Slash__

I got a question about Slash's tone:
Does Slash turn down his brigde pickup a bit when he's playing with dirty tone? I have a Silver Jubilee (with Slash settings) and Gibson Les Paul With Alnico II pickups, but I think the sound is to "sharp". Any suggestions? Change tubes to groove tubes? Celestion Vintage G12 30's?

steelhorse

Have you tried tweaking the tone on the amp and the guitar slightly to reduce the highs? You could also look into putting an EQ into the loop and fine tuning your tone from there as well.

Years ago I would try to nail certain artists tone(s) but over the years I've learned there are too many variables involved to sound just like them although I have gotten close.

Nowadays, it's more important for me to sound original rather than someone else and to dig what I'm doing and having fun with what I'm playing.

Don't get me wrong I still think it's cool to emulate the folks that inspire you but I no longer obsess about it!

Slash__

I just think it sounds too bright and sharp like theres something else than the settings. Could it be a bad tube? I've tried to turn down treble on the amp, but I still think it's to bright. Could be that the room I play in is to small with that kind of volume level and that's the reason why it sound bright??

Adwex

What speakers do you have?

Slash__

I have the 2551A cab with Celestion G12 - 75 W speakers I think.

Adwex

The G12T's aren't the greatest speaker in the world, they're not very "smooth", and can sound harsh. A speaker with better mids would probably make the Jub sound better. Maybe you should consider V30's, or G12H's or G12M's.

Slash uses V30's.

Slash__

I'm about to buy a 2x12 orange cabinet with V30's to my orange rocker combo. Can I plug the silver jubilee into that thing?

paul

iv got a jubilee 2558 combo and i dont get an exact slash sound either, i reckon my sweet child tone is about 90%, thats with an epiphon lp with alnico 2 pickups, i also have a gibson l/p with burstbuckers and i think i get a better tone with that, iv got jje34l valves in mines, im sure iv seen in other forum grover valves are other makes rebranded, is this true?

Slash__

I'm going to get groove tubes when I'm gonna change tubes in the Jubilee it's just so frustrating that it sound so bright! I know that Slash's got a compressor and some other effects and I bet his jubilee's and signatures are in 100% top shape ;-)

RnRjUnKiE

Slap a wah wah in front of your LP and you'll come even closer to most of his sounds.

Groove Tubes are relabled (and tested) Chinese tubes.

You can use the Orange Cab with your Jubilee, but why not try to get the original Jubilee cabinet to match the head? I will increase in value along with the head over the years, as well as give you what you need. You can normally find the jubilee cabinets all over the place.

Edit: Watch this for more tips: Slash config on youtube

Adwex

Sure, why not.

steelhorse

Other than changing the speakers I can attest to the fact that changing the tubes to JJ E34L's (not EL34's) from Euro Tubes (instead of a repackaged GT) will definitely bring the shrillness down. Before I cahnged from the GT EL34's to the JJ E34L's I had to use my EQ to bring the lows up and turn the highs down, after the tube swap it's almost the opposite but far more balanced. I've been playing without EQ since and it sounds great.

Slash__

Isnt the 2551A silver cabinet the original cabinet. I thought it came with two different cabinets - One with G12 - 70/75 W and one with Vintage 30's

Marshall Amps Info & Schematics

Put the wah wah between the amp and LP or in the effect loop?
What kind of speakers are used in the Slash signature cabinet? V30's? I live in Norway and the Silver Jubilee rarely pops up very often, but I've seen some Slash Marshall's.

steelhorse

Hm, I wouldn't rely on the wah to get the Slash sound although it certainly helps as far as thru the loop, let me know how that goes if you decide to go that route. I've personally never tried it so it'd be interesting to learn how that works.

Slash__

okey I'll test it. My MXR EQ is too loud through the loop but sounds great between the amp and guitar for solos, but then it takes the egde of the tone when it not turned on, just on standby. Maybe the Wah Wah works better in the FX loop.

steelhorse

The EQ is much better via the FX Loop. If it's too loud, dial the loop control(s) back until you find the sweet spot.

Let me know how that works for you. Not sure why it would bleed through from the front I thought they were true bypass but maybe not. I definitely don't have that issue going through the fx loop.

Keep us posted.

RnRjUnKiE

Model Description
2550 50/25 watt lead head with 3-way gain switching (pull pot and 2-way footswitch)
2551A 4x12 1960A-style (angled) cabinet in silver vinyl, loaded with either Celestion G12-70's or G12-75's
2551AV As above, only loaded with Celestion Vintage 30 speakers
2551B 4x12 1960B-style (bottom) cabinet in silver vinyl, loaded with either Celestion G12-70's or G12-75's
2551BV As above, only loaded with Celestion Vintage 30 speakers
2553 50/25 watt lead head in small cabinet for mini stack
2554 50/25 watt lead combo with 1-12" Celestion speaker and same channel switching as 2550
2555 100/50 watt lead head with same channel switching as 2550
2556A 2x12 angled cabinet in silver vinyl, loaded with either Celestion G12-70's or G12-75's, and based on model 1966 mini stack to fit 2553 head
2556AV As above, only loaded with Celestion Vintage 30's
2556B 2x12 bottom (straight) cabinet in silver vinyl, loaded with either Celestion G12-70's or G12-75's, and based on model 1966 mini stack to fit 2553 head
2556BV As above, only loaded with Celestion Vintage 30's
2558 50/25 watt lead combo with 2-12" Celestion speakers and same channel switching as 2550

U can try for a 2551AV or 2551BV

Slash__

are there loop controls for the volume in the FX loop or do you mean the controls on the EQ? I've tried to find the 2551AV/BV but no results.

RnRjUnKiE

There are no volume controls on the Jubilee for the FX. You'll need to adjust the effects in your loop.

Try placing an ad in the classifieds here, maybe someone close enough to you has one.

Which cabinet are you using now?

Slash__

So I should start with everything on the EQ at zero and go from there? I've got a Dr.Z Airbrake attenuator I can put in between the amp and the cab as well to get the volum down a bit, but I think te amp sounds better without it.

VintageGitar

DF88

Hi !, well I've got a 2554 combo with both a Vintage 30 speaker and groove tubes, so lets say the classic combination, but in terms of getting that "slash tone" it has really made a big difference when I plugged in my Slash Signature Wah (that cool red one ... ) for the first time.
Give it a try, it really should make a difference. I dont use it via the FX loops though, just straight into the amp ...

Slash__

Slash didn't use that red signature WAh in Guns N Roses and it's the Appetite/Use Your Illusion tour/records sound i'm hoping to get as close as possible. I think Slash plugs the Wah straight into the amp, that's what Adam Day told Dunlop TV

YouTube - DunlopTV - Adam Day, guitar tech for Slash

DF88

yeah thats right, but since its his signature wah I guess its based on the pedals he used in the "old days", just like he did with his amps (2555->2555SL ...), dont you think ? on the other hand you'll never be able to copy especially the appetite sound for 100%, its just about getting close to it ...

RnRjUnKiE

You have to have a red Marlboro hanging out of your mouth with heroin pumping through your veins to get that tone...I'm sure even Slash doesn't know how he managed that.

It's was a combination of his LP copy, that modified Marshall, as well as probaly a lot of stuff he used at the studio. This combined with the raw power of being broke and wanting to play his ass off for the chance to make some more money for smack make for a hell of a tone.

You "could" get his signature wah, but you would be more versatile with other models out there. I hang my wah right in front of the amp.