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Unread 11-23-2010, 08:05 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Re: Why do TSLs sound worse than DSLs?

I owned both a DSL 50 and a TSL 100 at the same time. Sold the DSL as I thought the TSL sounded better in the context of a band.

Yes, the DSL was a little warmer, but the TSL was clearer when playing at loud volumes.
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A couple of questions first.

Aren't their power stages similar?

What about their preamp stages? Can't a TSL be dialed in to sound exactly like a DSL in any mode?


In what way are TSLs inferior than DSLs soundwise and design-wise.

I have played both TSLs and DSLs and I cannot see why people trash these amps so badly... I found their crunch channel really good for hard rock tones and I love it. The cleans are pretty nice too and they can be set seperately from the dist. channel.

I am contemplating in getting another Marshall and I am torn between a JVM vs a TSL combo in 1x12 format. I tend to prefer the TSL from what I have heard.
Not trying to start a flame war but I own both a TSL100 and a DSL100... I like them both. Actually I like fact that a TSL has individual EQs whereas the DSL shares the EQs...

But, I still like them both...




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Not trying to start a flame war but I own both a TSL100 and a DSL100... I like them both. In fact I like fact that a TSL has individual EQs whereas the DSL shares the EQs...

But, I still like them both...

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Nothing wrong with liking both man! I'm in a band with a good friend that plays a DSL100. I got no beef with his tone.
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Re: Why do TSLs sound worse than DSLs?

I finally got to play my TSL 100 in a full band setting two weekends in a row now. I'm perfectly happy with the results. It fits perfectly with what we're doing as a trio, sounds real full in that context. Which is bad news because as soon as I'm comfortable with an amp--as soon as all the quirks are worked out and all the maintenance taken care of--it's sooner rather than later that the gassing starts for something different. I don't see how you could get a better value for your money in any other amp than you do with the JCM 2000 line.
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I finally got to play my TSL 100 in a full band setting two weekends in a row now. I'm perfectly happy with the results. It fits perfectly with what we're doing as a trio, sounds real full in that context. Which is bad news because as soon as I'm comfortable with an amp--as soon as all the quirks are worked out and all the maintenance taken care of--it's sooner rather than later that the gassing starts for something different. I don't see how you could get a better value for your money in any other amp than you do with the JCM 2000 line.
Nice Bieling! That's the best place for a TSL to be... Live band setting! Keep rocking Bro!
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Re: Why do TSLs sound worse than DSLs?

It's ALL in the Name:

DSL= Done been a Super Lead

TSL= Trying to be a Super Lead


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And since I have looked at the schematics, I'm here to confirm that this info is invalid. Check the schematics. There are no SS clipping devices in neither the DSL or TSL signal path. It's an internet myth started by a bunch of idiots who think that the only thing that can cause fizzy/farty overdrive is diode clipping.
Hey Now. I started that rumor just to make the 900ers jealous....

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Re: Why do TSLs sound worse than DSLs?

I love my TSL when I had it.
Only sold it when the JVM came out...
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Re: Why do TSLs sound worse than DSLs?

I was in a band a couple years ago. The guitarist i replaced used a TSL100. I also use a TSL100. The guys in the band could not believe how good my TSL sounded. There isnt anything special about my amp, i just took the time to dial it in. I think thats the key point about the TSL. You aren't going to plug in and find tone heaven straight away, you have to spend time with it.

With that said, i absolutely love my TSL.
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I was in a band a couple years ago. The guitarist i replaced used a TSL100. I also use a TSL100. The guys in the band could not believe how good my TSL sounded. There isnt anything special about my amp, i just took the time to dial it in. I think thats the key point about the TSL. You aren't going to plug in and find tone heaven straight away, you have to spend time with it.

With that said, i absolutely love my TSL.
I think that that is the key. The TSL is a great amp, but if you put all controls on 10 it sounds dizzy, but dial the tone in and crank the volume it sounds awesome.

P'taps TSLs are too complex for DSL owners!
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Re: Why do TSLs sound worse than DSLs?

i have no problem with either, but i think theTSL just doesnt look right.
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I think that that is the key. The TSL is a great amp, but if you put all controls on 10 it sounds dizzy, but dial the tone in and crank the volume it sounds awesome.

P'taps TSLs are too complex for DSL owners!
Ya, the 'all settings at 10' thing i think is for passive eq circuits in older amps (and now i'm pretty much talking out of my ass, so if anyone knows otherwise, please correct me) whereas newer amps have active eq circuits...or something...

I just set my eq to noon, then dialed to taste. I think i ended up somewhere around bass - 1:30, mid - 3:00, treb - 1:00 for the crunch and lead channels.
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Re: Why do TSLs sound worse than DSLs?

I had a TSL602, and it always sounded flat to me. However, it was the cleanest sounding Marshall I've ever heard.
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I had a TSL602, and it always sounded flat to me. However, it was the cleanest sounding Marshall I've ever heard.
It depends on the cabinet a great deal also... I never cared for the JCM800 series because one of my old guitar players had one in combo form... I never cared for the sound of it...

One day I was fooling around with our practice area and had a couple of 4x12 Marshall cabs sitting idle, so I bypassed his speakers and hooked up his combo to one of them... World of difference....! I actually tried to buy it from him after that....!
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In what way are TSLs inferior than DSLs soundwise and design-wise.
Too many knobs!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Why do TSLs sound worse than DSLs?

I dont know the answer but they do.Ive owned both.The tsl sounded sterile but the Dsl sounded warm and clear.I would go as far to say the Dsl is the best amp Marshall has ever made.Ive got 2 Master Volumes and 2 800's.All of them are excellent amps but you have to try alot harder to get a decent sound out of the mk2 and 800's where as the dsl,you would find it hard not to get a good tone out of it whatever the setting.I would still rather struggle with my mk2's and 800's though.I must be mad!
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Re: Why do TSLs sound worse than DSLs?

You know guys? I have to say and this is honestly that, EVERY Marshall i've played and that includes the MG series sound pretty good when dialed in. I know we all have our preferences but, i have yet to play one i didn't find some tone in that i loved. the MG100HDFX 1 i played a while back was killer for a cheap SS amp after diling it in. not a tube amp by far but, i was pleasantly surprised at the mean and sweet (and combined/which is what i LOVE about Marshalls)tones i got from that thing. I decided then that i would own one for a backup at some point.I will say i prefer the DSL100's,401,201 and50 in that order and the JTM45-50 and plexi's as well as 2204,SL-X,MKIII,TSL100/60 and 4500's in that order. i would and WILL own all of these at some point.mind you the jtm's and plexi's are better soundung to me in many ways they're on this list where they're at because of my hi gain requirements.
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You know guys? I have to say and this is honestly that, EVERY Marshall i've played and that includes the MG series sound pretty good when dialed in. I know we all have our preferences but, i have yet to play one i didn't find some tone in that i loved. the MG100HDFX 1 i played a while back was killer for a cheap SS amp after diling it in. not a tube amp by far but, i was pleasantly surprised at the mean and sweet (and combined/which is what i LOVE about Marshalls)tones i got from that thing. I decided then that i would own one for a backup at some point.I will say i prefer the DSL100's,401,201 and50 in that order and the JTM45-50 and plexi's as well as 2204,SL-X,MKIII,TSL100/60 and 4500's in that order. i would and WILL own all of these at some point.mind you the jtm's and plexi's are better soundung to me in many ways they're on this list where they're at because of my hi gain requirements.
I agree with you on that 100%.
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The Solid State Marshalls from the 80's were ok. The cleans were mediocre but with the gain dimed (or close to that), they were allright.
The in-between tones where you'd want say a "dirty" clean were bad. The transistion into breakup was very rough and was pretty much un-useable IMO.
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I find that fact very strange as usually SS Amps have cleans to die for, that's why the Jazz Players like those Roland 120s.

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I find that fact very strange as usually SS Amps have cleans to die for, that's why the Jazz Players like those Roland 120s.

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I don't know if i've played any 80's SS Marshall's but, the ones i listed are the ones i have played and i found something likeable and useable in all of them. i think for what i do the DSL and TSL series are the route but, that doesn't make either my favorite technicaly. I do love my DSL though and the TSL60 i had was alright. it really shined when it was turned up past 3 on the volume though and it was definitely counter intuitive dialing it in but, once i had it dialed in i liked it. The DSL on the other hand is pretty intuitive and sounds great at low volumes too which is the major plus on its end and the cleans i definitely like on the DSL more than the TSL. One thing i loved about the TSL was that it got TIGHTER as the volume went up. That's definitely a modern voiced amp and modern in response. I think the cleans on the 100 are probably better though. the DSL really the ONLY complaint i have is that it broke down on me a month post purchase and that's NEVER happened to me with any (and i've owned MANY) amps. The tones it gets are worth it though. I just hope she doesn't break down again aside from routine maintanance ala tubes,caps,pots and fuses as i won't be able to afford keeping it at that point.The TSL's scare me a bit though as well with all the bias pot problems i've read about and in cleveland you can't sell a TSL series and are hard pressed to sell a DSL because of the rumors of maintance problems. To that i say, try it ONCE and see if you think it's not worth it because the DSL surely is worth a one time bench easy especialy for the used prices. I guess with the TSL i'd have to wait until i read up more on swapping out problem parts but, once that's done it's on my list again just this time it'll be the 100.
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oh crap i left out the 6100...i haven't played one but, that's next on my list. then an SL-X,MKIII and TSL100.
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oh crap i left out the 6100...i haven't played one but, that's next on my list. then an SL-X,MKIII and TSL100.
I bought a 6100 in 1994 new.....great amp head.....I must have played 500 gigs (not exaggerating) with that amp head before it got rip from me a few years ago.
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aw that sux man! someone stole it?
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That and an Andy Timmons Ibanez Guitar at a gig one night.
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Too many knobs!!!!!!!!!
Yea knobs are scary... it's almost like they'll snatch your fingers if there's "too many" of them.

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It's not that hard...
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Yeah...I tried a TSL...loved the sound...just too damned many knobs.....I LOVE my DSL...not better...just my particular cup 'o tea
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I had DSL 50/100 and TSL60/100

None of them really excited me with but stayed with TSL60 for last 3 years.

The DSL sounded like too middy and trebley to me and too loose, the new DSL100H totally SUCKS!!!

TSL better for me in mix with rock cover band when cranked up, like the master volume as well so I can use channel gain and volume to get great mix. I run gain on crunch at 6-7 and volume same and have a hand wired Tube Screamer which helps ALOT! Sounds great for main channel.

Lead channel needs gain cut back to 3-4 and it works well for solo's. Sounds close to crunch with some saturation but clear on solo's.

I read about everyone complaining about shared EQ. LOL! Never bothered me.

Clean is very good

Thought the loop on TSL100 was little better than 60.

Still searching for better amp, may go back to JCM800.

DSL100 and TSL100 too much volume for small venues around town.

Never understood the DSL love fest? TSL's are great too. I got a good tone out of it. Could not get good tone from DSL in Lead1 and 2.

I would like to check out the JVM205H?

Marshall needs to get back to basics and less modern features. 2 channel amp, simple, loop, clean and crunch, Master volume, EQ, presence, and resonance. OK reverb. Sounds like a JCM 800 2205, but lets make it simple and all tube! Handwired?
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