6100 - Half Power or Triode Mode - Page 2

core · 05-25-2010, 12:20 PM

I always liked full power. Fuller and better sounding to me.

LesPaulopolis · 05-25-2010, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TwinACStacks

Capital idea!!!! Maybe even a STARSHALL

TWIN

Is that how they came up with the Uberschall???

HOT TUBES 70 · 05-25-2010, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Buggs.Crosby

Have you ever played my DSL?....again me thinks you guys are gonna be shocked.....or should i say rocked

NO i have not or have any of us here on the forum , even if the tone
from your DSL is as you say " three kinds a killer " i would not be intrested
in owning a DSL due to its limited options . The 6100 has so much more to
offer in the tone's dept. as compared to your DSL , this is why all of us guys
on this thread have dumped all the other Marshall amps and have stuck with
the 6100 cause it flat out delivers the goods !!!!

Now , get your wallet out , get on EBAY and grab a 6100 and you will see
what we are all talking about , if you look at it this way ....you could sell
your DSL , pick up a 6100 , and still have some beer money left over and you would have a way, way ....WAY !!!! cooler amp !!!

Now ..get crackin man !!! we want you in the Dark side asap !!!

And that goes for that other furball that roams around here with his gums a flappin !! .......Twin that means you !!! LoL !!!

DPTONE5 · 05-26-2010, 09:41 PM

I will weigh in on the debate. I owned a DSL for several years and did a few recordings with it. It is a very good amp, but I never thought I was getting the Marshall tone I was looking for. It has a more modern tone to it.

Once I bought the Plexi Re-Issue (1987XL) and had the C5 cap removed, I got the classic Marshall tone I was looking for. I later purchased the JMP 2204 and changed out the 6550's with EL34's. Wow - what a great amp. Classic crunch and for use at home, a much better low volume sound than the DSL.

I've recorded the exact earlier tracks with the 1987 and the 2204 and compared them side-by-side to the recordings with the DSL (with the same cabinets, mics, recording room, etc.). IMHO, there is no comparison. The DSL, even the green channel with a TS-9 or TS-808 in front of it, sounds harsher and more brittle than the other two. The 1987 and 2204 are much smoother and the lead tones much more articulate and less fuzzy than the DSL.

Lastly, I just got the 6100. Haven't recorded with it yet, but based on my ear alone, I think this is one of the greatest Marshalls. It covers a lot of ground and does everything extremely well. I can get the classic rock tones and higher gain tones from one amp. An articulate, powerful, screaming amp that also makes a great amp at home (the low volume settings also sound great).

Hope this helps anyone who may be on the fence about coming to "the dark side"....

Marshall Mann · 05-26-2010, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dptone5

i will weigh in on the debate. I owned a dsl for several years and did a few recordings with it. It is a very good amp, but i never thought i was getting the marshall tone i was looking for. It has a more modern tone to it.

Once i bought the plexi re-issue (1987xl) and had the c5 cap removed, i got the classic marshall tone i was looking for. I later purchased the jmp 2204 and changed out the 6550's with el34's. Wow - what a great amp. Classic crunch and for use at home, a much better low volume sound than the dsl.

I've recorded the exact earlier tracks with the 1987 and the 2204 and compared them side-by-side to the recordings with the dsl (with the same cabinets, mics, recording room, etc.). Imho, there is no comparison. The dsl, even the green channel with a ts-9 or ts-808 in front of it, sounds harsher and more brittle than the other two. The 1987 and 2204 are much smoother and the lead tones much more articulate and less fuzzy than the dsl.

Lastly, i just got the 6100. Haven't recorded with it yet, but based on my ear alone, i think this is one of the greatest marshalls. It covers a lot of ground and does everything extremely well. I can get the classic rock tones and higher gain tones from one amp. An articulate, powerful, screaming amp that also makes a great amp at home (the low volume settings also sound great).

hope this helps anyone who may be on the fence about coming to "the dark side"....

+10000000 dptone5!

longfxukxnhair · 05-26-2010, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DPTONE5

I will weigh in on the debate. I owned a DSL for several years and did a few recordings with it. It is a very good amp, but I never thought I was getting the Marshall tone I was looking for. It has a more modern tone to it.

Once I bought the Plexi Re-Issue (1987XL) and had the C5 cap removed, I got the classic Marshall tone I was looking for. I later purchased the JMP 2204 and changed out the 6550's with EL34's. Wow - what a great amp. Classic crunch and for use at home, a much better low volume sound than the DSL.

I've recorded the exact earlier tracks with the 1987 and the 2204 and compared them side-by-side to the recordings with the DSL (with the same cabinets, mics, recording room, etc.). IMHO, there is no comparison. The DSL, even the green channel with a TS-9 or TS-808 in front of it, sounds harsher and more brittle than the other two. The 1987 and 2204 are much smoother and the lead tones much more articulate and less fuzzy than the DSL.

Lastly, I just got the 6100. Haven't recorded with it yet, but based on my ear alone, I think this is one of the greatest Marshalls. It covers a lot of ground and does everything extremely well. I can get the classic rock tones and higher gain tones from one amp. An articulate, powerful, screaming amp that also makes a great amp at home (the low volume settings also sound great).

Hope this helps anyone who may be on the fence about coming to "the dark side"....

Good job DPT!
No need to fear the dark!

MartyStrat54 · 05-26-2010, 11:51 PM

I've owned numerous amps that had multiple power settings such as half power and Pentode/Triode mode.

My experience is that the amp sounds its best at full power. I did not like playing in the reduced power modes. The amp just didn't have the same feel. I'm slowly switching over to smaller wattage heads. I will keep a 100 watt head just in case.

I guess if you can swing it, the best scenario is to have multiple amps rated at different wattage such as 20, 40, 50 and 100.

HOT TUBES 70 · 05-27-2010, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DPTONE5

I will weigh in on the debate. I owned a DSL for several years and did a few recordings with it. It is a very good amp, but I never thought I was getting the Marshall tone I was looking for. It has a more modern tone to it.

Once I bought the Plexi Re-Issue (1987XL) and had the C5 cap removed, I got the classic Marshall tone I was looking for. I later purchased the JMP 2204 and changed out the 6550's with EL34's. Wow - what a great amp. Classic crunch and for use at home, a much better low volume sound than the DSL.

I've recorded the exact earlier tracks with the 1987 and the 2204 and compared them side-by-side to the recordings with the DSL (with the same cabinets, mics, recording room, etc.). IMHO, there is no comparison. The DSL, even the green channel with a TS-9 or TS-808 in front of it, sounds harsher and more brittle than the other two. The 1987 and 2204 are much smoother and the lead tones much more articulate and less fuzzy than the DSL.

Lastly, I just got the 6100. Haven't recorded with it yet, but based on my ear alone, I think this is one of the greatest Marshalls. It covers a lot of ground and does everything extremely well. I can get the classic rock tones and higher gain tones from one amp. An articulate, powerful, screaming amp that also makes a great amp at home (the low volume settings also sound great).

Hope this helps anyone who may be on the fence about coming to "the dark side"....

DPTONES5 !!! great overview !

HOT TUBES 70 · 05-27-2010, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

I've owned numerous amps that had multiple power settings such as half power and Pentode/Triode mode.

My experience is that the amp sounds its best at full power. I did not like playing in the reduced power modes. The amp just didn't have the same feel. I'm slowly switching over to smaller wattage heads. I will keep a 100 watt head just in case.

I guess if you can swing it, the best scenario is to have multiple amps rated at different wattage such as 20, 40, 50 and 100.

for the most part Marty i'm with you on this one , but i love the more vintage
tones out of the 6100 on triode mode as well , but it can also let it all hang out in pentode on High power !!!! The 6100 is a great all around amp !!

triode mode / low power = 25 watts
pentode mode / high power = 100 watts
triode mode / high power = 50 watts

MartyStrat54 · 05-27-2010, 01:44 AM

Well I have never owned the 6100, so I don't know what my review of it would be in lower power modes.

But as I always say, "If it sounds good to you, that's all that matters."

TwinACStacks · 05-27-2010, 05:38 AM

DP stick to Vintage and leave the Modern stuff to US Manly Men....

ANOTHER wimp with a 6100.

TWIN

longfxukxnhair · 05-27-2010, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TwinACStacks

DP stick to Vintage and leave the Modern stuff to US Manly Men....

ANOTHER wimp with a 6100.

TWIN

Twin, You are just upset because the 6100
sounds great right out of the ****ing box

TwinACStacks · 05-27-2010, 11:27 AM

Get it right Longhair:

It sounds great right out of the ****ING Box.

Sheesh, Newbies....

TWIN

longfxukxnhair · 05-27-2010, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TwinACStacks

Get it right Longhair:

It sounds great right out of the ****ING Box.

Sheesh, Newbies....

TWIN

My bad Twin. But thx for reinforcing the point! Im glad you agree

HOT TUBES 70 · 05-27-2010, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwinACStacks

DP stick to Vintage and leave the Modern stuff to US Manly Men....

ANOTHER wimp with a 6100.

TWIN

TWIN ! they sound great right out of the box !!!!!!

ya wimp !!!

Salsg · 06-03-2010, 02:07 PM

Allow me to chime in, as a previous owner of two DSL50s, one stock, and one modded, and also have owned (I'll stick to just Marshalls) 1987XL, 2203X, JCM900 4500, JCM900 4100, 2266, 2466, TSL602 and now a 6100.
I'll list in order of favorite to least tonewise
2466/2266 - Minor differences, 2466 better LDR, 2266 better HDR
1987XL - Awesome sound, but impractical, way too loud
6100 - Just the clean and crunch channels are worth the price of admission
2203x - Great aggressive sound, but way too freaking loud. My preference is more vintage tones
DSL50 - Modded with Merc Magnetics OT, bright cap mod, and more to get the red and green channels to sound alike, overall pretty successful at it
4500 - I think would have sounded good with the right power tubes, had EL34s installed but was made for 5881s. Flipped it quick before trying out correct tubes.
TSL602 - Versatile, but nothing was inspiring, good amp no doubt, but it didn't want to make me keep playing
DSL50 - Stock, only used the green channel at that point with pedals up front, red channel not good
4100 - Awful, thin, buzzsaw sound, clean was barely acceptable. New tubes didn't help.

longfxukxnhair · 06-03-2010, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

TWIN ! they sound great right out of the box !!!!!!

ya wimp !!!

What HT said

longfxukxnhair · 06-03-2010, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Salsg

Allow me to chime in, as a previous owner of two DSL50s, one stock, and one modded, and also have owned (I'll stick to just Marshalls) 1987XL, 2203X, JCM900 4500, JCM900 4100, 2266, 2466, TSL602 and now a 6100.
I'll list in order of favorite to least tonewise
2466/2266 - Minor differences, 2466 better LDR, 2266 better HDR
1987XL - Awesome sound, but impractical, way too loud
6100 - Just the clean and crunch channels are worth the price of admission
2203x - Great aggressive sound, but way too freaking loud. My preference is more vintage tones
DSL50 - Modded with Merc Magnetics OT, bright cap mod, and more to get the red and green channels to sound alike, overall pretty successful at it
4500 - I think would have sounded good with the right power tubes, had EL34s installed but was made for 5881s. Flipped it quick before trying out correct tubes.
TSL602 - Versatile, but nothing was inspiring, good amp no doubt, but it didn't want to make me keep playing
DSL50 - Stock, only used the green channel at that point with pedals up front, red channel not good
4100 - Awful, thin, buzzsaw sound, clean was barely acceptable. New tubes didn't help.

Im looking over this list and I notice the DSL's rank below the 6100. Thats about right.
Good job Salsg

Despite my bias I think the list looks about right

HOT TUBES 70 · 06-03-2010, 08:22 PM

Vintage Modern ???? they just did not impress me , i must have got a
the only 2 duds in Canada to hear ! I would still love to hear a good one ...
I'm glad to see the 6100 rates among the Legends of Marshall !

05-25-2010, 12:20 PM	#31 (permalink)
core Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,321	Re: 6100 - Half Power or Triode Mode I always liked full power. Fuller and better sounding to me. __________________ ♠ ♠ ♠ ♠ ♠ ♠ ♠ ♠ ♠ Aces & 8's

05-26-2010, 09:41 PM	#34 (permalink)
DPTONE5 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,948	Re: 6100 - Half Power or Triode Mode I will weigh in on the debate. I owned a DSL for several years and did a few recordings with it. It is a very good amp, but I never thought I was getting the Marshall tone I was looking for. It has a more modern tone to it. Once I bought the Plexi Re-Issue (1987XL) and had the C5 cap removed, I got the classic Marshall tone I was looking for. I later purchased the JMP 2204 and changed out the 6550's with EL34's. Wow - what a great amp. Classic crunch and for use at home, a much better low volume sound than the DSL. I've recorded the exact earlier tracks with the 1987 and the 2204 and compared them side-by-side to the recordings with the DSL (with the same cabinets, mics, recording room, etc.). IMHO, there is no comparison. The DSL, even the green channel with a TS-9 or TS-808 in front of it, sounds harsher and more brittle than the other two. The 1987 and 2204 are much smoother and the lead tones much more articulate and less fuzzy than the DSL. Lastly, I just got the 6100. Haven't recorded with it yet, but based on my ear alone, I think this is one of the greatest Marshalls. It covers a lot of ground and does everything extremely well. I can get the classic rock tones and higher gain tones from one amp. An articulate, powerful, screaming amp that also makes a great amp at home (the low volume settings also sound great). Hope this helps anyone who may be on the fence about coming to "the dark side".... __________________ Marshall Amps - 1987XL, JMP 2204, JCM 800 2203X, 2555 Jubilee, JCM 800 2210, 6100 Cabinets - 1960BX, 1960B JCM 900 Guitars - PRS CU 24, 91' Gibson LP Classic, Fender Clapton Strat, Jackson SL-1, Taylor 410-CE, Fender Highway One P Bass Pedal Board - Boss Tuner, Fulltone Fulldrive II Mosfet, ReIssue Ibanez TS-808, Ernie Ball Volume Pedal to amp in. Loop - Boss Chorus, MXR Carbon Copy, Lee Jackson Mr. Springgy, Boss GE-7 EQ (Monte Allums Mod)

05-26-2010, 11:51 PM	#37 (permalink)
MartyStrat54 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Now in Muskogee, by Tulsa Posts: 18,236	Re: 6100 - Half Power or Triode Mode I've owned numerous amps that had multiple power settings such as half power and Pentode/Triode mode. My experience is that the amp sounds its best at full power. I did not like playing in the reduced power modes. The amp just didn't have the same feel. I'm slowly switching over to smaller wattage heads. I will keep a 100 watt head just in case. I guess if you can swing it, the best scenario is to have multiple amps rated at different wattage such as 20, 40, 50 and 100. __________________ MARTY MARTIMUS MAXIMUS ONLINE TUBES AND OTHER STUFFHyperlink Wilder modded JCM 2204 (Sold my JMP to Joe.). Many other amps. Strats and Explorer are my main guitars.

05-27-2010, 01:44 AM	#40 (permalink)
MartyStrat54 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Now in Muskogee, by Tulsa Posts: 18,236	Re: 6100 - Half Power or Triode Mode Well I have never owned the 6100, so I don't know what my review of it would be in lower power modes. But as I always say, "If it sounds good to you, that's all that matters." __________________ MARTY MARTIMUS MAXIMUS ONLINE TUBES AND OTHER STUFFHyperlink Wilder modded JCM 2204 (Sold my JMP to Joe.). Many other amps. Strats and Explorer are my main guitars.

06-03-2010, 02:07 PM	#46 (permalink)
Salsg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,358	Re: 6100 - Half Power or Triode Mode Allow me to chime in, as a previous owner of two DSL50s, one stock, and one modded, and also have owned (I'll stick to just Marshalls) 1987XL, 2203X, JCM900 4500, JCM900 4100, 2266, 2466, TSL602 and now a 6100. I'll list in order of favorite to least tonewise 2466/2266 - Minor differences, 2466 better LDR, 2266 better HDR 1987XL - Awesome sound, but impractical, way too loud 6100 - Just the clean and crunch channels are worth the price of admission 2203x - Great aggressive sound, but way too freaking loud. My preference is more vintage tones DSL50 - Modded with Merc Magnetics OT, bright cap mod, and more to get the red and green channels to sound alike, overall pretty successful at it 4500 - I think would have sounded good with the right power tubes, had EL34s installed but was made for 5881s. Flipped it quick before trying out correct tubes. TSL602 - Versatile, but nothing was inspiring, good amp no doubt, but it didn't want to make me keep playing DSL50 - Stock, only used the green channel at that point with pedals up front, red channel not good 4100 - Awful, thin, buzzsaw sound, clean was barely acceptable. New tubes didn't help. __________________ Marshall JVM410H Marshall JVM205C Marshall 1960BV Gibson Les Paul Traditional Fender Clapton Stratocaster

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06-03-2010, 08:22 PM	#49 (permalink)
HOT TUBES 70 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Saskatoon , Canada Posts: 8,768	Re: 6100 - Half Power or Triode Mode Vintage Modern ???? they just did not impress me , i must have got a the only 2 duds in Canada to hear ! I would still love to hear a good one ... I'm glad to see the 6100 rates among the Legends of Marshall ! __________________ Custom pedals Pedal modifications

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