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Unread 01-15-2010, 08:00 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Advice on JCM800 combo: 4010 or 4104?

Hi guys.
I'm looking for a first series (vertical input, brownish tolex, G12T-75 speakers) JCM800 combo, 50 watts.

Which one do u think it's better? The 4010 (1x12") or the 4104 (2x12")?
I'd ntp take a 4103 as 100W are too many for me.

And the 42XX series correspond to the 2205/2210 JCM800 which I don't like at all. I'd like to have a 2203/2204 sound

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Unread 01-15-2010, 09:07 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Advice on JCM800 combo: 4010 or 4104?

I prefer the 2x12, sounds more full. But of course, you may have to carry it..... in which case the 4010 might be a better choice

Can't go wrong with either, great amps.
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Re: Advice on JCM800 combo: 4010 or 4104?

Weight is the reason I'd rather get a 4010. I already have a TBX-modded AC30CC2X who is 35kg heavy.
Once miked up close with an SM57, do u think there is much difference? Uhm I don't think so.

Lastly, did I write correct things^ Is the brownish tolex with vertical inputs the first series?
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Re: Advice on JCM800 combo: 4010 or 4104?

I don't know if the tolex color is any indication, but the vertical inputs are. All the inputs mean is that is an '81 to '83, possibly early '84. If you know the serial number, or actually just the letter in the serial, it's easy to date.
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Re: Advice on JCM800 combo: 4010 or 4104?

Thanks. I'm really looking for one.
Tell me.. sonically, do horizontal inputs 4010s and 4104s differ from the vertical inputs ones?
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Re: Advice on JCM800 combo: 4010 or 4104?

Hey,

I know quit a bit on this subject,

First of all, the change from Verticle to horizontal made no difference in sound to 50 watt JCM 800's aka 2204, 4010 or 4104's. It only affected the 100 watt JCM 800's.

When you say 'brownish tolex' do you mean brown grill cloth?



Heres a picture of my JCM 800 collection. Do you mean like the half stack on the right? If yo do then its impossible to have a vertical input with that color as these were only made in 1986 by accident as marshall tried a different material which was originally black but faded to dark brown, The corrected the problem soon after.

On the left is my 4010, trust me you don't need two speakers. one is loud enough to compete with a full band, I run mine on three and its easily loud enough to drown out drums and anything else. Two speakers defeats the point of the combo as it makes it so much heavier and difficult to transport. I can carry the 4010 easily and when you play live they only mic one speaker up anyway.

Heres the last point to consider, although the 4010 or 4104 are identicle to the 2204, they wil never sound as good as they are open back. The 4x12 is closed back so the bass is a lot tigher and it gives it the classic marshall crunch. You'll get close with the combo but its never as good as a 4X12. I use my 4010 for my bedroom as its a bit quieter than a half stack and for rehearsals/shows when I can't be bothered to bring the half stack.

Overall though, I think they're an awesome compromise between the amazing tone of a 2204 and the practicality of a combo. I would definitely get the 4010, any year will do but some collectors prefer the vertical inputs as they are slightly rarer.

EDIT: Also i'm not 100% sure but i believe the Combo's originally came with G12-65's?
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Re: Advice on JCM800 combo: 4010 or 4104?

I had the 4104, and it was a heavy amp. The perfect thing "if" you want the combo would be to go with the 4010 due to it being lighter/smaller with the one speaker. It will be plenty for practice or with a band. If you want to have the 4x12 or even 2x12 sound you can run it to an extension cab. It really is a very versatile setup when used this way. I've seen the combos with G12-65's and 70's.

+1 on the horizontal vs vertical not changing tone in the 50 watters. What changed tone was the reduced filter caps that coincided with the horizontal inputs on the 100 watters.
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Unread 01-17-2010, 02:04 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Advice on JCM800 combo: 4010 or 4104?

Hi guys! Thank you for the answers. Yes, I was meaning that brown cloth! It looks amazing.
I have no band, I only play at home in my small studio. I'd rather get a combo as it's much more moveable. I also have an AC30CC2X modded to TBX specs and it's heavy (35 kg).

Yup the open-back is not a problem. I may either buy a 4x12 or closed 2x12 in the future (but I doubt I will) or make myself a piece of wood (Baltic birch of course) to close manually the back of the amp

I'm looking for one, they are quite hard to find in good condition. I've seen one in Italy but it was beaten up
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Re: Advice on JCM800 combo: 4010 or 4104?

Ah another question.
Do the 4010 the 4104 sound exactly the same as 2204 head when connected to an external cabinet? Or are there any differences?
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Re: Advice on JCM800 combo: 4010 or 4104?

I have a 4010 and love it with the 75watt speaker. It is really light and portable and sounds rippin. I had someone install a fx loop in mine so it is very versatile for home or band situations.

I can't speak from a technical perspective but I have heard the 4010 is the same as a 2204 circuit so in my opinion it should sound like a 2204 when run through a 4x12 cab.

One cool thing is you can make these fit in a small head cabinet also so when needed you can put it in a head cab so it is even more light and portable. I have seen people put this combo chassis in a Marshall Artist head. I had a custom Lopo head cab made for mine, super light and portable.
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Re: Advice on JCM800 combo: 4010 or 4104?

Yes the 4010 and 4104 is Identical to the 2204, on the back there are two speaker outputs and you can hook them up to any cabinets you wish and it will sound just like the 2204
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Re: Advice on JCM800 combo: 4010 or 4104?

Ha! The combos cost less than the head. I'll get teh combo! I'll get the best of both worlds.
The few times I jam outside my house, it's portable. To record, I'm always in time to hook up a 4x12, in the case

Thx guys!
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Re: Advice on JCM800 combo: 4010 or 4104?

What about the 4203 and 4210 combos? Do they sound significantly different?
I didn't like the 2205 sound, to me it's a lot different fro mthe 2203. Am I right?
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Re: Advice on JCM800 combo: 4010 or 4104?

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Re: Advice on JCM800 combo: 4010 or 4104?

The 4210 is the combo version of the 2205 head, so if you didn't like the 2205, then it follows you won't dig the combo either.

The 4203 is the Artist. These amps have a solid state preamp, tube power section -- hybrid amps. They don't have the best reputation, but as with anything it's subjective. You might like them, you might not, but neither sounds like a 2203.
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Re: Advice on JCM800 combo: 4010 or 4104?

The problem is that I find a lot of 42xx combos (corresponding to 2205/2210 heads) and almost zero 4010 or 4104... oh gosh!

And what about the Silver jubilee 2554? Is it so different, sound-wise?
I've never heard a Silver jubilee - actually, never seen one live ... I know I'm missing a lot
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Re: Advice on JCM800 combo: 4010 or 4104?

bump
also, what about the 2104?
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Re: Advice on JCM800 combo: 4010 or 4104?

If you're gonna connect an additional cab, you'd be better off getting a head. You can break it down into 2 parts, and if you get a 2x12 extension cab it'll be in 2 parts lighter than a combo.
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Re: Advice on JCM800 combo: 4010 or 4104?

False. A 2204 head weighs 25 kg just by itself.
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