stopbar wrap round on a LP, any advantage?

javier pintos · 09-01-2009, 01:37 PM

Hi guys, i´ve seen some LP that are stringed in a wrap round mode on the stop bar, is there any real change in tone/advantage (tone, sustain, etc) in doing this?

I´m willing to try on my next string change, however if you guys have done it befor it would help to know what to expect or what to watch out for

Also i´m debating if i go for the wrap round thing or change the stopbar to the gibson stopbar with the fine tuners, i kinda feel the tuning is not very stable, you guys know if this would help, and if any has changed the stopbar for one of this things have notice any possitive or negative change on tone, sustain, etc?

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thanks in advance and have a nice day

T-Bird · 09-01-2009, 02:15 PM

Hi.

Got a pic?

Wrap around on the stop bar?

You don't mean the 2nd generation LP bar tailpiece, the one just before the tune-o-matic was introduced?

I can't see any advantage for wrapping around the stop-bar, the break angle would be quite bad in either way.

As for the Gibson fine-tune stop bar, I have one in my 91 Firebird and frankly, with those God forsaken banjo tuners the axe has, there's no way it would be playable (tuneable) in any other way.

Regards
Sam

Antony75 · 09-01-2009, 02:29 PM

Hey,

I tried it on mine after reading a few things about it on the web and noticed no difference in sound whatsoever. The only discernable difference was that it seemed easier to bend teh strings when soloing.

The best thing I ever did to increase the tone and sustain on my LP was to screw down the stopbar as far down as it would go to the body.

javier pintos · 09-01-2009, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antony75

Hey,

I tried it on mine after reading a few things about it on the web and noticed no difference in sound whatsoever. The only discernable difference was that it seemed easier to bend teh strings when soloing.

The best thing I ever did to increase the tone and sustain on my LP was to screw down the stopbar as far down as it would go to the body.

dis it help any on tuning stability?

javier pintos · 09-01-2009, 02:59 PM

Check the Billy Gibbons pearly gates on the gibson web site , thet´s what i mean,
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I have a LPs tudio with tunomatic

chewy · 09-01-2009, 03:09 PM

Zakk Wylde does that on his which apparently cuts down on string breakages

T-Bird · 09-01-2009, 03:16 PM

Hi.

Thanks for the pic.

I'd be worried about the break angle on the saddles and therefore losing some sustain. But the clarity might improve.

I thought You meaned the '53 and '54 bridge design like on Jeff Beck's signature:

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Regards
Sam

LesPaulopolis · 09-01-2009, 04:49 PM

It's called "top wrapping".

Pros: Slinkier feel
Cons: Ruins chrome/gold on your tail piece, also a sharp bend angle going up from your tailpiece (before it goes 'around' it).

People sometimes use the ball-ends of old strings and thread the new strings THRU the ball ends THEN into the tail piece. This keeps the wrapped around part of the string (just beyond the ball end) from having to make that steep angle.

Antony75 · 09-01-2009, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by javier pintos

Check the Billy Gibbons pearly gates on the gibson web site , thet´s what i mean,
Gibson - Gibson Guitar: Electric, Acoustic and Bass Guitars, Baldwin Pianos

I have a LPs tudio with tunomatic

Yup, that's exactly what I did, but like I say, didn't notice any sound/tone difference, just felt easier to bend. Best thing is to try it and see what you think, you may not notice any tone changes but you may like the way it feels to play. Personally I reverted back to the normal way of stringing as I didn't like the feel, (prefer a bit more tension but only use 10 gauge strings), but each to their own I say.

Would +1 the chome damage comment though, didn't happen to mine as only tried it for a couple of weeks, but I should imagine that it would do something to the chrome over a period of time. Having said that, if you like what it does for your sound/playing, then probably doesn't matter a whole load.

javier pintos · 09-01-2009, 05:26 PM

mmmmmmm

I already use 9´s so it´s slinky enough, i do like it gritty so clarity is not a must, and if not perceived an improvement on tone, sounds like is not a winner, but i might end up trying it sometime

How bout the finetuning stop bar, on a regular tuners LP does it makes sence form the tuning stability (not tune ease)?, i might just need to adjust my stringing technique, but i find it hard to keep in tune my LP compared to my Strat which has locking tuners and a graphtech nut, so if the finetuning stop bar helps i would go for it

cheers and thanks for all the input so far

T-Bird · 09-01-2009, 05:53 PM

Hi.

IMLE the fine tuning stop bar doesn't stabilize anything, just makes the tuning easier.

It's been a great while since I had skinny 09's on any of my guitars, LP's or otherwise, but I have yet to have a fixed bridge guitar that didn't stay in tune. I've have had about 30 or so in case You're wondering.

Are You sure that the tuners/machine heads are holding?

Is the nut binding?

Do all the strings go out of tune or only one or two?

What kind of strings do You use?

Regards
Sam

javier pintos · 09-01-2009, 07:02 PM

Well here it goes

The guitar is new (´08 made but sat at the store a good while)

Nut, i´ll have to check

All strings go out of tune, for example when the AC on / off they all go out of tune but that´s the temp the guitar is at, but once the temp is stable and the guitar tuned, a couple of songs and most the time lower E and A strings go out of tune and G sting def goes out of tune

I use Ernie Ball SS´9´s, i had the same behavior when using Gibson 10´s, did the entonation when changed the strings gauge, i´m trying a different brand of strings on my next change to se if it stays the same or it changes

and def i have a pending visit to the local luthiser to have a setup check

American Viking · 09-01-2009, 07:38 PM

I top wrapped on my LP Special, I didn't really like it. The goal is to drop the tailpiece down to the body to add more vibrations to the body of the guitar, since the Special is not an arch-top like most Les Pauls it didn't work so well since the bridge is curved. I did it the night before a gig and when I was soloing I was bending notes right off the fret board since it was easier to bend. Made me look like a really sloppy player that night, can't say I'm going to stick with it. It does hold the tuning just the same though, even better if you do what Les Paulopolis was saying with the old ball ends.

Antony75 · 09-02-2009, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by javier pintos

Well here it goes

The guitar is new (´08 made but sat at the store a good while)

Nut, i´ll have to check

All strings go out of tune, for example when the AC on / off they all go out of tune but that´s the temp the guitar is at, but once the temp is stable and the guitar tuned, a couple of songs and most the time lower E and A strings go out of tune and G sting def goes out of tune

I use Ernie Ball SS´9´s, i had the same behavior when using Gibson 10´s, did the entonation when changed the strings gauge, i´m trying a different brand of strings on my next change to se if it stays the same or it changes

and def i have a pending visit to the local luthiser to have a setup check

Apologies if I'm teaching you to suck eggs on this one, but are you stretching the strings out when you restring your guitar as if not, this will make your guitar go out of tune whilst your playing, until they strings find their natural length, otherwise my first check would be the tuners and making sure that the strings aren't 'catching' in the nut (a bit of graphite from a pencil rubbed into the nut slots worked wonders on my LP)

Kendall124 · 09-02-2009, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antony75

Apologies if I'm teaching you to suck eggs on this one,

My thoughts exactly. Are you stringing your guitar correctly? God , I feel terrible asking that. But Antony75 is right. Get lots of string on the peg head (but not too much) Keep tension on the string while winding. And then start bending. My Pauls stays in tune. Sure, the G string likes to go a little flat but don't all Pauls do that?

I tried the wrap around. Felt weird on my palm. (uh, that sounded bad)
Viking is correct. The idea is so you can put the stoptail down all the way to the body, thus generating more sustain. Wrapping your strings out the back lessens the angle of the string as it goes to the tunomatic. Makes sense?

Lots of tuning vids on Youtube. I won't insult you by posting a link.

Antony75 · 09-02-2009, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kendall124

My thoughts exactly. Are you stringing your guitar correctly? God , I feel terrible asking that. But Antony75 is right. Get lots of string on the peg head (but not too much) Keep tension on the string while winding. And then start bending. My Pauls stays in tune. Sure, the G string likes to go a little flat but don't all Pauls do that?

I tried the wrap around. Felt weird on my palm. (uh, that sounded bad)
Viking is correct. The idea is so you can put the stoptail down all the way to the body, thus generating more sustain. Wrapping your strings out the back lessens the angle of the string as it goes to the tunomatic. Makes sense?

Lots of tuning vids on Youtube. I won't insult you by posting a link.

That is a real pain in the ass isn;t it, why is it that the G always goes out of tune, anyone know?

javier pintos · 09-02-2009, 12:08 PM

i take no offence on any of your comments, you might never know if someone has a better way to suck eggs, wich by the way suck and egg in mexico is equivalent to suck your nuts/balls, so no i do not know how to suck and egg jajajaja

good to know all pauls g string likes to go out of tune so i´ll pay special attention to it since it´s the one that bothers me the most, and yes anyone knows why?

i do keep tension on the strings while stringing, the thing here is i might not be as handy at that since my only other guitar is a strat with locking tuners so no much winding needed there, i also do the hand stretching and bending

on the paul i keep like 4 turns on the low strings and at least 5 on the high ones and i do the under the first turn thing to keep the string "locked"

I´ll do the pencil thing next time, i changed my strat nut to a graphtech so i´m used not to apply anyother thing on it, is nut sauce worth the $$ or just as good as a pencil?, anyone changed to a graphtech nut on a LP?

Tkx you all guys

American Viking · 09-03-2009, 04:52 AM

That g-string is always a bitch ain't it? Usually how I get it to stay in tune is I make sure I always rotate the tuning key to tighten, never tune it by loosening. If I have to loosen it, I go way down and bend the string as I bring it back up. The string grabs on those plastic nuts and leaves slack between the nut and tuning key so when you bend it pulls that slack out. If it wasn't such a sin, (and an ugly one at that) I'd have a locking nut and fine tuners on my Gibsons, but it looks so damn good without 'em.

javier pintos · 09-03-2009, 09:20 PM

tkx AV, that sounds good enoug for me, i´ll try it next time, i gave it a thought about locking tuners for the LP, but i just can´t image it with the ones i´ve seen, the green ones great IMO, and i just can´t bring myself to change them

Benito · 10-26-2009, 04:43 PM

Ok as some one who get so fed up with tuning issues on a LP I fitted Grover locking heads on mine, but for my Nighthawk i use as little string round the post as poss, less string less to stretch and in out of tune i reckon, got that tucking under trick from the Gibson website, i rarely have more than two turns round the post on any string and my tuning is rock solid.

Frankie · 10-27-2009, 03:11 PM

He's not talking about top wrapping his tailpiece, he's talking about a wraparound bridge. They definitely have tonal differences from the two-piece tune-o-matic setup. You'll get a sweet vintage vibe, and some people say more sustain.

big dooley · 10-30-2009, 06:39 PM

i topwrap my les paul too.... it makes it a lot easier bending the .012's on my LP
i think, you'll get the biggest benefit out of it, when you're playing with heavy strings, like me

normally i had to raise the stopbar about 1cm, because the strings were touching the rear end of the bridge, which i didn't like... with topwrapping i can screw that stopbar all the way down, without touching the rear part of the bridge... it works on some LP's but not all, though!

javier pintos · 11-03-2009, 01:32 PM

well i did it (i actually was talking about top wraping my tail piece), i dont know if i like it or not yet, i do notice is a bit slinkier wich is nice but i got more freting on it, so i´ll have to adjust it a bit, i did change to GHS boomers at the same time, but i guess that should not be the problem, i also screwed the tailpiece all the way down and notices a brigter and more sustained sound, so next strings change i´ll go normal and see what i like best

bro blue · 11-03-2009, 05:37 PM

I have tried this on several LP and LP clones - no tonal difference at all. It does change the feel, but zero tone difference.

Keefoman · 11-03-2009, 05:46 PM

Tried it on both my LP's. A little more resonant acoustically, but no difference through an amp whatsoever. However, I liked the feel playingwise, so it has stayed that way.

ant_riv · 11-04-2009, 07:43 AM

Hello-
I noticed you said you have 4 - 5 wraps around the tuning pegs.

As a few have mentioned, that might be part of the problem.

You could have:
1. too sharp an angle over the nut caused by so many winds making the string angle very steep on the headstock side and then binding in the nut.
2. The extra wraps could be stretching out slower due to the tension around the post. Typically 2 - 3 wraps should be enough, and if you are using the string wrap/lock technique 1.5 - 2 wraps should be enough.

Take care, and let us know how you solve the problem.

javier pintos · 11-06-2009, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ant_riv

Hello-
I noticed you said you have 4 - 5 wraps around the tuning pegs.

As a few have mentioned, that might be part of the problem.

You could have:
1. too sharp an angle over the nut caused by so many winds making the string angle very steep on the headstock side and then binding in the nut.
2. The extra wraps could be stretching out slower due to the tension around the post. Typically 2 - 3 wraps should be enough, and if you are using the string wrap/lock technique 1.5 - 2 wraps should be enough.

Take care, and let us know how you solve the problem.

Thanks i´ll keep it in mind next string change, this time i uses less wraps, iirc i did just 3 winds and i have seen some improvement, so next change i`ll just do 2 at the most

Best regards!!!!

donkost · 11-08-2009, 12:57 AM

I think I'm going to give the top wrap a shot on my Epi ZW Les Paul since I bought it to experiment with anyway (love the barely finished neck). I've always used 9 - 42 for easier bending on the higher strings and this one came with 10 - 46 Brite Wires. It sounds as though they should bend more easily with the top wrap and I might even try 11 - 50 for a bigger tone.

theflyingmat · 11-08-2009, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by big dooley

i topwrap my les paul too.... it makes it a lot easier bending the .012's on my LP
i think, you'll get the biggest benefit out of it, when you're playing with heavy strings, like me

normally i had to raise the stopbar about 1cm, because the strings were touching the rear end of the bridge, which i didn't like... with topwrapping i can screw that stopbar all the way down, without touching the rear part of the bridge... it works on some LP's but not all, though!

I've top wrapped for years now. Especially when using 11's. One thing as mentioned above is the need to get the 'break angle' correct over the bridge, down to the stop piece. You need to set up the string height as you like it. Then screw down the stop tail until you get it as low as possible without the strings touching the back edge of the bridge. If it's touching the bridge edge then tone will be lost due to the string vibs not getting through to the stop piece, and on to the body. Obviously some break angles can be lesser or greater than other due to string height preffered. Also some neck angles are different from models (so I'm led to believe).
I noticed a big change in my sound and playability of my LP after doing this.....for the better.

RobS · 11-09-2009, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by American Viking

That g-string is always a bitch ain't it? Usually how I get it to stay in tune is I make sure I always rotate the tuning key to tighten, never tune it by loosening. If I have to loosen it, I go way down and bend the string as I bring it back up. The string grabs on those plastic nuts and leaves slack between the nut and tuning key so when you bend it pulls that slack out. If it wasn't such a sin, (and an ugly one at that) I'd have a locking nut and fine tuners on my Gibsons, but it looks so damn good without 'em.

The best thing to do is replace the plastic nut with a brass one. My PS10 has a brass nut and never suffers any binding whatsoever. My LP trad had the dreaded g-string binding issue really bad. My tech opened up the slot slightly and that helped heaps. So much for the PLEK system (although it does a great job on the frets), nothing will replace a human when it comes to some things. Also the pencil lead is a must. Mine now stays in tune very well however I am looking at getting a brass nut made up for it as it also adds to the sustain.

my 2 cents!

09-01-2009, 01:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
javier pintos Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mexico Posts: 323	stopbar wrap round on a LP, any advantage? Hi guys, i´ve seen some LP that are stringed in a wrap round mode on the stop bar, is there any real change in tone/advantage (tone, sustain, etc) in doing this? I´m willing to try on my next string change, however if you guys have done it befor it would help to know what to expect or what to watch out for Also i´m debating if i go for the wrap round thing or change the stopbar to the gibson stopbar with the fine tuners, i kinda feel the tuning is not very stable, you guys know if this would help, and if any has changed the stopbar for one of this things have notice any possitive or negative change on tone, sustain, etc? Gibson Guitar Parts Store - Buy TP-6 Gold Guitar Stop Bar With Studs and Inserts, Guitar Strings and Replacement Parts thanks in advance and have a nice day

09-01-2009, 02:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
T-Bird Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Finland (Northern Europe) Posts: 151	Re: stopbar wrap round on a LP, any advantage? Hi. Got a pic? Wrap around on the stop bar? You don't mean the 2nd generation LP bar tailpiece, the one just before the tune-o-matic was introduced? I can't see any advantage for wrapping around the stop-bar, the break angle would be quite bad in either way. As for the Gibson fine-tune stop bar, I have one in my 91 Firebird and frankly, with those God forsaken banjo tuners the axe has, there's no way it would be playable (tuneable) in any other way. Regards Sam

09-01-2009, 02:29 PM	#3 (permalink)
Antony75 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Norwich, UK Posts: 8	Re: stopbar wrap round on a LP, any advantage? Hey, I tried it on mine after reading a few things about it on the web and noticed no difference in sound whatsoever. The only discernable difference was that it seemed easier to bend teh strings when soloing. The best thing I ever did to increase the tone and sustain on my LP was to screw down the stopbar as far down as it would go to the body. __________________ Marshall JCM2000 DSL100 Marshall JCM900 1960A Marshall AVT 250 1992 Epiphone Les Paul (modded with SD APH-1 neck/bridge pups) Jackson Dinky (heavily modded with single SD Distortion pup) Crybaby Wah Boss TU-2 Boss OD-1 (Monte Allums modded) Boss SD-1 Boss GE-7 Boss CE-5 Boss DD-7

09-01-2009, 02:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
javier pintos Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mexico Posts: 323	Re: stopbar wrap round on a LP, any advantage? Check the Billy Gibbons pearly gates on the gibson web site , thet´s what i mean, Gibson - Gibson Guitar: Electric, Acoustic and Bass Guitars, Baldwin Pianos I have a LPs tudio with tunomatic

09-01-2009, 03:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
chewy Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Shoe Town, UK Posts: 39	Re: stopbar wrap round on a LP, any advantage? Zakk Wylde does that on his which apparently cuts down on string breakages

09-01-2009, 03:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
T-Bird Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Finland (Northern Europe) Posts: 151	Re: stopbar wrap round on a LP, any advantage? Hi. Thanks for the pic. I'd be worried about the break angle on the saddles and therefore losing some sustain. But the clarity might improve. I thought You meaned the '53 and '54 bridge design like on Jeff Beck's signature: Gibson - Gibson Guitar: Electric, Acoustic and Bass Guitars, Baldwin Pianos Regards Sam

09-01-2009, 04:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
LesPaulopolis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 250	Re: stopbar wrap round on a LP, any advantage? It's called "top wrapping". Pros: Slinkier feel Cons: Ruins chrome/gold on your tail piece, also a sharp bend angle going up from your tailpiece (before it goes 'around' it). People sometimes use the ball-ends of old strings and thread the new strings THRU the ball ends THEN into the tail piece. This keeps the wrapped around part of the string (just beyond the ball end) from having to make that steep angle. __________________ '68 RI LP Custom JCM900 + EQ & Boost

09-01-2009, 05:26 PM	#10 (permalink)
javier pintos Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mexico Posts: 323	Re: stopbar wrap round on a LP, any advantage? mmmmmmm I already use 9´s so it´s slinky enough, i do like it gritty so clarity is not a must, and if not perceived an improvement on tone, sounds like is not a winner, but i might end up trying it sometime How bout the finetuning stop bar, on a regular tuners LP does it makes sence form the tuning stability (not tune ease)?, i might just need to adjust my stringing technique, but i find it hard to keep in tune my LP compared to my Strat which has locking tuners and a graphtech nut, so if the finetuning stop bar helps i would go for it cheers and thanks for all the input so far

09-01-2009, 05:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
T-Bird Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Finland (Northern Europe) Posts: 151	Re: stopbar wrap round on a LP, any advantage? Hi. IMLE the fine tuning stop bar doesn't stabilize anything, just makes the tuning easier. It's been a great while since I had skinny 09's on any of my guitars, LP's or otherwise, but I have yet to have a fixed bridge guitar that didn't stay in tune. I've have had about 30 or so in case You're wondering. Are You sure that the tuners/machine heads are holding? Is the nut binding? Do all the strings go out of tune or only one or two? What kind of strings do You use? Regards Sam

09-01-2009, 07:02 PM	#12 (permalink)
javier pintos Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mexico Posts: 323	Re: stopbar wrap round on a LP, any advantage? Well here it goes The guitar is new (´08 made but sat at the store a good while) Nut, i´ll have to check All strings go out of tune, for example when the AC on / off they all go out of tune but that´s the temp the guitar is at, but once the temp is stable and the guitar tuned, a couple of songs and most the time lower E and A strings go out of tune and G sting def goes out of tune I use Ernie Ball SS´9´s, i had the same behavior when using Gibson 10´s, did the entonation when changed the strings gauge, i´m trying a different brand of strings on my next change to se if it stays the same or it changes and def i have a pending visit to the local luthiser to have a setup check

09-01-2009, 07:38 PM	#13 (permalink)
American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 1,510	Re: stopbar wrap round on a LP, any advantage? I top wrapped on my LP Special, I didn't really like it. The goal is to drop the tailpiece down to the body to add more vibrations to the body of the guitar, since the Special is not an arch-top like most Les Pauls it didn't work so well since the bridge is curved. I did it the night before a gig and when I was soloing I was bending notes right off the fret board since it was easier to bend. Made me look like a really sloppy player that night, can't say I'm going to stick with it. It does hold the tuning just the same though, even better if you do what Les Paulopolis was saying with the old ball ends. __________________ -I'd rather be a good liver than have one...

09-02-2009, 12:08 PM	#17 (permalink)
javier pintos Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mexico Posts: 323	Re: stopbar wrap round on a LP, any advantage? i take no offence on any of your comments, you might never know if someone has a better way to suck eggs, wich by the way suck and egg in mexico is equivalent to suck your nuts/balls, so no i do not know how to suck and egg jajajaja good to know all pauls g string likes to go out of tune so i´ll pay special attention to it since it´s the one that bothers me the most, and yes anyone knows why? i do keep tension on the strings while stringing, the thing here is i might not be as handy at that since my only other guitar is a strat with locking tuners so no much winding needed there, i also do the hand stretching and bending on the paul i keep like 4 turns on the low strings and at least 5 on the high ones and i do the under the first turn thing to keep the string "locked" I´ll do the pencil thing next time, i changed my strat nut to a graphtech so i´m used not to apply anyother thing on it, is nut sauce worth the $$ or just as good as a pencil?, anyone changed to a graphtech nut on a LP? Tkx you all guys

09-03-2009, 04:52 AM	#18 (permalink)
American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 1,510	Re: stopbar wrap round on a LP, any advantage? That g-string is always a bitch ain't it? Usually how I get it to stay in tune is I make sure I always rotate the tuning key to tighten, never tune it by loosening. If I have to loosen it, I go way down and bend the string as I bring it back up. The string grabs on those plastic nuts and leaves slack between the nut and tuning key so when you bend it pulls that slack out. If it wasn't such a sin, (and an ugly one at that) I'd have a locking nut and fine tuners on my Gibsons, but it looks so damn good without 'em. __________________ -I'd rather be a good liver than have one...

09-03-2009, 09:20 PM	#19 (permalink)
javier pintos Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mexico Posts: 323	Re: stopbar wrap round on a LP, any advantage? tkx AV, that sounds good enoug for me, i´ll try it next time, i gave it a thought about locking tuners for the LP, but i just can´t image it with the ones i´ve seen, the green ones great IMO, and i just can´t bring myself to change them

10-26-2009, 04:43 PM	#20 (permalink)
Benito Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 21	Re: stopbar wrap round on a LP, any advantage? Ok as some one who get so fed up with tuning issues on a LP I fitted Grover locking heads on mine, but for my Nighthawk i use as little string round the post as poss, less string less to stretch and in out of tune i reckon, got that tucking under trick from the Gibson website, i rarely have more than two turns round the post on any string and my tuning is rock solid. __________________ I love it when a plan comes together.......... 1981 JCM 800 4010 Vox Valvetronix LE Gibson LP Studio..tweeked Gibson Nighthawk Special

10-27-2009, 03:11 PM	#21 (permalink)
Frankie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 362	Re: stopbar wrap round on a LP, any advantage? He's not talking about top wrapping his tailpiece, he's talking about a wraparound bridge. They definitely have tonal differences from the two-piece tune-o-matic setup. You'll get a sweet vintage vibe, and some people say more sustain. __________________ w w w . c o w b o y m a f i a . n e t Myspace.com \| YouTube \| Facebook

10-30-2009, 06:39 PM	#22 (permalink)
big dooley Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: zealand, netherlands Posts: 397	Re: stopbar wrap round on a LP, any advantage? i topwrap my les paul too.... it makes it a lot easier bending the .012's on my LP i think, you'll get the biggest benefit out of it, when you're playing with heavy strings, like me normally i had to raise the stopbar about 1cm, because the strings were touching the rear end of the bridge, which i didn't like... with topwrapping i can screw that stopbar all the way down, without touching the rear part of the bridge... it works on some LP's but not all, though!

11-03-2009, 01:32 PM	#23 (permalink)
javier pintos Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mexico Posts: 323	Re: stopbar wrap round on a LP, any advantage? well i did it (i actually was talking about top wraping my tail piece), i dont know if i like it or not yet, i do notice is a bit slinkier wich is nice but i got more freting on it, so i´ll have to adjust it a bit, i did change to GHS boomers at the same time, but i guess that should not be the problem, i also screwed the tailpiece all the way down and notices a brigter and more sustained sound, so next strings change i´ll go normal and see what i like best

11-03-2009, 05:37 PM	#24 (permalink)
bro blue Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern USA Posts: 112	Re: stopbar wrap round on a LP, any advantage? I have tried this on several LP and LP clones - no tonal difference at all. It does change the feel, but zero tone difference.

11-03-2009, 05:46 PM	#25 (permalink)
Keefoman Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 112	Re: stopbar wrap round on a LP, any advantage? Tried it on both my LP's. A little more resonant acoustically, but no difference through an amp whatsoever. However, I liked the feel playingwise, so it has stayed that way. __________________ www.myspace.com/auduneggen

11-04-2009, 07:43 AM	#26 (permalink)
ant_riv Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8	Re: stopbar wrap round on a LP, any advantage? Hello- I noticed you said you have 4 - 5 wraps around the tuning pegs. As a few have mentioned, that might be part of the problem. You could have: 1. too sharp an angle over the nut caused by so many winds making the string angle very steep on the headstock side and then binding in the nut. 2. The extra wraps could be stretching out slower due to the tension around the post. Typically 2 - 3 wraps should be enough, and if you are using the string wrap/lock technique 1.5 - 2 wraps should be enough. Take care, and let us know how you solve the problem.

11-08-2009, 12:57 AM	#28 (permalink)
donkost Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 64	Re: stopbar wrap round on a LP, any advantage? I think I'm going to give the top wrap a shot on my Epi ZW Les Paul since I bought it to experiment with anyway (love the barely finished neck). I've always used 9 - 42 for easier bending on the higher strings and this one came with 10 - 46 Brite Wires. It sounds as though they should bend more easily with the top wrap and I might even try 11 - 50 for a bigger tone. __________________ 2009 Marshall JCM2000 DSL100 w/MC412A cab 1988 Mesa/Boogie Mark III 60W combo w/EV12L 1988 Gibson Les Paul Custom 1998 Peavey Wolfgang Special 2008 Gretsch G5120 2008 Ibanez RG2550Z 2009 Epiphone Zakk Wylde L.P. (bullseye) Jonesing for a Strat ever since reading "Blackmore tone" thread Pedaltrain PT-Pro w/numerous stomp boxes

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