jcm800 2203 - jcm800 2203kk - Page 20

jupiter89 · 09-21-2011, 07:34 PM

I wouldn't hold it against her if she shaved her tolex !

tonyl · 09-22-2011, 04:21 AM

Good morning everyone

JayCM800 · 09-22-2011, 11:58 AM

Hello!

5digits6strings · 09-22-2011, 04:17 PM

So I still haven't had a chance to try out my new 2203KK at band practice, but it seems my suspicions involving the "Beast" mode are confirmed. That gate is just too quirky for me. I generally plug right into a NS-2 so that it kills any hum from my guitar and surrounding lighting/neon, and let any pedals that add gain/noise just do their thing. However, it seems like the gate on the KK comes after the boost, no? Either way, the decay tends to be a little rough...and touchy. On the other hand, the NS-2 pretty much eliminates this issue, because one can set the decay to minimum/(immediate) and adjust the threshold to taste. That would have been a nice feature on the KK. Also, the minimum boost setting on the Beast mode is set a touch too high for me, and just becomes absurd past 12:00, IMO. So, here's what I found works best for me (at 1/4 volume):

Hardtail Strat with SH-5 humbucker-->NS-2-->Xotic EP Booster (on level 1.5/10, +bass boost +bright)-->other pedals-->2203KK, (gain maxed).

Ah, just a touch more bass and treble, a few more dB gain, some added saturation, and a more natural tone than with the Beast "frowny face" boost.

So now the question is...since I'm not using the Beast features, and it's essentially a non-"handwired" KT88 JCM800 (no snobbery intended), do I keep it or flip it for an EL34 "handwired" JCM800? I still like the way the mids sit better on my tried-and-true EL34 Emplexador 50, but I'm looking for more thunk and headroom for some heavier material my band is working on. Hrmm...

Wiseblood · 09-22-2011, 05:15 PM

What do you find quirky about the gate? I find it works perfectly. One point about the gate is, if you have the amp on but the stand by off (so there's no sound) and you turn your guitar up the gate will pick up your signal and you can see it go from red to green and back as you play/mute the strings - no sound comes out of the speakers obviously because the stand by isn't turned on. Not sure if this helps you understand the way the gate is wired in or not, but an observation I did notice that I though I'd share.

I'd say try the amp in a band situation first before you decide. If you do decide to look into another 2203 you may want to try one with 6550's. You mentioned you like the EL34's (mids) but want more thunk, the 6550's are a nice in between to the KT88's and the EL34's, still lots of mids and good bottom end, more bottom than the EL's but less than the KT's.

JayCM800 · 09-22-2011, 06:13 PM

5digits6strings, you're doing it wrong!

Take note: Guitar>cable>amp that's all you need!

Let's say the 2203KK it's a "Raw hardcore" amp, not an "artsy-fartsy hipster" amp

Neylus · 09-22-2011, 06:23 PM

I'm going to buy a '84 JCM 800 2203 soon, SO HAPPY BUDDYS !
I have a VintageModern right now, I WANT THAT 2203, second dream amp after the 2555.

jammattjam · 09-22-2011, 06:25 PM

ns2 plus the 2203kk noise gate is too much gate

jupiter89 · 09-22-2011, 10:47 PM

Wow Tonyl, I wouldn't mind it if she could hug like she's hugging that bass. What an angel !

diesel king · 09-23-2011, 12:14 AM

5digits, remember the gate knob is 'backwards', set it lower and crank the amp loud. The assault has a shit ton of gain. I hardly have the assault past noon and it sounds brutal.

tonyl · 09-23-2011, 05:02 AM

Good morning everyone!

@5digits6strings: As I wrote on a previous page of this thread, the way Mr. Santiago built the "10 band EQ" and "Noise Gate" are not hard to understand. They are built-in the amp with the traditional 4 cable method - and yes - the "10 band EQ" and the "Noise Gate" are after the "stock" part of the JCM800. All these features are active when the "Beast" button is engaged.

Because you wrote that you use a gate with the 2203KFK, I will share with you a link, with someone asking Mr. Santiago aboout a similar question.

JVM Forum • View topic - 2203KK built in gate question for Santiago

As for the tone/sound you wrote that you love to have but you are confused of keeping this amp or buy a new.
Well, my friend the KT88 tubes are the big brother of EL34 tube. These tubes (EL34) have the ability to distort earlier than KT88 or 6550 power tubes.

By the way, please notice that the 2203KK head it does have a "10 band EQ" but only the "curve" of the boosted mids. That means that you can't scoop the mids when you activate the "Beast" button only boost them.
That's why you feel more confortable when you play on an other amp or you don't use at all the "Beast" button. When you have added boost, plus bright, plus other features from outboard equipment and then you engage it it sounds shit.

And here comes the point where I agree with what Wiseblood wrote. 6550 power tubes have the ability to distort later and are "clean" power tube. See Zakk Wylde the way he use his amp. He puts a lot of pedals in front of his amp who are equipped with 6550 power tubes. Plus he uses EMG pickups who have the ability to be noiseless and his speakers (EV12L) who do they same thing. They stay "clean".

There are rumors that a signature Marshall will be released with 6550 power tubes plus "EV" speaker natch cab. I am refering to the upcoming(?) Zakk Wylde signature. You can wait for it (I know, I do

) or if you can find a mid-80's early 90's JCM800 with 6550 or EL34 (your choise) you are OK with that.

So, in my opinion, it would be better to try a different amp and check if you are OK with it.

5digits6strings · 09-23-2011, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiseblood

What do you find quirky about the gate? I find it works perfectly...I'd say try the amp in a band situation first before you decide. If you do decide to look into another 2203 you may want to try one with 6550's. You mentioned you like the EL34's (mids) but want more thunk, the 6550's are a nice in between to the KT88's and the EL34's, still lots of mids and good bottom end, more bottom than the EL's but less than the KT's.

Thanks for the advice. Again, the issue with the gate is that it stutters the decay a bit and seems a bit touchy. With the NS-2 right after my guitar, I don't have this effect...and it clamps immediately when set fully counter-clockwise on the decay. There's a touch of delay with the built-in gate at any usable setting before about 11:00 going counter-clockwise. It may not be detectable in a full volume situation, but it bothers me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayCM800

5digits6strings, you're doing it wrong!

Take note: Guitar>cable>amp that's all you need!

Let's say the 2203KK it's a "Raw hardcore" amp, not an "artsy-fartsy hipster" amp

I guess I'll go back to my "artsy-fartsy hipster" Top Hat Emplexador then.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jammattjam

ns2 plus the 2203kk noise gate is too much gate

Never said I was using both at the same time. Instead of the Beast mode I was using an EP booster after a NS-2, to boost and silence the amp.

Either way, still a cool amp. I'll just have to reserve any additional comments until I get it use it with the band.

JayCM800 · 09-23-2011, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5digits6strings

I guess I'll go back to my "artsy-fartsy" hipster Top Hat Emplexador then.

Cool stuff!

But way different amp compared to a 2203KK!!

Like a tuxedo vs. a leather jacket

JayCM800 · 09-23-2011, 11:38 AM

Where to plug in?

5digits6strings · 09-23-2011, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayCM800

Cool stuff!

But way different amp compared to a 2203KK!!

Like a tuxedo vs. a leather jacket

Maybe James Bond's tuxedo.

...but not quite as different as you'd think. That thing breathes fire!

JayCM800 · 09-23-2011, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5digits6strings

Maybe James Bond's tuxedo.

...but not quite as different as you'd think. That thing breathes fire!

This one would go well with a tuxedo:

And this one with a leather jacket:

Blisster · 09-23-2011, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diesel king

5digits, remember the gate knob is 'backwards', set it lower and crank the amp loud. The assault has a shit ton of gain. I hardly have the assault past noon and it sounds brutal.

yeah, no shit! When I first got it I had the preamp gain at about 3:00 and the Assault at about 3:00 and asked our other guitarist if I "had enough gain".....

I play with both right around 12:00 and its still pretty intense.

Love that ****in' amp, but hey, I'm a simple man.

diesel king · 09-24-2011, 02:28 AM

Amen to that Blisster... dial it back a bit and you get thunderous punch with plenty of gain I ****ing love it!

tonyl · 09-24-2011, 05:02 AM

Good morning

The "sweetie of the day" goes to...

jupiter89 · 09-24-2011, 02:45 PM

Remove the tube, it's running way too hot

JayCM800 · 09-24-2011, 02:53 PM

Have a good weekend!

Wiseblood · 09-24-2011, 02:57 PM

Damn tonyl, nice pic! Maybe the "sweetie of the year"!

Neylus · 09-24-2011, 03:09 PM

Is there a mod for the JCM 800 to sound like the Jubs ?

tonyl · 09-25-2011, 05:59 AM

Hello Neylus. I honestly don't know but I found this thread for you.
You can of course use the forum to ask. I would like to know, just from curiosity too.

MetroAmp.com Forum • View topic - Help to mod my JCM800 to #34 specs

tonyl · 09-25-2011, 06:01 AM

Damn... PUPPIEEEEEEEES

Neylus · 09-25-2011, 06:14 AM

I know that #34 mod, but it's not the Jubilee sound

diesel king · 09-25-2011, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyl

Damn... PUPPIEEEEEEEES

I love big titties

alvinratsim · 09-25-2011, 09:21 AM

hey guys!

jupiter89 · 09-25-2011, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyl

Damn... PUPPIEEEEEEEES

That is such a shame they're caged up like that. You can see they are just begging to be free !

Wiseblood · 09-25-2011, 12:11 PM

jupiter89 - your right on the money brother, damn man!

09-21-2011, 07:34 PM	#571 (permalink)
jupiter89 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: SE USA Posts: 843	Re: jcm800 2203 - jcm800 2203kk I wouldn't hold it against her if she shaved her tolex ! Wiseblood and tonyl like this.

09-22-2011, 04:21 AM	#572 (permalink)
tonyl Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 840	Re: jcm800 2203 - jcm800 2203kk Good morning everyone Harlequin tusk and Wiseblood like this. __________________

09-22-2011, 11:58 AM	#573 (permalink)
JayCM800 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York, New York Posts: 4,274	Re: jcm800 2203 - jcm800 2203kk Hello! Wiseblood and tonyl like this. __________________ Disclaimer: Just my .02 cents, In my honest opinion, Your mileage may vary...

09-22-2011, 04:17 PM	#574 (permalink)
5digits6strings Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: South Florida, USA Posts: 9	Re: jcm800 2203 - jcm800 2203kk So I still haven't had a chance to try out my new 2203KK at band practice, but it seems my suspicions involving the "Beast" mode are confirmed. That gate is just too quirky for me. I generally plug right into a NS-2 so that it kills any hum from my guitar and surrounding lighting/neon, and let any pedals that add gain/noise just do their thing. However, it seems like the gate on the KK comes after the boost, no? Either way, the decay tends to be a little rough...and touchy. On the other hand, the NS-2 pretty much eliminates this issue, because one can set the decay to minimum/(immediate) and adjust the threshold to taste. That would have been a nice feature on the KK. Also, the minimum boost setting on the Beast mode is set a touch too high for me, and just becomes absurd past 12:00, IMO. So, here's what I found works best for me (at 1/4 volume): Hardtail Strat with SH-5 humbucker-->NS-2-->Xotic EP Booster (on level 1.5/10, +bass boost +bright)-->other pedals-->2203KK, (gain maxed). Ah, just a touch more bass and treble, a few more dB gain, some added saturation, and a more natural tone than with the Beast "frowny face" boost. So now the question is...since I'm not using the Beast features, and it's essentially a non-"handwired" KT88 JCM800 (no snobbery intended), do I keep it or flip it for an EL34 "handwired" JCM800? I still like the way the mids sit better on my tried-and-true EL34 Emplexador 50, but I'm looking for more thunk and headroom for some heavier material my band is working on. Hrmm...

09-22-2011, 05:15 PM	#575 (permalink)
Wiseblood Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: The Pit Posts: 1,386	Re: jcm800 2203 - jcm800 2203kk What do you find quirky about the gate? I find it works perfectly. One point about the gate is, if you have the amp on but the stand by off (so there's no sound) and you turn your guitar up the gate will pick up your signal and you can see it go from red to green and back as you play/mute the strings - no sound comes out of the speakers obviously because the stand by isn't turned on. Not sure if this helps you understand the way the gate is wired in or not, but an observation I did notice that I though I'd share. I'd say try the amp in a band situation first before you decide. If you do decide to look into another 2203 you may want to try one with 6550's. You mentioned you like the EL34's (mids) but want more thunk, the 6550's are a nice in between to the KT88's and the EL34's, still lots of mids and good bottom end, more bottom than the EL's but less than the KT's. tonyl likes this. __________________ Wiseblood Jackson King V (EMG 81/85) > Randall RG100ES > Marshall 1960BV

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09-22-2011, 06:13 PM	#576 (permalink)
JayCM800 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York, New York Posts: 4,274	Re: jcm800 2203 - jcm800 2203kk 5digits6strings, you're doing it wrong! Take note: Guitar>cable>amp that's all you need! Let's say the 2203KK it's a "Raw hardcore" amp, not an "artsy-fartsy hipster" amp Wiseblood, diesel king, tonyl and 1 others like this. __________________ Disclaimer: Just my .02 cents, In my honest opinion, Your mileage may vary...

09-22-2011, 06:23 PM	#577 (permalink)
Neylus Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 457	Re: jcm800 2203 - jcm800 2203kk I'm going to buy a '84 JCM 800 2203 soon, SO HAPPY BUDDYS ! I have a VintageModern right now, I WANT THAT 2203, second dream amp after the 2555. JayCM800 likes this. __________________ '08 Gibson Les Paul Studio '11 Gibson Les Paul Tribute 50 Humbucker Goldtop (w/ Seymour Duncan Alnico 2 Pro) '11 Mex. Fender Stratocaster '96 Marshall 2555SL Slash Jubilee '11 Marshall AFD100 '11 Marshall 1960AV (V30's) '08 Marshall MG15CDR

09-22-2011, 06:25 PM	#578 (permalink)
jammattjam Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Next to my Marshall in Atlanta Posts: 409	Re: jcm800 2203 - jcm800 2203kk ns2 plus the 2203kk noise gate is too much gate JayCM800 likes this.

09-22-2011, 10:47 PM	#579 (permalink)
jupiter89 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: SE USA Posts: 843	Re: jcm800 2203 - jcm800 2203kk Wow Tonyl, I wouldn't mind it if she could hug like she's hugging that bass. What an angel ! tonyl likes this.

09-23-2011, 12:14 AM	#580 (permalink)
diesel king Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: UK Posts: 1,129	Re: jcm800 2203 - jcm800 2203kk 5digits, remember the gate knob is 'backwards', set it lower and crank the amp loud. The assault has a shit ton of gain. I hardly have the assault past noon and it sounds brutal. Harlequin tusk, Wiseblood and JayCM800 like this. __________________ JCM800 KK

09-23-2011, 05:02 AM	#581 (permalink)
tonyl Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 840	Re: jcm800 2203 - jcm800 2203kk Good morning everyone! @5digits6strings: As I wrote on a previous page of this thread, the way Mr. Santiago built the "10 band EQ" and "Noise Gate" are not hard to understand. They are built-in the amp with the traditional 4 cable method - and yes - the "10 band EQ" and the "Noise Gate" are after the "stock" part of the JCM800. All these features are active when the "Beast" button is engaged. Because you wrote that you use a gate with the 2203KFK, I will share with you a link, with someone asking Mr. Santiago aboout a similar question. JVM Forum • View topic - 2203KK built in gate question for Santiago As for the tone/sound you wrote that you love to have but you are confused of keeping this amp or buy a new. Well, my friend the KT88 tubes are the big brother of EL34 tube. These tubes (EL34) have the ability to distort earlier than KT88 or 6550 power tubes. By the way, please notice that the 2203KK head it does have a "10 band EQ" but only the "curve" of the boosted mids. That means that you can't scoop the mids when you activate the "Beast" button only boost them. That's why you feel more confortable when you play on an other amp or you don't use at all the "Beast" button. When you have added boost, plus bright, plus other features from outboard equipment and then you engage it it sounds shit. And here comes the point where I agree with what Wiseblood wrote. 6550 power tubes have the ability to distort later and are "clean" power tube. See Zakk Wylde the way he use his amp. He puts a lot of pedals in front of his amp who are equipped with 6550 power tubes. Plus he uses EMG pickups who have the ability to be noiseless and his speakers (EV12L) who do they same thing. They stay "clean". There are rumors that a signature Marshall will be released with 6550 power tubes plus "EV" speaker natch cab. I am refering to the upcoming(?) Zakk Wylde signature. You can wait for it (I know, I do ) or if you can find a mid-80's early 90's JCM800 with 6550 or EL34 (your choise) you are OK with that. So, in my opinion, it would be better to try a different amp and check if you are OK with it. Wiseblood, diesel king and JayCM800 like this. __________________

09-23-2011, 11:38 AM	#584 (permalink)
JayCM800 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York, New York Posts: 4,274	Re: jcm800 2203 - jcm800 2203kk Where to plug in? __________________ Disclaimer: Just my .02 cents, In my honest opinion, Your mileage may vary...

09-24-2011, 02:28 AM	#588 (permalink)
diesel king Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: UK Posts: 1,129	Re: jcm800 2203 - jcm800 2203kk Amen to that Blisster... dial it back a bit and you get thunderous punch with plenty of gain I ****ing love it! Wiseblood and JayCM800 like this. __________________ JCM800 KK

09-24-2011, 05:02 AM	#589 (permalink)
tonyl Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 840	Re: jcm800 2203 - jcm800 2203kk Good morning The "sweetie of the day" goes to... Wiseblood and JayCM800 like this. __________________

09-24-2011, 02:45 PM	#590 (permalink)
jupiter89 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: SE USA Posts: 843	Re: jcm800 2203 - jcm800 2203kk Remove the tube, it's running way too hot tonyl likes this.

09-24-2011, 02:53 PM	#591 (permalink)
JayCM800 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York, New York Posts: 4,274	Re: jcm800 2203 - jcm800 2203kk Have a good weekend! tonyl likes this. __________________ Disclaimer: Just my .02 cents, In my honest opinion, Your mileage may vary...

09-24-2011, 02:57 PM	#592 (permalink)
Wiseblood Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: The Pit Posts: 1,386	Re: jcm800 2203 - jcm800 2203kk Damn tonyl, nice pic! Maybe the "sweetie of the year"! tonyl likes this. __________________ Wiseblood Jackson King V (EMG 81/85) > Randall RG100ES > Marshall 1960BV

09-24-2011, 03:09 PM	#593 (permalink)
Neylus Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 457	Re: jcm800 2203 - jcm800 2203kk Is there a mod for the JCM 800 to sound like the Jubs ? __________________ '08 Gibson Les Paul Studio '11 Gibson Les Paul Tribute 50 Humbucker Goldtop (w/ Seymour Duncan Alnico 2 Pro) '11 Mex. Fender Stratocaster '96 Marshall 2555SL Slash Jubilee '11 Marshall AFD100 '11 Marshall 1960AV (V30's) '08 Marshall MG15CDR

09-25-2011, 05:59 AM	#594 (permalink)
tonyl Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 840	Re: jcm800 2203 - jcm800 2203kk Hello Neylus. I honestly don't know but I found this thread for you. You can of course use the forum to ask. I would like to know, just from curiosity too. MetroAmp.com Forum • View topic - Help to mod my JCM800 to #34 specs __________________

09-25-2011, 06:01 AM	#595 (permalink)
tonyl Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 840	Re: jcm800 2203 - jcm800 2203kk Damn... PUPPIEEEEEEEES Wiseblood and diesel king like this. __________________

09-25-2011, 06:14 AM	#596 (permalink)
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09-25-2011, 12:11 PM	#600 (permalink)
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