What the thing hes doing to get that tone?

ItsChrispyTv · 01-13-2011, 04:47 AM

Ok yes i'll admit it, another slash forum, but this ones different, its not pointing out the obvious "how can i sound like slash" Cause the short painless answer to that is GET A AFD100, But this is something in the detail of his tone, but he can achieve with nearly any amp, on any record, ok so listen to this, pay attention to the higher notes,

YouTube - Triple M's Dr Dan Commercial. Featuring Slash

When you hear the higher notes, theres kind of a screech to them, like a really distinctive high sound to it, i don't know how to explain it, i was just wondering is there some kind of thing to do this, like what control would help this? Presence, gain? whats the deal? If you listen to some of his other records you can hear it aswell.

TwinACStacks · 01-13-2011, 05:16 AM

Easy Get something similar to an 800 and roll back the Bass to Zero, DIME the mids, treble, presence and you too will have that uninspiring thin-ass Slash tone...

Next?

TWIN

bulldozer1984 · 01-13-2011, 05:20 AM

Personally i like the tone and yeh like Twin said lots of treble pres and mids

spiritdave · 01-13-2011, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwinACStacks

Easy Get something similar to an 800 and roll back the Bass to Zero, DIME the mids, treble, presence and you too will have that uninspiring thin-ass Slash tone...

Next?

TWIN

Dude ... You're actually more of an anti-fan-boy of Slash than any of the fan's here are fan-boys. I think it's time you stayed out of Slash related threads. You're wasting server space with the posts you make

PaoloJM · 01-13-2011, 07:19 AM

A lot of what you're hearing there is in the pick attack and how you hold the pick.
Slash really digs in hard. He also gets a lot of thumb in there, not always producing artificial harmonics but getting a lot of aggression in there.
This is the kind of sound you won't hear from shredders as their pick attack is quite consistent and controlled.
The amp and guitar is fairly irrelevant IMO, any valve amp with decent amount of gain and lots of mids and a mahogany based geetar with humbuckers and the right technique will get that sound.

chuckharmonjr · 01-13-2011, 07:20 AM

lol...get a ugly assed top hat and a cigarette...lol...thin tone every time

diesect20022000 · 01-13-2011, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwinACStacks

Easy Get something similar to an 800 and roll back the Bass to Zero, DIME the mids, treble, presence and you too will have that uninspiring thin-ass Slash tone...

Next?

TWIN

pretty much what he said. bass off mids and trebs dimed.

tubes · 01-13-2011, 09:20 AM

Doesn't seem very screechy to me.

I'm sure I have heard more screechy sounds than this.

If I dime the treble, mid and presence on my 900 there are horrible buzzes - not awesome tone. Not 'Slash' tone I suspect - but I'm not sure what exactly that is.

And I'm sure there are others who play more screechy than this.

To my mind this is a kind of 'industry standard' sound.
We hear it a lot.

Any decent guitar + any decent Marshall... you can get to it.

I second Paolo too: i.e. he reminds us that there's a big difference between one player and another depending on how they dig in with the pick, add a bit of thumb etc.

Just my few thoughts quickly - before I over-think the issue.

Classicplayer · 01-13-2011, 10:10 AM

In one of the associated You Tube vids for this theme song that Slash is updating, he explains what he is trying to accomplish. There is also the original song on You Tube and you can hear that Slash is trying to get close to the sound of the guitar on that original recording. What I'd like to know is, what is the pedal he steps on in this video? A Boss DS-1 type?

Classicplayer

Frankie · 01-13-2011, 10:16 AM

Compression. That's pretty much how my V in the DSL sounds. The pedal looks like a DD-3 to me.

Edit: Just read the other posts. Yeah, my pick hand is heavy, maybe that's why. I beast **** that guitar.

spiritdave · 01-13-2011, 10:29 AM

Dunno what the pedal is, but those are Vintage Modern amps if I'm not mistaken.

spiritdave · 01-13-2011, 10:29 AM

And the tone is fat as **** so I don't know why everyone thinks Slash's tone is thin ... I've seen Slash live a few times and his tone is always monstrously thick.

scat7s · 01-13-2011, 10:40 AM

no doubt you guys have heard the 'rumors' around the SIR modded amp slash rented for AFD. rumor was he stole it, told SIR it was stolen from him, but SIR managed to steal it back. what you dont hear on the marshall site is that supposedly he paid someone at SIR to steal it back again. and it hasnt been seen since. with that final theft, that would put that infamous marshall back in slash's hands.

all he would have to do is have his tech transfer it to another cab or chassis and its pretty much hidden from anyones sight. it wouldnt surprise me to find out he's had it all along. (ive heard the original chassis had holes all over it from previous mods etc...it was pretty much butchered up, fairly easy to visually ID.)

thats just the story as i heard it. i have no first hand knowledge.

big dooley · 01-13-2011, 11:18 AM

back ontopic: this is indeed just the way he plays... pretty hard picking...
i don't know what you're using for strings, but ramming .009's like that would kill em... slash uses .011's tuned down to Eb...
on the AFD100 he sets almost everything at "6" including the presence, so the effect of high pinch sounding hard picking is being given trough better... combine it with those low output alnico II pro's he's using and you have it right there... the way of playing is the most important part though, the gear he's using is just the icing on the cake

it's funny... slashbashing is a way of life here, but when a big-ego-swedish-note****er, who actually rehearses how to throw picks into the audience in the most flamboyant kind of way he can come up with, during a soundcheck in an empty hall, get's a sig...?

...you get a dozen threads within 3 days, with all the love and hype mankind can only dream of....

Snakeface · 01-13-2011, 11:21 AM

He didn't use a VM for that video, he used his old JCM 800 #34 and there is a video on youtube on how they made the recording and you can see in the studio his JCM 800 on. I've seen Slash 2 times live, once with Velvet Revolver and last year for his Solo tour...his live tone is really THICK...not thin at all. Of course he cranks the presence pretty up high but that makes his tone more aggressive...as for the distinctive high sounds that you refer to, that comes from your playing style and it's more of a picking technique, also the pickups play a role in his tone as well, not only the amps he is using.

Frankie · 01-13-2011, 11:26 AM

Hah, I play 11-48's down to Eb myself. I'm telling you, my V in the DSL is hot just like that.

big dooley · 01-13-2011, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie

Hah, I play 11-48's down to Eb myself. I'm telling you, my V in the DSL is hot just like that.

mmmm lovely... 12-56's in standard E on a les paul trough a JVM over here

anything slinky gets killed....

ironlung40 · 01-13-2011, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ItsChrispyTv

Ok yes i'll admit it, another slash forum, but this ones different, its not pointing out the obvious "how can i sound like slash" Cause the short painless answer to that is GET A AFD100, But this is something in the detail of his tone, but he can achieve with nearly any amp, on any record, ok so listen to this, pay attention to the higher notes, YouTube - Triple M's Dr Dan Commercial. Featuring Slash

When you hear the higher notes, theres kind of a screech to them, like a really distinctive high sound to it, i don't know how to explain it, i was just wondering is there some kind of thing to do this, like what control would help this? Presence, gain? whats the deal? If you listen to some of his other records you can hear it aswell.

No offense, but this is exactly like any other Slash thread....."how to sound like slash"

Anyway, I agree with the tone controls, but really technique is the real answer, not "get an AFD" or whatever.

You're going to have to sit down and work at it for awhile. EQ will help to a point, but then it is all technique. Slash sounds like Slash no matter what amp he plays. So many bash the VM on this forum, yet like the 800's etc. Well slash has been using variations of both his whole career and for the most part sounds the same.

Frankie · 01-13-2011, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big dooley

mmmm lovely... 12-56's in standard E on a les paul trough a JVM over here

anything slinky gets killed....

I was doing the 12-56's, but I couldn't really get down with them all the way. The tone was FAT and heavy, but I couldn't get any good 80's jiggle when playing lead. Went back down to 11-48's and I'm happy as hell. I tried to play one of Pop's guitars with 9's on it last night and it was embarrassing. I kept slipping off the strings!

TwinACStacks · 01-13-2011, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiritdave

Dude ... You're actually more of an anti-fan-boy of Slash than any of the fan's here are fan-boys. I think it's time you stayed out of Slash related threads. You're wasting server space with the posts you make

Dave, The Uninspiring part was a Dig. The OTHER part about rolling off the Bass is ACCURATE. I KNOW how to get the tone, I just Don't like it. Saul is a descent Player in my book, GREATLY Over-Endorsed/Media Saturated, but none the less good Chops.

TWIN

core · 01-13-2011, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwinACStacks

Easy Get something similar to an 800 and roll back the Bass to Zero, DIME the mids, treble, presence and you too will have that uninspiring thin-ass Slash tone...

Next?

TWIN

Dude that thinness is in the mix not the eq of his amp. Live it's very ballsy.

Paolo is absolutely right it's all in how he uses the pick in conjunction with how you brush the strings with the fingers holding the pick in order to get those little nuances.

Just practice getting tight with the pick dig in and work on subtly brushing the side of your thumb on the string, just experiment with that. Work in the tremolo on the fret hand.

But honestly that video is not a very good example of a memorable tone nor distinctive to Slash. It's something if you get that pick attack down you or anyone can do it and better.

spiritdave · 01-13-2011, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snakeface

He didn't use a VM for that video, he used his old JCM 800 #34 and there is a video on youtube on how they made the recording and you can see in the studio his JCM 800 on. I've seen Slash 2 times live, once with Velvet Revolver and last year for his Solo tour...his live tone is really THICK...not thin at all. Of course he cranks the presence pretty up high but that makes his tone more aggressive...as for the distinctive high sounds that you refer to, that comes from your playing style and it's more of a picking technique, also the pickups play a role in his tone as well, not only the amps he is using.

But am I wrong about those amps ? As in ... the video ... aren't they VM's ? They look damn similar to the VM's I owned.

big dooley · 01-13-2011, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie

I was doing the 12-56's, but I couldn't really get down with them all the way. The tone was FAT and heavy, but I couldn't get any good 80's jiggle when playing lead. Went back down to 11-48's and I'm happy as hell. I tried to play one of Pop's guitars with 9's on it last night and it was embarrassing. I kept slipping off the strings!

a couple of weeks ago i was playing my bandmate's les paul... he's using 9's as he has stiffness problems with his fingers... i couldn't play the damn thing anymore...
i didn't feel the strings at all... like i was trying to play air or something like that... really weird

Snakeface · 01-13-2011, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiritdave

But am I wrong about those amps ? As in ... the video ... aren't they VM's ? They look damn similar to the VM's I owned.

Those are Vintage Moderns in the video but used only for the video shoot....they were never used for the recording of the actual track that's playing in the video.

Frankie · 01-13-2011, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big dooley

a couple of weeks ago i was playing my bandmate's les paul... he's using 9's as he has stiffness problems with his fingers... i couldn't play the damn thing anymore...
i didn't feel the strings at all... like i was trying to play air or something like that... really weird

Yeah, I literally couldn't feel the strings under my callouses. It was also a 7.5" radius CBS Strat, so I was basically ****ed. I sounded like I just learned how to play.

big dooley · 01-13-2011, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie

Yeah, I literally couldn't feel the strings under my callouses. It was also a 7.5" radius CBS Strat, so I was basically ****ed. I sounded like I just learned how to play.

you should try to play a lefthanded guitar... altough you know how to play it, it takes you right back to that humble beginning again

Frankie · 01-13-2011, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big dooley

you should try to play a lefthanded guitar... altough you know how to play it, it takes you right back to that humble beginning again

I have! I felt like I was a kid again!

spiritdave · 01-13-2011, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwinACStacks

Dave, The Uninspiring part was a Dig. The OTHER part about rolling off the Bass is ACCURATE. I KNOW how to get the tone, I just Don't like it. Saul is a descent Player in my book, GREATLY Over-Endorsed/Media Saturated, but none the less good Chops.

TWIN

Zero bass is not how to get that tone ... unless your amp is ****ed. lOL!

However ... I agree that Slash threads have been massively over posted here ... Slash is my favourite player by far but even I see too many of the damn threads. Anyways, no offence intended, I kinda wrote it with a fun thought ... reading back I seem to have come over as a dick. My apologies

core · 01-13-2011, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwinACStacks

Dave, The Uninspiring part was a Dig. The OTHER part about rolling off the Bass is ACCURATE. I KNOW how to get the tone, I just Don't like it. Saul is a descent Player in my book, GREATLY Over-Endorsed/Media Saturated, but none the less good Chops.

TWIN

Once again, respectfully you're wrong on this one. Like I said it's in the mix. They set his guitars a little bit back in the mix to bring other elements forward. If you've seen pics of his rig, he keeps his AFD100's EQ at around 6 on all dials with only the preamp at 7ish. On his older rig the older Slash model he has his EQ at around 6-7 Bass/Mids with Pres/Treb at around 4. That's pretty much normal territory for a good setup for anybody's 2203/04. And probably what you and most people here set theirs to as well I would say.

Frankie · 01-13-2011, 01:53 PM

I keep my bass rolled back to like 3-4 on basically all of my amps. There's no reason for a guitar to be bassy, that's what bass players are for.

01-13-2011, 05:20 AM	#3 (permalink)
bulldozer1984 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Sydney Posts: 4,957	Re: What the thing hes doing to get that tone? Personally i like the tone and yeh like Twin said lots of treble pres and mids

01-13-2011, 07:19 AM	#5 (permalink)
PaoloJM Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Cork, Ireland Posts: 1,519	Re: What the thing hes doing to get that tone? A lot of what you're hearing there is in the pick attack and how you hold the pick. Slash really digs in hard. He also gets a lot of thumb in there, not always producing artificial harmonics but getting a lot of aggression in there. This is the kind of sound you won't hear from shredders as their pick attack is quite consistent and controlled. The amp and guitar is fairly irrelevant IMO, any valve amp with decent amount of gain and lots of mids and a mahogany based geetar with humbuckers and the right technique will get that sound. __________________ www.youtube.com/paolojm I'm no poindexter, I'm ****ing awesome like this guy

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chuckharmonjr Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: About as far south in Alabama as you can go without swimming Posts: 5,530	Re: What the thing hes doing to get that tone? lol...get a ugly assed top hat and a cigarette...lol...thin tone every time __________________ JCM2000 DSL100 JMD-1 100 Watter JMP800 2204 MG50DFX Vox AD30VT Valvestate 20 1960A 1960B MG412A Seismic Audio 2-12 Black Cherry Les Paul Tobacco Burst Les Paul Black Les Paul Custom Honey Burst Les Paul R8 Les Paul in Tea Burst ES-175 in Cherry EDS-1275 in White Fender Strat in Tobacco Burst Black Charvel Fusion "When it comes to electricity, make sure it's dead before it makes sure YOU ARE!" Im not a Real Tech, But I do play one on TV

01-13-2011, 09:20 AM	#8 (permalink)
tubes Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,571	Re: What the thing hes doing to get that tone? Doesn't seem very screechy to me. I'm sure I have heard more screechy sounds than this. If I dime the treble, mid and presence on my 900 there are horrible buzzes - not awesome tone. Not 'Slash' tone I suspect - but I'm not sure what exactly that is. And I'm sure there are others who play more screechy than this. To my mind this is a kind of 'industry standard' sound. We hear it a lot. Any decent guitar + any decent Marshall... you can get to it. I second Paolo too: i.e. he reminds us that there's a big difference between one player and another depending on how they dig in with the pick, add a bit of thumb etc. Just my few thoughts quickly - before I over-think the issue. __________________ AMPS: JCM900 MkIII MV 50W: JCM900 4100 DR BOXEN: JCM 900 Quad box G12T-75s: Quad Box of Emminence GTRs: Flying V: Fernandes Strat style SSH Cheap Pedals + Classic Old Pedals

01-13-2011, 10:10 AM	#9 (permalink)
Classicplayer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 104	Re: What the thing hes doing to get that tone? In one of the associated You Tube vids for this theme song that Slash is updating, he explains what he is trying to accomplish. There is also the original song on You Tube and you can hear that Slash is trying to get close to the sound of the guitar on that original recording. What I'd like to know is, what is the pedal he steps on in this video? A Boss DS-1 type? Classicplayer

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01-13-2011, 10:16 AM	#10 (permalink)
Frankie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 4,998	Re: What the thing hes doing to get that tone? Compression. That's pretty much how my V in the DSL sounds. The pedal looks like a DD-3 to me. Edit: Just read the other posts. Yeah, my pick hand is heavy, maybe that's why. I beast **** that guitar. __________________

01-13-2011, 10:29 AM	#11 (permalink)
spiritdave Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,690	Re: What the thing hes doing to get that tone? Dunno what the pedal is, but those are Vintage Modern amps if I'm not mistaken.

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spiritdave Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,690	Re: What the thing hes doing to get that tone? And the tone is fat as **** so I don't know why everyone thinks Slash's tone is thin ... I've seen Slash live a few times and his tone is always monstrously thick.

01-13-2011, 10:40 AM	#13 (permalink)
scat7s Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 7,722	Re: What the thing hes doing to get that tone? no doubt you guys have heard the 'rumors' around the SIR modded amp slash rented for AFD. rumor was he stole it, told SIR it was stolen from him, but SIR managed to steal it back. what you dont hear on the marshall site is that supposedly he paid someone at SIR to steal it back again. and it hasnt been seen since. with that final theft, that would put that infamous marshall back in slash's hands. all he would have to do is have his tech transfer it to another cab or chassis and its pretty much hidden from anyones sight. it wouldnt surprise me to find out he's had it all along. (ive heard the original chassis had holes all over it from previous mods etc...it was pretty much butchered up, fairly easy to visually ID.) thats just the story as i heard it. i have no first hand knowledge.

01-13-2011, 11:21 AM	#15 (permalink)
Snakeface Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Montreal Posts: 694	Re: What the thing hes doing to get that tone? He didn't use a VM for that video, he used his old JCM 800 #34 and there is a video on youtube on how they made the recording and you can see in the studio his JCM 800 on. I've seen Slash 2 times live, once with Velvet Revolver and last year for his Solo tour...his live tone is really THICK...not thin at all. Of course he cranks the presence pretty up high but that makes his tone more aggressive...as for the distinctive high sounds that you refer to, that comes from your playing style and it's more of a picking technique, also the pickups play a role in his tone as well, not only the amps he is using. __________________ 1996 Gibson Les Paul Standard Tabacco Burst 2005 Gibson Les Paul Classic Tabacco Plaintop 2009 Gibson Les Paul Traditional Honeyburst 2009 Gibson SG Standard Limited Edition White Marshall Jubilee 2550 Black Marshall JVM 205H Marshall AFD 100 Marshall 1960AV

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Frankie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 4,998	Re: What the thing hes doing to get that tone? Hah, I play 11-48's down to Eb myself. I'm telling you, my V in the DSL is hot just like that. __________________

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Frankie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 4,998	Re: What the thing hes doing to get that tone? I keep my bass rolled back to like 3-4 on basically all of my amps. There's no reason for a guitar to be bassy, that's what bass players are for. __________________

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