Kramer VS Charvel! Battle of the 80's Brands! - Page 2

butrus · 10-17-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Grandturk

That's a 675 - 24 frets, neck through. The 475, which replaced the Model 4, was a 22 fretter bolt on.

675? does it exist?
Its 650xl made in 89
Sold it last week tho,good market at the moment $$$

siav · 10-17-2009, 04:09 PM

I own a Kramer 600 ST from the 80s. It was flashy pink and I just removed the color few years ago.
The Floyd Rose is very worn and it s not a II model.
The neck is a 3 piece and veeeery stable, not too big and not too skinny either, it plays good!
Im wondering what the body can be made of, it seems like it has different layers of wood, if someone could help me to know what s this made of?

Well, I reallu love USA made JAckons and each time I played an 80s Charvel I loved it as well!
I keep that Kramer cauz it s the first electric guitar I bought

Grandturk · 10-18-2009, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by butrus

675? does it exist?
Its 650xl made in 89
Sold it last week tho,good market at the moment $$$

My mistake. You're right - 650, not 675 - I got my 75's confused with my 50's. They went 275, 375, 475 and 650.

Buggs.Crosby · 10-25-2009, 11:58 AM

Charvel all the Way...USA or Jap they are far better...a lot of Kramers had Poplar bodies...lame compared to the Alder that the Jap Charvels had
another thing to look at is the headstocks.....ill take a scarfed tiltback over a scooped banana every time...a lot of those type of kramer necks have mad deflection going on
the way they are laid out is horrible...you know when the tip of the head is pulling back towards the body that something is wrong and it is ....its called deflection....wich will equal loss of sustain....anybody that plays knows what that means....Lame

MacMan · 10-25-2009, 07:56 PM

get a Kramer because that is what was played most by the bands you like in the 80's and that is what you are after. Why get something and only be kind of happy. Get exactly what you want to play and if that's a Kramer then get it. You already know the answer you are just prolonging the inevitable.

Kramer = good guitar
Charvel = good guitar

for me being an 80's rock guy I'd go the Kramer (actually I did)

80's Rocker · 10-25-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MacMan

get a Kramer because that is what was played most by the bands you like in the 80's and that is what you are after. Why get something and only be kind of happy. Get exactly what you want to play and if that's a Kramer then get it. You already know the answer you are just prolonging the inevitable.

Kramer = good guitar
Charvel = good guitar

for me being an 80's rock guy I'd go the Kramer (actually I did)

See, I keep getting suggestions like Buggs which all tell me go for the charvel because it is a nicer guitar, and I would love to get a Charvel....but...there is just something about a Kramer that I really love and want...I think it just has some kind of mojo to it that I like. I really want the 1984 custom reissue in either of the bullseye patterns the most.

Kramer Guitars

Pretty sweet axe and I love the bullseye finish.

My second choice would be the Baretta reissue or maybe even my own custom Charvel gutiar if it did not cost too much. I will most likely ask for a guitar like these for Christmas if I dont find one at a really good deal before so.

Grandturk · 10-25-2009, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Buggs.Crosby

...lame compared to the Alder that the Jap Charvels had

You mean Basswood, of course... and poplar on the neck-throughs.

Gtrman58 · 10-26-2009, 06:53 AM

I have never personally owned either brand. The ones I have played on I thought were really similiar to each other. I aways thought they were/could be made by the same supplier/company. Good guitars at a decnt price back in the day.

Pretty much a toss up to me.

JonasAberg · 10-26-2009, 09:16 AM

For 1500$ I think you could easily score an original 80's Kramer Baretta with a solid maple body and OFR.

I have two Kramer guitars right now; one Baretta and a Baretta II. The neck on the Baretta II is totally different from the Baretta, much flatter, "shredder-like".

Charvel's (except the model series) seem to be harder to find. Kramers are great guitars and can usually be found a lot cheaper.

If you want to learn more about Kramer's go check out vintagekramer.com
There you can compare models and specs to see which model would suit you the best.

^AXE^ · 10-26-2009, 11:18 PM

My Charvel is 22 plus and still rockin!!!

Buggs.Crosby · 10-27-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Grandturk

You mean Basswood, of course... and poplar on the neck-throughs.

No....i do mean alder....yes they did use Poplar on some neck thru's
i have owned many jap charvels over the years and not one was ever Basswood
most i repainted to look like my hero's guitars...like vivs 4 skull model
and if asked my experiance i can let you know i worked at Musikraft for years
and know my woods very well...i have even done alot of work for Paul Unkert
who had a major hand in Kramers rise to fame
Hell most companies never even heard of Basswood until Ibeenhad made the Jem for Vai...yes it was used but not like it was after that
IMHO Basswood = poop

and im far from against all Kramers the Nightswan i owned i wish i still had
im just against some of the design flaws like the banana heads...very bad design

80's Rocker · 10-27-2009, 09:13 PM

I believe they corrected the neck/headstock issue on the Kramer reissues if what I have read correctly.

Grandturk · 10-27-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Buggs.Crosby

No....i do mean alder....yes they did use Poplar on some neck thru's
i have owned many jap charvels over the years and not one was ever Basswood
most i repainted to look like my hero's guitars...like vivs 4 skull model
and if asked my experiance i can let you know i worked at Musikraft for years
and know my woods very well...i have even done alot of work for Paul Unkert
who had a major hand in Kramers rise to fame
Hell most companies never even heard of Basswood until Ibeenhad made the Jem for Vai...yes it was used but not like it was after that
IMHO Basswood = poop

No.

Catalog Scans - Jackson Charvel Guitars - 1986 Charvel imports

80's Rocker · 10-27-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Grandturk

No.

Catalog Scans - Jackson Charvel Guitars - 1986 Charvel imports

Buggs.Crosby · 10-28-2009, 12:17 AM

It may say that in the scans but this was modeled after one of my jap starts
https://www.musikraft.com/product-info.php?pid122.html
and it is defiantly Alder

80's Rocker · 10-28-2009, 04:39 PM

Hey Buggs, how would you compare one of the maple Kramers that did not have a headstock issue with one of the Charvels?

On a side note, I went to my local pawn shop today and played a Kramer pacer and a Charvel model 2, I prefered the Kramer more but i prefer my model 1 to the Kramer. How much do necks differ in between different models of these guitar brands?

j2112c · 10-30-2009, 04:21 PM

I owned a Charvel and loved it. I voted Charvel. Nothing against Kramers - the Baretta was nice - but I have to say hand on heart though I voted Charvel, the best shredder I ever did play was a Kramer NightSwan... oh God, very thin neck a joy to play, unlike anything else Kramer ever produced. I could not afford it at £800 in the early 1990's (seems cheap now) and of course it could be argued that it was never a Kramer anyway but a Buddy Blaze concoction and that it was not about in the '80's so does not count... I still want one.

80's Rocker · 10-31-2009, 12:43 AM

To be honest I am really surprised at how much Charvel is beating Kramer in the polls. I mean Kramer was the #1 selling brand in the mid 80's.

Buggs.Crosby · 10-31-2009, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by j2112c

the best shredder I ever did play was a Kramer NightSwan... oh God, very thin neck a joy to play, unlike anything else Kramer ever produced. I could not afford it at £800 in the early 1990's (seems cheap now) and of course it could be argued that it was never a Kramer anyway but a Buddy Blaze concoction and that it was not about in the '80's so does not count... I still want one.

The neck on those were way different than most Kramers for a couple of reasons...the biggest was its scale...24-3/4" it made a huge difference in feel
...the Jake E Lee esp strats were the same thing in that respect. and yes the Night Swans had very thin necks but i have played Charvels that were thinner
my main Charvel SD clone is .750 - .780 and i know the NS was thinner but i never measured it while i owned it

80's Rocker · 11-01-2009, 01:35 AM

So a this is a question for you guys that have played the baretta reissue or own one. Is the neck at the top really narrow like a strat "V shaped" neck? I know it has the R2 nut on the floyd. I just need to know this as this will really help me decide. Also, does anybody know if the 84 reissue has the same neck shape and width?

View Poll Results: Charvel or Kramer?
Charvel	26	78.79%
Kramer	7	21.21%
Voters: 33. You may not vote on this poll

10-17-2009, 04:09 PM	#32 (permalink)
siav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 86	Re: Kramer VS Charvel! Battle of the 80's Brands! I own a Kramer 600 ST from the 80s. It was flashy pink and I just removed the color few years ago. The Floyd Rose is very worn and it s not a II model. The neck is a 3 piece and veeeery stable, not too big and not too skinny either, it plays good! Im wondering what the body can be made of, it seems like it has different layers of wood, if someone could help me to know what s this made of? Well, I reallu love USA made JAckons and each time I played an 80s Charvel I loved it as well! I keep that Kramer cauz it s the first electric guitar I bought __________________ Kramer 600ST Gibson Les Paul STD 2005 Martin D16 Custom Marshall 6101 30th Anniversary Marshall 2555SL JCM Slash Rocktron VooduVale

10-25-2009, 11:58 AM	#34 (permalink)
Buggs.Crosby Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 90	Re: Kramer VS Charvel! Battle of the 80's Brands! Charvel all the Way...USA or Jap they are far better...a lot of Kramers had Poplar bodies...lame compared to the Alder that the Jap Charvels had another thing to look at is the headstocks.....ill take a scarfed tiltback over a scooped banana every time...a lot of those type of kramer necks have mad deflection going on the way they are laid out is horrible...you know when the tip of the head is pulling back towards the body that something is wrong and it is ....its called deflection....wich will equal loss of sustain....anybody that plays knows what that means....Lame

10-25-2009, 07:56 PM	#35 (permalink)
MacMan Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 34	Re: Kramer VS Charvel! Battle of the 80's Brands! get a Kramer because that is what was played most by the bands you like in the 80's and that is what you are after. Why get something and only be kind of happy. Get exactly what you want to play and if that's a Kramer then get it. You already know the answer you are just prolonging the inevitable. Kramer = good guitar Charvel = good guitar for me being an 80's rock guy I'd go the Kramer (actually I did)

10-26-2009, 06:53 AM	#38 (permalink)
Gtrman58 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: St. Louis, Mo. Posts: 148	Re: Kramer VS Charvel! Battle of the 80's Brands! I have never personally owned either brand. The ones I have played on I thought were really similiar to each other. I aways thought they were/could be made by the same supplier/company. Good guitars at a decnt price back in the day. Pretty much a toss up to me. __________________ 2009 JCM 2000 Dsl 100 MLB MC412A 1951 Fender Deluxe 2006 Hot Rod Deluxe 1995 Blues Junior 1994 Blues Deville Vox Path Finder 1982 Legend A 30 1980 Gibson Herritage Cherry Sunburst Standard 1980 Explorer White with gold HW 2000 52 Telecaster USA RI 1983 57 Strat LH USA RI 2003 57 Strat USA RI 1960 Silvertone Danelectro 1994 Fender P-bass 68 RI Acoustic guitars....not enough space to list !!!!!

10-26-2009, 09:16 AM	#39 (permalink)
JonasAberg Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 30	Re: Kramer VS Charvel! Battle of the 80's Brands! For 1500$ I think you could easily score an original 80's Kramer Baretta with a solid maple body and OFR. I have two Kramer guitars right now; one Baretta and a Baretta II. The neck on the Baretta II is totally different from the Baretta, much flatter, "shredder-like". Charvel's (except the model series) seem to be harder to find. Kramers are great guitars and can usually be found a lot cheaper. If you want to learn more about Kramer's go check out vintagekramer.com There you can compare models and specs to see which model would suit you the best.

10-26-2009, 11:18 PM	#40 (permalink)
^AXE^ Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 46	Re: Kramer VS Charvel! Battle of the 80's Brands! My Charvel is 22 plus and still rockin!!!

10-27-2009, 09:13 PM	#42 (permalink)
80's Rocker Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: stuck in the 80's! Posts: 251	Re: Kramer VS Charvel! Battle of the 80's Brands! I believe they corrected the neck/headstock issue on the Kramer reissues if what I have read correctly. __________________ 80's Rocker Epiphone Les Paul Stantard Marshall JCM 800 2204 1960 Cab Ibanez TS9 Tube Screamer Charvel Model 1 Rock On!

10-28-2009, 12:17 AM	#45 (permalink)
Buggs.Crosby Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 90	Re: Kramer VS Charvel! Battle of the 80's Brands! It may say that in the scans but this was modeled after one of my jap starts https://www.musikraft.com/product-info.php?pid122.html and it is defiantly Alder

10-28-2009, 04:39 PM	#46 (permalink)
80's Rocker Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: stuck in the 80's! Posts: 251	Re: Kramer VS Charvel! Battle of the 80's Brands! Hey Buggs, how would you compare one of the maple Kramers that did not have a headstock issue with one of the Charvels? On a side note, I went to my local pawn shop today and played a Kramer pacer and a Charvel model 2, I prefered the Kramer more but i prefer my model 1 to the Kramer. How much do necks differ in between different models of these guitar brands? __________________ 80's Rocker Epiphone Les Paul Stantard Marshall JCM 800 2204 1960 Cab Ibanez TS9 Tube Screamer Charvel Model 1 Rock On!

10-30-2009, 04:21 PM	#47 (permalink)
j2112c Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 17	Re: Kramer VS Charvel! Battle of the 80's Brands! I owned a Charvel and loved it. I voted Charvel. Nothing against Kramers - the Baretta was nice - but I have to say hand on heart though I voted Charvel, the best shredder I ever did play was a Kramer NightSwan... oh God, very thin neck a joy to play, unlike anything else Kramer ever produced. I could not afford it at £800 in the early 1990's (seems cheap now) and of course it could be argued that it was never a Kramer anyway but a Buddy Blaze concoction and that it was not about in the '80's so does not count... I still want one.

10-31-2009, 12:43 AM	#48 (permalink)
80's Rocker Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: stuck in the 80's! Posts: 251	Re: Kramer VS Charvel! Battle of the 80's Brands! To be honest I am really surprised at how much Charvel is beating Kramer in the polls. I mean Kramer was the #1 selling brand in the mid 80's. __________________ 80's Rocker Epiphone Les Paul Stantard Marshall JCM 800 2204 1960 Cab Ibanez TS9 Tube Screamer Charvel Model 1 Rock On!

11-01-2009, 01:35 AM	#50 (permalink)
80's Rocker Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: stuck in the 80's! Posts: 251	Re: Kramer VS Charvel! Battle of the 80's Brands! So a this is a question for you guys that have played the baretta reissue or own one. Is the neck at the top really narrow like a strat "V shaped" neck? I know it has the R2 nut on the floyd. I just need to know this as this will really help me decide. Also, does anybody know if the 84 reissue has the same neck shape and width? __________________ 80's Rocker Epiphone Les Paul Stantard Marshall JCM 800 2204 1960 Cab Ibanez TS9 Tube Screamer Charvel Model 1 Rock On!

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