purplfarm

Curious of year and realistic value with both original basket weave cabs w/greenbacks. I've played this amp my entire life and my father purchased it brand new in the 60's. These cabs are super rare. Its hard to put a value on them. Hope everyone enjoys my pics. Shes a beast!

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purplfarm

...and no, its not for sale=) i'm just curious as to what everyone thinks of it!

Australian

It looks great!!
Those speakers would be G12H30's by the look of the size magnets.
Are they 75htz or 55htz ?

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Wow man, Thats a beauty and a real keeper. I personaly would never sell it, especially since your old man bought it new. How does it sound (other then LOUD)? Awesome amp.

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tone seaker

sweet

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strat59

Me ........ I personally would have gone for something smaller in a bedroom amp

Nice Rig ! Fire that up and watch all the lights dim in the neighbourhood !

janarn

It's G12H T1281 in BW 1982 cabs.
All of them are 55htz with Pulsonic 102-014 bass cone.
And Celestion didn't use stickers on them in '68/69.

purplfarm

Thanks guys! Yes, its a beast! and one fine bedroom amp Australian~im going to check on the htz later today. Every time i try to get info on this amp i find out im getting info on something slightly different than what i have.
The sound is crystal clean. if you have the balls to crank it almost all the way up it slightly breaks up into true tube overdrive. its a different animal than most marshalls. imo it sounds better than most any amp ive ever played and i have some pretty sweet amps~! ive gigged with it a few times and of course no mic on the major=) and i was still asked to turn down! the bass note response is smooth and clean. It is not a "compressed" sound which means the tone is very harmonically rich with lots of dynamics. Chords are rich and full sounding with great clarity. The notes actually come through with piano like clarity but bigger and fatter (think les paul fatness but cleaner without the grunge) and no harsh high end tones you might get from other popular vintage amps made by another company (poke!). it really is an amazing amp.
janarn~i missed your post before. thank you! that tells me the htz.
so...how rare are these cabs? personally i think they're crazy but two different people told me the entire original matching rig could be worth upwards of $15,000 (laughs)??! i see the heads alone listed at $3500-$4000 but i think the real value is in these cab's. again, everytime i dig a little i get info on something slightly different which leads me to believe i might have something really special. any ideas on value? again the amp is not for sale. we've been trying to figure out this amp my entire life! =) this forum is awesome and i appreciate all your comments=)

tone seaker

I have 1968 and 1969 celestions and they have stickers. Pre Rola

1968 bottom cab one speaker is 1970 the other three are 1968


1968 top cab


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purplfarm

...btw im not sure of the exact year of mine?? i was told probably 68'-69'? whats the difference between the speakers with stickers?
its SO cool to see another one! and your cabs have faded into the same nice color as mine! very cool indeed=)
...and the pics are my bottom cab. ive yet to open the top one.

Clammy

A real thing of beauty!

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That stack really makes me drool... beautiful!


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janarn

The G12H didn't have stickers in '68/69. G12M had stickers.
Both cabs in the Major stack are typical '69 cabs with triangels in bottom corners.
Codes on speakers will tell us when the speakers were made. My guess is '69 or late '68.

purplfarm

ill get the speaker codes

spacejunkie

now thats sweet cab and amp porn at its best. real nice....

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tone seaker

a lot of times the stickers fall off with age and if the cab is open some one might have lost the stickers at some point

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janarn

They haven't fallen off all G12H speakers from a long period.
When Celestion upgraded The G12H from 25w to 30w early '68
they didn't have new 30w stikkers to put on them for a long time.
And they probably didn't want to use the old 25w sticker and cause confusion
with the G12M that was upraded to 25w at the same time.
I have never seen a 30w G12H from '68 with a sticker.

tone seaker

Any thing is possible though but here is some with. 1982 model 1968 year 30 watters with stickers
http://amparchives.com/album/Marshal...ure%20790.html

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janarn

I think it's a '70 or later cab.
And I can't see any codes to prove that the speakers are from '68.
And the solder tabs should be black on speakers from '68.

purplfarm

each speaker has two codes and are as follows:

Bottom cab from back-----Top left-T1281/CB21Z--->Top Right-T1281/CB245
Bottom Left-Code not visible----> Bottom Right-T1281/CB245

found this pic exactly like mine with same serial:




There does not appear to be any glue residue from old stickers
tabs are black as well
i also didn't mention that its a marshall major "lead"

purplfarm

just found this one as well w/different serial
1968 Celestion T-1281 (G12H-30) Greenback Pre-Rola Speaker (fresh recone) | eBay

kermitz

Beautiful original stack.

mickeydg5

[QUOTE=purplfarm;610300]each speaker has two codes and are as follows:

Bottom cab from back-----Top left-T1281/CB21Z--->Top Right-T1281/CB245
Bottom Left-Code not visible----> Bottom Right-T1281/CB245
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The C = March, B = 1969, nest two digits = day of month
T1281 = 50-60 c/s, heavy magnet, 1777 cone, welvic edge

I believe that is right. That would make them 1968-9 cabinet builds with 1969 speakers.

purplfarm

great!
i forgot to mention its hard to see in the pics but notice the shadow of the "100" logo faded into the basket weave in the corner (close up corner shot). barely visible in the pic it looks a little darker in person.

purplfarm

so now that we know what it is, any idea on approximate value?? is that not allowed to be discussed here?

mickeydg5

I will throw a value out. Based on average to good condition in working order $6000+. (bluebook values)

You need to know just for insurance purposes.

janarn

[quote=mickeydg5;610392]No 1777 cones in '69. Should be Pulsonic 102 014 bass cones.
Typical '69 cabs with original '69 speakers.

george76

if the castors are original (revvo push-ins) they are very, very rare. because they used to break very easily. but basketweave cabs themselves are not particularly rare in my opinion. most people who want them, manage to get them. and they are not that unusual to see on ebay.

Marshall were into serious production numbers when the basketweave cabs came out.

The truly rare cabs (and celestion speakers) are from 67 and earlier in my opinion. At least those are the ones I get excited about when I see them.

I think any collector would be most excited about the 200w head (and the cab castors if you sell them separately).

dont mean to put your rig down, dont get me wrong they are great cabs and speakers (assuming the speakers are in good order).

pre-rola T1281's dont have labels, unless they are Marshalls own label. That speaker model was exclusive to Marshall.

purplfarm

interesting and cool=) this has been very informative.
castors are original. one castor is shredded pretty good but the other 7 are in great condition. what are they worth?
george76 your not putting down my rig! your giving me realistic information which is what im after. this is out of pure curiosity as no one has ever been able to figure it out. you guys are awesome!
how can you tell the difference between a 67 cab? whats the difference between the 67 speakers?
the speakers are in great working order. really rich and clean. the amp has barely been touched over the years. pretty sure dad pulled out a tube when i was a kid and told me something was wrong with it so i couldn't play it

george76

PM me if you want to sell the castors, I would be interested. Assuming they are original revvos.

cabs from 67 usually have pinstripe grill cloth, not basketweave. and the speakers in 67 were rated at 5 watts less due to a slight difference in the voice coil. also the metal handles are slightly thinner at the sides. or some still have the old strap handles in 67.