paint problem

carlocki · 06-23-2012, 05:11 AM

I hung my Jackson guitar to a Chinese guitar wall hanger, and today I noticed that near the headtsotck there are two yellow spoit on white lacquered paint
anyone know how to remove them?

is the poor quality rubber that had ruin the paint.

Söulcaster · 06-23-2012, 05:16 AM

Yes poor quality rubber....never put an expensive guitar on to a cheap stand.

I don't think this can be removed...

carlocki · 06-23-2012, 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Söulcaster

Yes poor quality rubber....never put an expensive guitar on to a cheap stand.

I don't think this can be removed...

so sad...

***crossroadsnyc*** · 06-23-2012, 07:45 AM

The two stands (manufacturers) that I would recommend are:

1) Hercules

2) Ultimate

Now, personally, I prefer the Ultimate Support stands (I'm just more comfortable w/the body resting, rather than hanging by the headstock on the Hercules) ... however, there are probably more people overall that have no problem hanging the guitar by the headstock, and actually prefer the Hercules stands.

Regardless, both of these stand manufacturers will offer you something that you'll be very happy with.

In a way, stands are a form of insurance ... don't cheap out.

HeHasTheJazzHands · 06-23-2012, 07:48 AM

And this is why I can't gel with delicate finishes like Nitro.

***crossroadsnyc*** · 06-23-2012, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by HeHasTheJazzHands

And this is why I can't gel with delicate finishes like Nitro.

I've never had an issue w/either the Ultimate or Hercules stands when it comes to a nitro finish ... in fact, I've left nitro finished guitars on there for months at a time w/out any problems.

HeHasTheJazzHands · 06-23-2012, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crossroadsnyc

I've never had an issue w/either the Ultimate or Hercules stands when it comes to a nitro finish ... in fact, I've left nitro finished guitars on there for months at a time w/out any problems.

I don't mean with stand use. I'm just pretty brutal with guitars. Thats why I'm afraid to be a vintage guitar collector.

***crossroadsnyc*** · 06-23-2012, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by HeHasTheJazzHands

I don't mean with stand use. I'm just pretty brutal with guitars. Thats why I'm afraid to be a vintage guitar collector.

trenchcoat · 06-23-2012, 08:47 AM

I have a friend with a Jeff Beck Strat. His rubber hanger ate the finish off. Two spots of bare wood now.

Australian · 06-23-2012, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlocki

I hung my Jackson guitar to a Chinese guitar wall hanger, and today I noticed that near the headtsotck there are two yellow spoit on white lacquered paint
anyone know how to remove them?

is the poor quality rubber that had ruin the paint.

Its a disgrace! They should be held accountable for selling a defective product.
I saved a white Gibson just in time I wiped the neck with a rag and it got rid of the slight yellowing.
BTW its summer in a hot room where it is most dangerous.

What I do now is wrap cloth over the rubber parts of the stand.
Dont risk it. It will eventually damage your guitar.

trenchcoat · 06-23-2012, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Australian

Its a disgrace! They should be held accountable for selling a defective product.
I saved a white Gibson just in time I wiped the neck with a rag and it got rid of the slight yellowing.
BTW its summer in a hot room where it is most dangerous.

What I do now is wrap cloth over the rubber parts of the stand.
Dont risk it. It will eventually damage your guitar.

agreed

SmokeyDopey · 06-23-2012, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeHasTheJazzHands

I don't mean with stand use. I'm just pretty brutal with guitars. Thats why I'm afraid to be a vintage guitar collector.

Same here. I just want a peice of wood with metal parts to bang on.

carlocki · 06-23-2012, 12:38 PM

any non aggressive product to try to remove them...

Doug_1970 · 06-24-2012, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyDopey

Same here. I just want a peice of wood with metal parts to bang on.

I concur, and so does Yngwie too - Real men stack guitars, and wear armor!!!!

johnfv · 06-24-2012, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Australian

...What I do now is wrap cloth over the rubber parts of the stand.
Dont risk it. It will eventually damage your guitar.

Exactly. I have a beautiful blond Guild Jumbo that is permanently marred. Now I buy boys cotton socks and put them over the hangers (see below). I even wash them well before I use them. I do have a Hercules stand also but I'm not gonna risk it. With cheap stands I have seen discoloration on nitro in a day or two.

carlocki · 06-24-2012, 07:52 PM

but about some solution product to try??

IbanezMark · 06-24-2012, 08:54 PM

You can try to clean the stains with some Naphtha, but the damage is probably melted thru the nitro.

Next time, wrap the stand with a cotton rag. Lots of people have run into this, I was fortunate enough to read about it before it happened to me.

TKOjams · 06-25-2012, 08:10 AM

I remove the rubber from the points that touch the finish and replaced it with surgical tubing.
The damage to the finish can not be removed without refinishing the neck of the guitar.

carlocki · 06-25-2012, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TKOjams

I remove the rubber from the points that touch the finish and replaced it with surgical tubing.
The damage to the finish can not be removed without refinishing the neck of the guitar.

maybe some restoration product

like to remove spot from a leonardo da vinci painting.

TKOjams · 06-25-2012, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlocki

maybe some restoration product

like to remove spot from a leonardo da vinci painting.

No, the rubber has had a chemical reaction with the lacquer. It goes all the way through the lacquer, there is no removing it without a refinish. Sorry man.
It sucks, trust me I know. I had a stand F**k up the finish on a white Gibson doubleneck I used to own.

carlocki · 06-25-2012, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TKOjams

No, the rubber has had a chemical reaction with the lacquer. It goes all the way through the lacquer, there is no removing it without a refinish. Sorry man.
It sucks, trust me I know. I had a stand F**k up the finish on a white Gibson doubleneck I used to own.

i am asking to a friend about paintings restoration...

anitoli · 06-25-2012, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TKOjams

No, the rubber has had a chemical reaction with the lacquer. It goes all the way through the lacquer, there is no removing it without a refinish. Sorry man.
It sucks, trust me I know. I had a stand F**k up the finish on a white Gibson doubleneck I used to own.

Nitro is porus it allows lots of stuff to pass. My EDS1275 still smells like smoke! (both kinds).

TKOjams · 06-25-2012, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anitoli

Nitro is porus it allows lots of stuff to pass. My EDS1275 still smells like smoke! (both kinds).

Yes this is true, but I fail make a correlation between you guitar smelling like smoke, and the OP's finish problem.

Help me out here, what are you onto?

carlocki · 06-26-2012, 05:28 AM

a liuther told me about white petroil

Reckless_Life · 06-26-2012, 07:40 AM

I got a guitar wall mount by König & Meyer.
Anyone know if these are ok with nitro finishes??

TKOjams · 06-26-2012, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reckless_Life

I got a guitar wall mount by König & Meyer.
Anyone know if these are ok with nitro finishes??

Search the net for reviews.

TKOjams · 06-26-2012, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlocki

a liuther told me about white petroil

.

Maklaca · 06-26-2012, 10:25 AM

Wow, after reading this, I went home and checked my guitars. My LP custom has been hanging up and it looks like the binding has some darkening where the hangers rub. Thankfully the paint is black or I would suspect that the paint would have and issue as well.

I have noticed lately that the binding was getting dark there, but never put it together with the hanger. That sucks!!!
Maybe I'll try the surgical tubing trick. That looks like it would work.
I sure do learn a lot from this forum though.

anitoli · 06-26-2012, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TKOjams

Yes this is true, but I fail make a correlation between you guitar smelling like smoke, and the OP's finish problem.

Help me out here, what are you onto?

The OP stated the finish was lacquer which is porus and supposedly allows the instrument to "breathe". Gibson has used this argument for years to claim why their guitars sounded better. Not only will it absorb odors it will allow lots of thing to pass. Look at the spot on used gibbos where your arm rests across the top of the body. Skin chemicals,acids, sweat, can quickly make a disfigured area on the finish and theres really nothing you can do about it.

The OP's discoloration started from the bad rubber on the surface of the lacquer ( which had a chemical reaction to the lacquer ) and then went through it. It will absorb stains as well as odors. Any guitar that "yellows" with age is lacquered. Remember lacquer is made from cotton dissolved in nitric and sulfuric acids then liquified with fast drying solvents. Your ax is basically covered in chemically recomposed organic matter and it is quite delicate, and WILL negatively react to different chemicals or substances.

If you dont want the dissapointment of finish problems such as the kind that occur with lacquer (checking, discoloration, ect) i would strongly reccomend guitars finished in polyester.

IbanezMark · 06-26-2012, 05:59 PM

TKO Jams knows his stuff when it comes to finishing. I think he was just prodding a bit

06-23-2012, 05:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
carlocki Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Rieti Posts: 391	paint problem I hung my Jackson guitar to a Chinese guitar wall hanger, and today I noticed that near the headtsotck there are two yellow spoit on white lacquered paint anyone know how to remove them? is the poor quality rubber that had ruin the paint. __________________ Jackson rr1 - Gibson Explorer 2012 - charvel 375 dlx - fender strat big headstock 1979 Jcm 900 dual rev 4100 (EL34) lead 900 cab g12t75 speakers JCM 2000 DSL201 turbo tuner Boss sd-1/ge-7/gt6 (4cm) Carlocki on youtube

06-23-2012, 07:45 AM	#4 (permalink)
*crossroadsnyc* Moderator Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 8,090	Re: paint problem The two stands (manufacturers) that I would recommend are: 1) Hercules 2) Ultimate Now, personally, I prefer the Ultimate Support stands (I'm just more comfortable w/the body resting, rather than hanging by the headstock on the Hercules) ... however, there are probably more people overall that have no problem hanging the guitar by the headstock, and actually prefer the Hercules stands. Regardless, both of these stand manufacturers will offer you something that you'll be very happy with. In a way, stands are a form of insurance ... don't cheap out. S.A.T.O. likes this.

06-23-2012, 07:48 AM	#5 (permalink)
HeHasTheJazzHands Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Louisiana Posts: 4,099	Re: paint problem And this is why I can't gel with delicate finishes like Nitro. __________________ Djong

06-23-2012, 08:47 AM	#9 (permalink)
trenchcoat Banned Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 281	Re: paint problem I have a friend with a Jeff Beck Strat. His rubber hanger ate the finish off. Two spots of bare wood now.

06-23-2012, 12:38 PM	#13 (permalink)
carlocki Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Rieti Posts: 391	Re: paint problem any non aggressive product to try to remove them... __________________ Jackson rr1 - Gibson Explorer 2012 - charvel 375 dlx - fender strat big headstock 1979 Jcm 900 dual rev 4100 (EL34) lead 900 cab g12t75 speakers JCM 2000 DSL201 turbo tuner Boss sd-1/ge-7/gt6 (4cm) Carlocki on youtube

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06-24-2012, 07:52 PM	#16 (permalink)
carlocki Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Rieti Posts: 391	Re: paint problem but about some solution product to try?? __________________ Jackson rr1 - Gibson Explorer 2012 - charvel 375 dlx - fender strat big headstock 1979 Jcm 900 dual rev 4100 (EL34) lead 900 cab g12t75 speakers JCM 2000 DSL201 turbo tuner Boss sd-1/ge-7/gt6 (4cm) Carlocki on youtube

06-24-2012, 08:54 PM	#17 (permalink)
IbanezMark Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ottawa, ON Posts: 7,093	Re: paint problem You can try to clean the stains with some Naphtha, but the damage is probably melted thru the nitro. Next time, wrap the stand with a cotton rag. Lots of people have run into this, I was fortunate enough to read about it before it happened to me. __________________ Life is hard. It's even harder if you're stupid.

06-25-2012, 08:10 AM	#18 (permalink)
TKOjams Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Connecicut USA Posts: 78	Re: paint problem I remove the rubber from the points that touch the finish and replaced it with surgical tubing. The damage to the finish can not be removed without refinishing the neck of the guitar.

06-26-2012, 05:28 AM	#24 (permalink)
carlocki Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Rieti Posts: 391	Re: paint problem a liuther told me about white petroil __________________ Jackson rr1 - Gibson Explorer 2012 - charvel 375 dlx - fender strat big headstock 1979 Jcm 900 dual rev 4100 (EL34) lead 900 cab g12t75 speakers JCM 2000 DSL201 turbo tuner Boss sd-1/ge-7/gt6 (4cm) Carlocki on youtube

06-26-2012, 07:40 AM	#25 (permalink)
Reckless_Life Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 703	Re: paint problem I got a guitar wall mount by König & Meyer. Anyone know if these are ok with nitro finishes?? __________________ 1984 Marshall JCM 800 2203 1984 Marshall JCM 800 2204C 1988 Marshall JCM 800 2205 1990 Marshall JCM 800 2210 2007 Marshall JCM 800 2203KK Peavey Bandit 112S TT (1st gen) Peavey 5150

06-26-2012, 10:25 AM	#28 (permalink)
Maklaca Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 97	Re: paint problem Wow, after reading this, I went home and checked my guitars. My LP custom has been hanging up and it looks like the binding has some darkening where the hangers rub. Thankfully the paint is black or I would suspect that the paint would have and issue as well. I have noticed lately that the binding was getting dark there, but never put it together with the hanger. That sucks!!! Maybe I'll try the surgical tubing trick. That looks like it would work. I sure do learn a lot from this forum though. TKOjams likes this.

06-26-2012, 05:59 PM	#30 (permalink)
IbanezMark Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ottawa, ON Posts: 7,093	Re: paint problem TKO Jams knows his stuff when it comes to finishing. I think he was just prodding a bit TKOjams likes this. __________________ Life is hard. It's even harder if you're stupid.

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