Accept's 200 watt JCM 800...

solarburnDSL50 · 05-29-2010, 09:34 PM

Got this from HC.

Here's Wolf's description of it:

This is a Marshall amp that was built/modified for me by the German Amp tuner Baldringer. It is based on a JCM 800 model and totally custom made to my specifications. There is a tuned pre-amp section that has a Volume and a Distortion control. Then, instead of just the normal mono power amp section, it has a complete additional power amp section built in. So there is a total of 8 EL 34 tubes and two output transformers! It's a beast! Additionally there are send / return left / return right jacks with trim pots. Great for stereo effects. This baby is heavy (literally and figuratively) and has simply incredible power. I used it for one tour (Death Row) and performed flawlessly. I ran two Marshall cabinets on each side of the stage (for a total of four) with it. If you want to hear what it sounds like just check out the “Death Row” or “The Final Chapter” albums. If you ever thought of running a stereo guitar setup this is one serious amp! One word of caution, however. Since this a true stereo amp, you must connect at least one speaker on each side at all times.
My Gear - In case you care | Dinosaur Rock Guitar

In case peeps don't know Accept:

You Tube

longfxukxnhair · 05-29-2010, 09:41 PM

What a ****ing beast!

NewReligion · 05-29-2010, 09:41 PM

I'll bet she gets real damned hot too. Awesome Amp!

David

David C. Hopkins on MySpace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures & Music Downloads

Wycked Lester · 05-29-2010, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solarburnDSL50

YouTube - Accept - Balls To The Wall

God Damn would ya listen to that muther ****ing marshall growl.. Jesus Christ.

MartyStrat54 · 05-30-2010, 05:13 PM

Does the power transformer look bigger? It doesn't to me. It should be a huge MO FO. Just the heaters in the power tubes would be drawing 12 amps. That amp would have to have a heavy duty power cord as well, because I feel this would be an amp capable of over 15 amps of current.

Now since a 200 watt amp is only 3dB louder than a 100 watt amp, it would seem that it would be more efficient to use two, 100 watt amps. This way, if you want to run in stereo, you have two independent tone controls instead of one shared tone control.

If the amp is built with the proper components, there is no doubting that it would have massive headroom. I'm just saying two heads are as good as this one. (Did he have a spare?)

It does however look cool.

surface54 · 05-30-2010, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wycked Lester

God Damn would ya listen to that muther ****ing marshall growl.. Jesus Christ.

i cant agree more what a perfect example of marshalls tone!! WOW!

jcmjmp · 05-30-2010, 08:25 PM

I remember when Balls to the wall came out. They were so heavy back in those days compared to the other "mainstream" hard rock/metal bands. Love the vocals too.

longfxukxnhair · 05-30-2010, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcmjmp

I remember when Balls to the wall came out. They were so heavy back in those days compared to the other "mainstream" hard rock/metal bands. Love the vocals too.

Udo is a little man with a big voice!

nedcronin · 05-30-2010, 09:56 PM

Saw Accept open for Iron Maiden Powerslave tour....A night off ass kickin tone to the bone

surface54 · 05-30-2010, 11:01 PM

im 30 and i still respect and love all of the 80s metal bands, i hate to say it but alot of newer bands think they rock harder and have evolved metal but just because its louder sonically and pushed to the red doesnt means its more metal. some 80s music is just pure awesome theatrically, only few bands still possess this, like Opeth to name one.

Rockin_Lisa · 05-30-2010, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcmjmp

I remember when Balls to the wall came out. They were so heavy back in those days compared to the other "mainstream" hard rock/metal bands. Love the vocals too.

You're so right. That was a song that stuck with ya.

Jesstaa · 05-31-2010, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

Does the power transformer look bigger? It doesn't to me. It should be a huge MO FO. Just the heaters in the power tubes would be drawing 12 amps. That amp would have to have a heavy duty power cord as well, because I feel this would be an amp capable of over 15 amps of current.

Now since a 200 watt amp is only 3dB louder than a 100 watt amp, it would seem that it would be more efficient to use two, 100 watt amps. This way, if you want to run in stereo, you have two independent tone controls instead of one shared tone control.

If the amp is built with the proper components, there is no doubting that it would have massive headroom. I'm just saying two heads are as good as this one. (Did he have a spare?)

It does however look cool.

For touring it's probably easier to just have one massive head.
And I don't think the intention was more volume, but more raw power. That's why I love 100watt amps, may not be much louder than a 50watt, but damn it's got kick. If Marshall made normal amps in 50/100/200, I'd probably get a 200watter.

Edit: I guess the key to 80's metal is just to kick everything up a notch and really crank it to 11.

Buggs.Crosby · 05-31-2010, 08:35 AM

i was the Balls ro the Eall tour....it was with Krokus and Ruff Cut.....Wolf is in my top 5 and he has great phrasing

YouTube - Accept "Love Child"

Wycked Lester · 05-31-2010, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesstaa

For touring it's probably easier to just have one massive head.
And I don't think the intention was more volume, but more raw power. That's why I love 100watt amps, may not be much louder than a 50watt, but damn it's got kick. If Marshall made normal amps in 50/100/200, I'd probably get a 200watter.

Edit: I guess the key to 80's metal is just to kick everything up a notch and really crank it to 11.

It is probably so he can run stereo with one head.

Wilder Amplification · 06-01-2010, 12:18 PM

I'm currently working on a new power transformer design. There's absolutely nothing like it on the market. It makes its own current.

Not to piss on the parade and tell you all that there's no Santa Clause, but there is no way in hell that power tranny can source the amount of current required to give a 200 watt output/100 watts stereo...not to mention a total of 12 amps heater current just for the power valves alone (75 watts of power being consumed by just the power valve heaters alone)...unless there's a 2nd PT that we don't know about. Adding an OT and 4 more valves drops the load impedance on the power supply to allow the load to draw that current from the PT, but if the PT ain't big enough to source it you're not gonna get it.

Pushed hard enough it would sag the shit out of the power supply voltage, not to mention you can roast that PT quicker than shit trying to get that current though. Either way I call bullshit.

Marshall Mann · 06-01-2010, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilder Amplification

I'm currently working on a new power transformer design. There's absolutely nothing like it on the market. It makes its own current.

Not to piss on the parade and tell you all that there's no Santa Clause, but there is no way in hell that power tranny can source the amount of current required to give a 200 watt output/100 watts stereo...not to mention a total of 12 amps heater current just for the power valves alone (75 watts of power being consumed by just the power valve heaters alone)...unless there's a 2nd PT that we don't know about. Adding an OT and 4 more valves drops the load impedance on the power supply to allow the load to draw that current from the PT, but if the PT ain't big enough to source it you're not gonna get it.

Pushed hard enough it would sag the shit out of the power supply voltage, not to mention you can roast that PT quicker than shit trying to get that current though. Either way I call bullshit.

Yep, no way! Plus he toured with it! No way he was looking for a new new OT on the road every couple of weeks!

I'm thinking based on this statement -"it has a complete additional power amp section built in", there must be another OT on the left side we can not see. But how the hell did he get them stuffed in there???

Bret138 · 06-01-2010, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marshall Mann

Yep, no way! Plus he toured with it! No way he was looking for a new new OT on the road every couple of weeks!

I'm thinking based on this statement -"it has a complete additional power amp section built in", there must be another OT on the left side we can not see. But how the hell did he get them stuffed in there???

No no, what they are talking about is the power transformer. The OP stated that there is in fact two output transformers. I believe what Wilder is trying to say is that the power transformer wouldn't be able to supply enough power for the amp to be what is stated.

MartyStrat54 · 06-01-2010, 01:51 PM

That's what I was saying earlier in this thread. There are a lot of things I don't understand like the shared tone controls for a stereo rig. You could run a left/right signal, which I believe is what they did. It's not true stereo.

The chassis is only so big and you are putting two OPT's on it, eight EL34's, 3 or 4 preamp tubes and supposedly one power transformer.Not a lot of room for anything else. Plus, looking at the power tube spacing, I don't think it meets the required amount of air spacing between tubes. If it does, it is close.

I would have liked to see pictures of the full chassis and some other shots.

Ritchie Blackmore, Billy Gibbons and EVH all were notorious for making up stories about their amps. I'd have to see more pictures of this amp.

HOT TUBES 70 · 06-01-2010, 01:56 PM

So how would this sound compared to a Major ?

MartyStrat54 · 06-01-2010, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesstaa

If Marshall made normal amps in 50/100/200, I'd probably get a 200watter.

And when it came time to retube??? What then? Two matched quads of Winged=C='s would be expensive.

Wilder Amplification · 06-01-2010, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bret138

No no, what they are talking about is the power transformer. The OP stated that there is in fact two output transformers. I believe what Wilder is trying to say is that the power transformer wouldn't be able to supply enough power for the amp to be what is stated.

Well...transformers don't supply "power" per se. They supply voltage and current. Power is the measurement of the amount of "work" being done by said voltage and current.

But this transformer wouldn't be able to supply the CURRENT needed for the amp to put out 200 watts of power. With two OTs and two quads of power valves the load would definitely try to draw that much current, but since it can't source it it would just pull the power supply voltage down and eventually fry the PT.

Bret138 · 06-01-2010, 02:05 PM

my mistake, thank you for correcting it.

Buggs.Crosby · 06-01-2010, 02:08 PM

different tube manufacturers as well....no?....unless its laid out weird

Ken · 06-01-2010, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

Now since a 200 watt amp is only 3dB louder than a 100 watt amp, it would seem that it would be more efficient to use two, 100 watt amps. .

I'm with you. The geek in me likes the outragous approach but really now; who wants an amp that is probably a bit dodgy to begin with? I would never play a live gig with that thing unless I was ready with an A/B footswitch...

Although It WOULD mate well with one of Rick Neilson's 5 neck guitars!!

Ken

MartyStrat54 · 06-01-2010, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buggs.Crosby

different tube manufacturers as well....no?....unless its laid out weird

That's something else I brought up to Jon. A pro player is going to have choice tubes. This guy should have like eight Mullard xf2's in there. Instead, it looks like a hodgepodge of tubes.

MartyStrat54 · 06-01-2010, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken

I'm with you. The geek in me likes the outragous approach but really now; who wants an amp that is probably a bit dodgy to begin with? I would never play a live gig with that thing unless I was ready with an A/B footswitch...

Although It WOULD mate well with one of Rick Neilson's 5 neck guitars!!

Ken

Well it's like the VCR built into the TV set. If one breaks down, you are without both. If he is using this rig and one channel goes down, does he monkey in a regular 800, or does he go with two, regular 800's? To me it would be so much easier during a live show to run two 800's. If one craps out, you just stick in a backup.

That's why I asked if he had a backup for this amp.

Jesstaa · 06-01-2010, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

And when it came time to retube??? What then? Two matched quads of Winged=C='s would be expensive.

Everythings expensive here, nothing new.

tonefreak · 06-01-2010, 04:49 PM

Just imagine the bragging rights that come along with that thing!

MajorNut1967 · 06-01-2010, 05:24 PM

That amp there is a Hoax absolute BULL BUTTER. LOL That dinky ass PT can't even supply the Heater Current. LOL Heres a Major's PT, you think that half a sissy PT would do?

kbhe · 06-01-2010, 06:10 PM

Just use a 1981 jcm 800 model 2000 250w lead amp.Saw them in early 80's in Guitar Center.I wanted two,just for fun.There is your power transformer t4312.Twelve point five amps,baby! Warm for the form!

05-29-2010, 09:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
longfxukxnhair Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 24,103	Re: Accept's 200 watt JCM 800... What a ****ing beast! __________________ Phucked up from the left side down

05-29-2010, 09:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
NewReligion Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Wringing That Neck Posts: 6,763	Re: Accept's 200 watt JCM 800... I'll bet she gets real damned hot too. Awesome Amp! David David C. Hopkins on MySpace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures & Music Downloads

05-30-2010, 05:13 PM	#5 (permalink)
MartyStrat54 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Now in Muskogee, by Tulsa Posts: 18,301	Re: Accept's 200 watt JCM 800... Does the power transformer look bigger? It doesn't to me. It should be a huge MO FO. Just the heaters in the power tubes would be drawing 12 amps. That amp would have to have a heavy duty power cord as well, because I feel this would be an amp capable of over 15 amps of current. Now since a 200 watt amp is only 3dB louder than a 100 watt amp, it would seem that it would be more efficient to use two, 100 watt amps. This way, if you want to run in stereo, you have two independent tone controls instead of one shared tone control. If the amp is built with the proper components, there is no doubting that it would have massive headroom. I'm just saying two heads are as good as this one. (Did he have a spare?) It does however look cool. __________________ MARTY MARTIMUS MAXIMUS ONLINE TUBES AND OTHER STUFFHyperlink Wilder modded JCM 2204 (Sold my JMP to Joe.). Many other amps. Strats and Explorer are my main guitars.

05-30-2010, 08:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
jcmjmp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 8,116	Re: Accept's 200 watt JCM 800... I remember when Balls to the wall came out. They were so heavy back in those days compared to the other "mainstream" hard rock/metal bands. Love the vocals too.

05-30-2010, 09:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
nedcronin Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 1,445	Re: Accept's 200 watt JCM 800... Saw Accept open for Iron Maiden Powerslave tour....A night off ass kickin tone to the bone __________________ Check out my Marshall Amp Lovers facebook page if you facebook....click below Click Here if you love Marshalls! Come Join the TSL Tribe!

Today
Marshall Amps	Sponsored Links __________________ This advertising will not be shown in this way to registered members. Register your free account today and become a member on Marshall Amp Forum

05-30-2010, 11:01 PM	#10 (permalink)
surface54 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: in my head dealing with life Posts: 1,086	Re: Accept's 200 watt JCM 800... im 30 and i still respect and love all of the 80s metal bands, i hate to say it but alot of newer bands think they rock harder and have evolved metal but just because its louder sonically and pushed to the red doesnt means its more metal. some 80s music is just pure awesome theatrically, only few bands still possess this, like Opeth to name one. __________________ my Industrial music for sale here http://surfacex.bandcamp.com/ my youtube channel www.youtube.com/surfacexmusic im free to answer any questions about anything audio though im not a expert i just know my ears well

06-01-2010, 12:18 PM	#15 (permalink)
Wilder Amplification Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 6,165	Re: Accept's 200 watt JCM 800... I'm currently working on a new power transformer design. There's absolutely nothing like it on the market. It makes its own current. Not to piss on the parade and tell you all that there's no Santa Clause, but there is no way in hell that power tranny can source the amount of current required to give a 200 watt output/100 watts stereo...not to mention a total of 12 amps heater current just for the power valves alone (75 watts of power being consumed by just the power valve heaters alone)...unless there's a 2nd PT that we don't know about. Adding an OT and 4 more valves drops the load impedance on the power supply to allow the load to draw that current from the PT, but if the PT ain't big enough to source it you're not gonna get it. Pushed hard enough it would sag the shit out of the power supply voltage, not to mention you can roast that PT quicker than shit trying to get that current though. Either way I call bullshit. __________________ Jon Wilder Wilder Amplification - The official home of the 80s cock of the walk "Schwank" http://www.wilderamps.com http://www.facebook.com/wilderamps

06-01-2010, 01:51 PM	#18 (permalink)
MartyStrat54 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Now in Muskogee, by Tulsa Posts: 18,301	Re: Accept's 200 watt JCM 800... That's what I was saying earlier in this thread. There are a lot of things I don't understand like the shared tone controls for a stereo rig. You could run a left/right signal, which I believe is what they did. It's not true stereo. The chassis is only so big and you are putting two OPT's on it, eight EL34's, 3 or 4 preamp tubes and supposedly one power transformer.Not a lot of room for anything else. Plus, looking at the power tube spacing, I don't think it meets the required amount of air spacing between tubes. If it does, it is close. I would have liked to see pictures of the full chassis and some other shots. Ritchie Blackmore, Billy Gibbons and EVH all were notorious for making up stories about their amps. I'd have to see more pictures of this amp. __________________ MARTY MARTIMUS MAXIMUS ONLINE TUBES AND OTHER STUFFHyperlink Wilder modded JCM 2204 (Sold my JMP to Joe.). Many other amps. Strats and Explorer are my main guitars.

06-01-2010, 01:56 PM	#19 (permalink)
HOT TUBES 70 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Saskatoon , Canada Posts: 8,803	Re: Accept's 200 watt JCM 800... So how would this sound compared to a Major ? __________________ Custom pedals Pedal modifications

06-01-2010, 02:05 PM	#22 (permalink)
Bret138 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 115	Re: Accept's 200 watt JCM 800... my mistake, thank you for correcting it. __________________ '88 Marshall JMP 1987 Fender Hot Rod DeVille 410 Valve Jr.

06-01-2010, 02:08 PM	#23 (permalink)
Buggs.Crosby Banned Join Date: May 2009 Location: S.Jersey Posts: 6,363	Re: Accept's 200 watt JCM 800... different tube manufacturers as well....no?....unless its laid out weird

06-01-2010, 04:49 PM	#28 (permalink)
tonefreak Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Larsen WI. Posts: 12,082	Re: Accept's 200 watt JCM 800... Just imagine the bragging rights that come along with that thing! __________________ Why waltz when you can Rock n Roll?

06-01-2010, 05:24 PM	#29 (permalink)
MajorNut1967 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,901	Re: Accept's 200 watt JCM 800... That amp there is a Hoax absolute BULL BUTTER. LOL That dinky ass PT can't even supply the Heater Current. LOL Heres a Major's PT, you think that half a sissy PT would do?

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode