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Unread 06-27-2012, 12:20 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Unread 06-27-2012, 12:30 AM   #32 (permalink)
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The OP stated the finish was lacquer which is porus and supposedly allows the instrument to "breathe". Gibson has used this argument for years to claim why their guitars sounded better. Not only will it absorb odors it will allow lots of thing to pass. Look at the spot on used gibbos where your arm rests across the top of the body. Skin chemicals,acids, sweat, can quickly make a disfigured area on the finish and theres really nothing you can do about it.

The OP's discoloration started from the bad rubber on the surface of the lacquer ( which had a chemical reaction to the lacquer ) and then went through it. It will absorb stains as well as odors. Any guitar that "yellows" with age is lacquered. Remember lacquer is made from cotton dissolved in nitric and sulfuric acids then liquified with fast drying solvents. Your ax is basically covered in chemically recomposed organic matter and it is quite delicate, and WILL negatively react to different chemicals or substances.

If you dont want the dissapointment of finish problems such as the kind that occur with lacquer (checking, discoloration, ect) i would strongly reccomend guitars finished in polyester.
You can have all the plastic coated guitars you want

As for me, I'll finish mine in nitrocellulose lacquer, and I like checking as long as it's natural.
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Do we even know it's a Nitro finish? Jackson's generally use Poly finishes unless it's a custom shop or an older vintage model.

Make sure you know the finish first before you a apply a solution.
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Unread 06-28-2012, 12:29 AM   #36 (permalink)
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do we even know it's a nitro finish? Jackson's generally use poly finishes unless it's a custom shop or an older vintage model.

Make sure you know the finish first before you a apply a solution.
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You can have all the plastic coated guitars you want

As for me, I'll finish mine in nitrocellulose lacquer, and I like checking as long as it's natural.

Well dude YOU did ask a question, no?
So let me ask you one then, why would a nitro finished guitar retain residual smoke odor while a poly finished guitar used in the same enviroment for an equal ammount of time not have a residual smoke odor?
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Unread 06-28-2012, 04:33 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Well dude YOU did ask a question, no?
So let me ask you one then, why would a nitro finished guitar retain residual smoke odor while a poly finished guitar used in the same enviroment for an equal ammount of time not have a residual smoke odor?
You already know the reason why, and it has nothing to do with the reason the OP's guitar is having a reaction with hanger he's using. That's the reason I asked you why you brought it up.
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I think the RR1's are Poly finish not Nitro - yeah?
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You already know the reason why, and it has nothing to do with the reason the OP's guitar is having a reaction with hanger he's using. That's the reason I asked you why you brought it up.
The why has been established and can easily be avoided for further damage.

Knowing what it's made with is key if the OP plans on applying a chemical cleaner, what may work on Poly may mess up Nitro and vise versa...
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Unread 06-29-2012, 10:19 AM   #43 (permalink)
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The why has been established and can easily be avoided for further damage.

Knowing what it's made with is key if the OP plans on applying a chemical cleaner, what may work on Poly may mess up Nitro and vise versa...
It would be best to let sleeping dogs lie, change the rubber out on the hanger and not mess with the finish, but he seem intent on trying to clean it off. Bad move IMO, but hey it's not my guitar. If I were him I would test whatever he's going to use on it, under the pickguard, or in the pickup rout first to see if it eats the finish before going anywhere near the neck.

It would be nice to see an actual picture of the damage though.
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