional musician so I reckon a standard 1960A would make me a very happy lad Now onto this Attenuator business... Whats this HotPlate thing which is supposed to sound better then the PowerBrake?

10-08-2008, 04:09 PM	#20 (permalink)
RachelMorgan Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 188	Re: Help me choose!! The THD Hot Plate .... I've got one. You just need to make sure you match the impedence rating of the cabinet with the unit you get. So I THINK the 1960A is 16 ohms. The way you use it is you want power section saturation (this is before you get power section distortion which may or may not be all that pleasant depending upon the tubes). Saturation adds that fullness to the tone. Without that fullness you get fizzies. I basically have my amp set the way I want and use this thing to adjust volume. At -4 dB and -8 dB it doesn't color tone. At -12 dB and -16+ dB you will notice a change in your tone due to the simple fact that you're not moving as much air with your speakers. Your ears are more sensitive to mid-range, and at lower volumes you notice a drop in bass and treble. So if you're going to use bedroom levels you'll need to use an EQ or the thing has bass and treble boost switches. I basically use this to allow me to use the JVM as a non-master volume amp. However it does not give you the free license to dime the MV and dime the preamp. Trust me loud is great, but don't overdo it. I run the channel volumes at around 6/10 with the MV 1 at 8 and MV 2 dimed. When I need to drop the volume low for stuff like recording or night I'll attenuate at -16+ dB and add a 10 band EQ in the loop to maintain tone integrity. All attenuators color tone like this. Some just have that EQ built in. __________________ Guitars: ESP LTD Alexi-600 V; Gibson SG Standard; Schecter C-1 Hellraiser (JB/'59 w/ JB coil tap) Amps: Peavey 6505+; Fender HR Deville. Board: Crybaby -> TS808 -> amp -> M-108 -> Whammy -> BF-3 -> DD-6 -> Sonic Stomp -> amp -> Hot Plate -> Speakers: Avatar Contemporary 212s #1: Greenbacks; #2: Vintage 30s

10-08-2008, 05:22 PM	#21 (permalink)
The_Rocker Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 49	Re: Help me choose!! Argghhh.... Confused So will one of these things allow me to have say the master on 6 or more so my power tubes are heating up but not have the window breaking loudness at the same time?

10-11-2008, 03:01 PM	#23 (permalink)
The_Rocker Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 49	Re: Help me choose!! Right, I went down to Dawsons in Reading today and played a Gibson Les Paul 58 Custom reissue through a JVM410H & 1960A and it IS A MATCH MADE IN HEAVEN!!!!!!!! The Clean/Crunch channel on Max gain is amazing for blues jamming which I did a fair bit of with some guy. And the OD2 on max gain.... I think im in love...... This thing is like playing though liquid gold. My mind is made up.. JVM410H & 1960A... Followed by this axe: Gibson 1958 Les Paul Plain Top Custom in Washed Cherry \| Dawsons Music

10-11-2008, 03:18 PM	#24 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,512	Re: Help me choose!! Send us pics when you get them. __________________ "Man who says it cannot be done, should not interrupt man who is doing it!"

10-11-2008, 04:08 PM	#25 (permalink)
The_Rocker Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 49	Re: Help me choose!! Oh I will. Don't you worry. I will be getting at least the head this coming friday, possibly the cab as well As for the axe, time to get saving!

10-13-2008, 02:03 PM	#26 (permalink)
HOT TUBES 70 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SASKATOON Posts: 307	Re: Help me choose!! i'm getting in on this too late it sounds but, if u can find a good used lm6100 marshall with 5881 output tubes . you will not be disapointed,these amps were a "factory hot rodded" amp, i have owned 2 jcm 800's and a 50 watt jmp , but this amp is in a league of its own. these amps when set up right, sound like " caged animal ", untill you here one ,its hard to really describe. plus midi control of channel switching , these amps are still comparable to amps made in 2008. you need to check one of out , its the last marshall you will buy.......!

10-13-2008, 03:25 PM	#27 (permalink)
poeman33 Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 162	Re: Help me choose!! When I was trying out the JVM, they sounded WAY better with a vintage cab. To me there was really no comparison. Many of the reviews I read said the same thing...but you would have to try it out in person to judge for yourself. You can go to Celestions website and to get a general idea about the differences between the standard G12T75's and the Vintage 30's. Celestion \| Guitar Loudspeakers __________________ --------------- Marshall JCM2000 DSL50 Avatar Vintage 4x12 cab Fender American Deluxe HSS Strat Ash body

10-13-2008, 03:55 PM	#28 (permalink)
The_Rocker Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 49	Re: Help me choose!! Well whats a great Celestion loaded Marshall cab then? 1960AV or 1960AC? The AC has 4 x 25w greenbacks? Is that good? Or is there a nice difference between the standard A and the AV?