Top wrapping an lp

jvm210guy · 05-30-2012, 12:58 AM

Still having a bit of distress over my lp. After practice today I realized that I'm not digging the tension on the strings of my lp so I decided to do a top wrap. How did it work? Not a difference....

The tail piece is to the deck, and it sounds different to my ears but it could be just the new strings. I'll see if it added sustain tomorrow when I can crank up an amp!!!

Anyway it looks cool!

brp · 05-30-2012, 01:20 AM

Ya I did one of mine awhile back

but I'm not sold on the difference if any, and I don't really get the science behind "easier bending" that's been alleged.
Could someone explain how that's supposed to work?

jvm210guy · 05-30-2012, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by brp

Ya I did one of mine awhile back

but I'm not sold on the difference if any, and I don't really get the science behind "easier bending" that's been alleged.
Could someone explain how that's supposed to work?

Ya it didn't work for me either, looks cool though right? I wouldn't get into the science of it though, it's full of contradicting opinions... I'm hoping at the least it adds sustain??? I'm switching to .9s tomorrow.

brp · 05-30-2012, 01:30 AM

Maybe try a hybrid gauge .009 to 46?
I may do that next change...

jvm210guy · 05-30-2012, 01:33 AM

Yes, I'm thinking about that actually...

HeHasTheJazzHands · 05-30-2012, 02:00 AM

Nope, didn't help me any tone-wise, but my strings last a bit longer.

Micky · 05-30-2012, 05:43 AM

I dare you to ask this question over at MLP forum...

***Adwex*** · 05-30-2012, 06:55 AM

I feel a slight difference, the strings feel like there's less tension (obviously the tension is the same though), making bends seem easier.

IbanezMark · 05-30-2012, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Adwex

I feel a slight difference, the strings feel like there's less tension (obviously the tension is the same though), making bends seem easier.

The tension of the string is the same, but the total length of the string changes past the break point. The difference is minor, but noticeable if you're normally a strat player

jvm210guy · 05-30-2012, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Micky

I dare you to ask this question over at MLP forum...

I did, pretty much any technical question over there becomes a joke, unfortunately...

Edit: got trolled, and someone said I was trying to imply something scientific. Pretty ****ed up and surprising, really...

SmokeyDopey · 05-30-2012, 08:10 AM

Won't the strings cause friction against the tailpeice, and leave some string marks (at least on the thicker strings?)

What I did with my LP to have a more open angle from where the string starts and lays on the saddle, was RAISE the tail peice a few milimeters.

No string marks, more open angle where the strings sit (pretty much the same as top wrapping).

Now, if it's because it looks cool? Well then... that's cool.

jvm210guy · 05-30-2012, 08:30 AM

Ya man, I tried all that. I'm not worried about the looks so much as about the playability though, just wanted to try it. Didn't help, so plan b now....

***crossroadsnyc*** · 05-30-2012, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Micky

I dare you to ask this question over at MLP forum...

I have an account there, but I've never used it ... too much negativity on that site for me. Don't get me wrong ... there are people there that I like, but on a whole, it just strikes me as too critical, rather than celebratory (let alone helpful).

***crossroadsnyc*** · 05-30-2012, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jvm210guy

I did, pretty much any technical question over there becomes a joke, unfortunately...

Edit: got trolled, and someone said I was trying to imply something scientific. Pretty ****ed up and surprising, really...

Hmmm, maybe I should have read the whole thread before responding to Micky ... yeah, this is exactly what I'm talking about.

Georgiatec · 05-30-2012, 09:38 AM

The theory is you can screw the stop bar right down to the body and the guitar sustains better. The longer overall string length gives a slinkier feel. I had my LP this way for awhile and found less sustain, slinkier action and wound strings went dull very quickly (put the kettle on

). Stringing the "normal" way gives more sustain a better "ring" and while the action is slightly tougher it's a lot easier to keep bends in tune...I managed it with still keeping the stop bar screwed all the way to the body.
I must stress this is what I found with my LP some of you other guys may beg to differ.

jvm210guy · 05-30-2012, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by crossroadsnyc

Hmmm, maybe I should have read the whole thread before responding to Micky ... yeah, this is exactly what I'm talking about.

It really is like conducting a battle zone over there man... Sucks because there's a lot cool guitars floating around and generally cool people too.

jvm210guy · 05-30-2012, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Georgiatec

The theory is you can screw the stop bar right down to the body and the guitar sustains better. The longer overall string length gives a slinkier feel. I had my LP this way for awhile and found less sustain, slinkier action and wound strings went dull very quickly (put the kettle on

). Stringing the "normal" way gives more sustain a better "ring" and while the action is slightly tougher it's a lot easier to keep bends in tune...I managed it with still keeping the stop bar screwed all the way to the body.
I must stress this is what I found with my LP some of you other guys may beg to differ.

Thanks for the insight, I really don't know if I should keep the top wrap. I'm going to jam on what I have now until I put in the 9s to see how my tone sounds!!!!

Micky · 05-30-2012, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by crossroadsnyc

Hmmm, maybe I should have read the whole thread before responding to Micky ... yeah, this is exactly what I'm talking about.

No, I understand and agree...
The thing is, subjective questions like this are rather pointless as far as relevant discussion goes.

But then you DO often get the 'will I get better tonz with the pickguard off' type of troll threads, and that has happened sooooo many times over there that any type of subjective question becomes a playground for the cork-sniffers.

Even capacitor types will generate days worth of entertainment over there, my point is that it is such a matter of personal opinion that it really doesn't matter anymore. You are gonna do what you wanna do, just don't come here or go over there seeking approval in the guise of asking for someone else's opinion.

Kinda like 'do I get a Roland or a Line6' amp and the people here will bombard the OP with 'Get a 2203' type of reply for days. They will go out and buy a LineSux amp anyway...

It is even worse at HC and TGP, I was just posting some sarcasm...

jvm210guy · 05-30-2012, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Micky

No, I understand and agree...
The thing is, subjective questions like this are rather pointless as far as relevant discussion goes.

But then you DO often get the 'will I get better tonz with the pickguard off' type of troll threads, and that has happened sooooo many times over there that any type of subjective question becomes a playground for the cork-sniffers.

Even capacitor types will generate days worth of entertainment over there, my point is that it is such a matter of personal opinion that it really doesn't matter anymore. You are gonna do what you wanna do, just don't come here or go over there seeking approval in the guise of asking for someone else's opinion.

Kinda like 'do I get a Roland or a Line6' amp and the people here will bombard the OP with 'Get a 2203' type of reply for days. They will go out and buy a LineSux amp anyway...

It is even worse at HC and TGP, I was just posting some sarcasm...

I really don't understand this attitude at all. I'm not seeking approval or anything like that. As if im "hiding" a secret aggenda for approval, thats insane bro! I never done this before, its new to me and although I'm not asking for it help is much appreciated. This topic may be irrelavent to you but to me, it's a whole new thing that I'm learning.

I see what you're saying, and I know you're not directing anything negative to me, but like I said opinions, suggestions, and experience here is welcome.

big dooley · 05-30-2012, 10:55 AM

i do it...
it sure makes bending .012/.068's in standard tune a bit easier

acidvoodoo · 05-30-2012, 12:37 PM

I use these Elixir Custom Light's on my LP's, I love them, nice and easy to bend and you get the best of both sizes.

^AXE^ · 05-30-2012, 10:20 PM

Micky · 05-30-2012, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jvm210guy

I really don't understand this attitude at all. I'm not seeking approval or anything like that. As if im "hiding" a secret aggenda for approval, thats insane bro! I never done this before, its new to me and although I'm not asking for it help is much appreciated. This topic may be irrelavent to you but to me, it's a whole new thing that I'm learning.

I see what you're saying, and I know you're not directing anything negative to me, but like I said opinions, suggestions, and experience here is welcome.

No disrespect at all intended, I am sure you are seeking detailed experience here. I hope you can find the answers you are looking for.

It is just that after years of questions such as this I have become a bit jaded and sometimes I think people who ask them cannot be serious. If you search over at MyLesPaul forum you can find literally thousands of different opinions on this particular subject. It was even funny to talk about it back in the '70's when I played in a band.

In 30 years you too will look back at this and grin...

Wycked Lester · 05-30-2012, 10:32 PM

the top wrap makes it easier to bend, not because of reduced tension, ...but because of the reduced friction at the bridge due to the lesser angle the strings are breaking over the saddle......

thats the big difference....

then, it also adds a little sustain and defination due to the fact that the tailpiece can now be screwed down solid to the body. Sometimes this difference is more noticable than others,....but IMO, you can't go wrong with a top wrap

Wycked Lester · 05-30-2012, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jvm210guy

Still having a bit of distress over my lp. After practice today I realized that I'm not digging the tension on the strings of my lp .......]

You should try some DR brand strings. I don't know if they have less tension or are just more flexible, but they sure do feel good.

Wycked Lester · 05-30-2012, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Wycked Lester

You should try some DR brand strings. I don't know if they have less tension or are just more flexible, but they sure do feel good.

yea, i just quoted myself...whaataboutit!

but anyway,....yea, if i change a guitar with a floating trem over to the same guage DR set, the trem will drop in the back by a few millimeters. everytime

jvm210guy · 05-30-2012, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Wycked Lester

yea, i just quoted myself...whaataboutit!

but anyway,....yea, if i change a guitar with a floating trem over to the same guage DR set, the trem will drop in the back by a few millimeters. everytime

No shit?? I'll check that out man, thanks!!!!!!

jvm210guy · 05-30-2012, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micky

No disrespect at all intended, I am sure you are seeking detailed experience here. I hope you can find the answers you are looking for.

It is just that after years of questions such as this I have become a bit jaded and sometimes I think people who ask them cannot be serious. If you search over at MyLesPaul forum you can find literally thousands of different opinions on this particular subject. It was even funny to talk about it back in the '70's when I played in a band.

In 30 years you too will look back at this and grin...

I know you didn't mean disrespect. Check out the mlp on my top wrapping thread and you'll see the immediate trolling, and it could have been worse but you'll see that I didn't provoke anything. Let me know what you think, or don't look no biggie..

Wycked Lester · 05-30-2012, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jvm210guy

No shit?? I'll check that out man, thanks!!!!!!

seriously, do.

I had a buddy that preached DR strings to me for 5 years before i actually broke down and tried a set.....as soon as i did, it was love at first lick

jvm210guy · 05-30-2012, 10:56 PM

Ok guys after I got back from work I changed my tubes in my Tiny Terror, and I was about to change my strings but I decided to play for a bit. To my surprise it now feels a bit "softer"! I'm thinking the strings settled in a tiny bit more. It's not a HUGE difference, but it's enough for me to try out this set up!!

05-30-2012, 12:58 AM	#1 (permalink)
jvm210guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Chicago, home of the blues... Posts: 3,533	Top wrapping an lp Still having a bit of distress over my lp. After practice today I realized that I'm not digging the tension on the strings of my lp so I decided to do a top wrap. How did it work? Not a difference.... The tail piece is to the deck, and it sounds different to my ears but it could be just the new strings. I'll see if it added sustain tomorrow when I can crank up an amp!!! Anyway it looks cool! __________________ THE SIG OF DEATH Tiny Terror Marshall Class Five JVM 210h 1960a Lead (v30's/g12-75's) 2008 American Standard Telecaster 2008 Gibson Traditional Les Paul Plus (cherry sunburst flametop)

05-30-2012, 01:20 AM	#2 (permalink)
brp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 4,075	Re: Top wrapping an lp Ya I did one of mine awhile back but I'm not sold on the difference if any, and I don't really get the science behind "easier bending" that's been alleged. Could someone explain how that's supposed to work? __________________ Recommended: On Floor Audio mods by HOT TUBES 70, Martimus Maximus tubes from MartyStrat54, NOS tubes from RiverRatt -- My Studio -- "If we can't laugh at the dead, we have no business killing people"

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brp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 4,075	Re: Top wrapping an lp Maybe try a hybrid gauge .009 to 46? I may do that next change... matt3310 likes this. __________________ Recommended: On Floor Audio mods by HOT TUBES 70, Martimus Maximus tubes from MartyStrat54, NOS tubes from RiverRatt -- My Studio -- "If we can't laugh at the dead, we have no business killing people"

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jvm210guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Chicago, home of the blues... Posts: 3,533	Re: Top wrapping an lp Yes, I'm thinking about that actually... __________________ THE SIG OF DEATH Tiny Terror Marshall Class Five JVM 210h 1960a Lead (v30's/g12-75's) 2008 American Standard Telecaster 2008 Gibson Traditional Les Paul Plus (cherry sunburst flametop)

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HeHasTheJazzHands Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Louisiana Posts: 4,114	Re: Top wrapping an lp Nope, didn't help me any tone-wise, but my strings last a bit longer. __________________ Djong

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Micky Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Vermont Posts: 6,485	Re: Top wrapping an lp I dare you to ask this question over at MLP forum... ^AXE^, custom53, Lowdown and 4 others like this. __________________ I can understand stupidity, but there is no excuse for ignorance... Marshall MHZ15, DSL40c, M4, 4X12 full stack, Gibson LP, VOX, Eminence, Celestion, Ovation, Fender & more...

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*Adwex* Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: I'm not sure. Posts: 8,429	Re: Top wrapping an lp I feel a slight difference, the strings feel like there's less tension (obviously the tension is the same though), making bends seem easier. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/MarshallLesPaul

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SmokeyDopey Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Argentina Posts: 8,304	Re: Top wrapping an lp Won't the strings cause friction against the tailpeice, and leave some string marks (at least on the thicker strings?) What I did with my LP to have a more open angle from where the string starts and lays on the saddle, was RAISE the tail peice a few milimeters. No string marks, more open angle where the strings sit (pretty much the same as top wrapping). Now, if it's because it looks cool? Well then... that's cool. madmmx, Blokkadeleider and jvm210guy like this.

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jvm210guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Chicago, home of the blues... Posts: 3,533	Re: Top wrapping an lp Ya man, I tried all that. I'm not worried about the looks so much as about the playability though, just wanted to try it. Didn't help, so plan b now.... __________________ THE SIG OF DEATH Tiny Terror Marshall Class Five JVM 210h 1960a Lead (v30's/g12-75's) 2008 American Standard Telecaster 2008 Gibson Traditional Les Paul Plus (cherry sunburst flametop)

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Georgiatec Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Macclesfield, UK Posts: 2,065	Re: Top wrapping an lp The theory is you can screw the stop bar right down to the body and the guitar sustains better. The longer overall string length gives a slinkier feel. I had my LP this way for awhile and found less sustain, slinkier action and wound strings went dull very quickly (put the kettle on ). Stringing the "normal" way gives more sustain a better "ring" and while the action is slightly tougher it's a lot easier to keep bends in tune...I managed it with still keeping the stop bar screwed all the way to the body. I must stress this is what I found with my LP some of you other guys may beg to differ. jvm210guy likes this. __________________ JCM2000 DSL100 & 401 COMBO VINTAGE MODERN 2466 & 425A CAB 2061x JCM1H 1960B CAB MARSHALL 412, 1922 & 1912 CABS 1978 PEAVEY CLASSIC 212 COMBO '04 GIBSON LES PAUL CLASSIC '12 GIBSON LES PAUL TRADITIONAL STD PREMIUM '00 USA STANDARD TELECASTER FENDER MODERN PLAYER TELE+ '94 FENDER MIJ '62 RI FOTOFLAME STRATOCASTER EPIPHONE LP std+ (498T & 490R), VINTAGE VS6 (SG) & SA535 (335) COPIES. IF YOU CHANGE SHIT, THEN SHIT WILL CHANGE. IF YOU DO NOTHING YOU WILL GET THE SAME OLD SHIT.

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acidvoodoo Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 260	Re: Top wrapping an lp I use these Elixir Custom Light's on my LP's, I love them, nice and easy to bend and you get the best of both sizes. __________________ 99' Gibson LP Classic Plus 07' Gibson LP Classic Custom Marshall JVM1 Head Voodoo Modded Marshall Class 5 Head Orange #4 Bad Cat Unleash Sourmash 2061CX cab Mesa Boogie 2x12 vert. clone Marshall C110

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jvm210guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Chicago, home of the blues... Posts: 3,533	Re: Top wrapping an lp Ok guys after I got back from work I changed my tubes in my Tiny Terror, and I was about to change my strings but I decided to play for a bit. To my surprise it now feels a bit "softer"! I'm thinking the strings settled in a tiny bit more. It's not a HUGE difference, but it's enough for me to try out this set up!! __________________ THE SIG OF DEATH Tiny Terror Marshall Class Five JVM 210h 1960a Lead (v30's/g12-75's) 2008 American Standard Telecaster 2008 Gibson Traditional Les Paul Plus (cherry sunburst flametop)

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