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Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
Hey guys,
I decided to set up, clean, and put new strings on my new strat. Everything was decent right off the bat, but The fretboard needed some major treatment, it was just really dry. I also straightened the neck slightly (actually needs to be tightened some more). Here's my question though. I play in standard (E tuning), and I normally use .10-.46. The problem is the strings are so ****ing tight, and there is just no slink to them at all. My neck is straight and the bridge is perfect, but the string tension is unacceptable. Is there anything I could do besides switching to thinner gauges, or tuning down to get some more slink. Please help me out.....
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
The strings need time to stretch into it. I have .10s on my Warmoth strat and they bend fine, but they're also Ernie Ball Slinkys and they've been on there for about...oh, I dunno....5-6 months? They're the set I put on it when I built it, so there you go. Still sound awesome.
I HAVE a pair of Elixir nano-coated strings...BUT Earnie Balls are just so damned awesome I might have to forego that set of strings. I think I want the Hybrid set: ligher strings high up for solos, heavier strings down low for a good growl. As far as I'm concerned, D'Darrio strings suck. Every instrument I've put them on, the strings haven't lasted longer than a month before they got super-tight, covered in rust, etc. The strings on my Fender American Strat are the ones I bought it with and they still sound awesome. I couldn't tell you what's on there, but I got a set of Fender strings for it if/when I ever change them. What's your brand preference anyway?
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
Strats are what got me going to .9
Most I have or have played feel heavy with .010, even the .09s feel heavier to me on my strat as opposed to my LP Someone might chime in with a better solution but I would say drop string gauge and you might be surprised how similar it feels to your explorers .010s or try super slinky strings maybe on the strat only
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
I always preferred 10's on strats and teles for tone over 9's. Having larger frets helps with bending the 10's but if you have smaller frets and low action you may have a bit more trouble digging in for bends.
I always found that strats would always fight against me, but not in a bad way. I think they are easier to play aggressively because they push back. It is easy to get carried away with a Gibby and overbend notes...less so with a strat or tele IMO. Do you play 9's on your Explorer? Switch everything to 10's and you will probably find that you will get used to them faster than you think. I like EB Slinkys BTW.
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
I would put less tension on the trem springs. Adjust the tension just when you bend a string, the bridge moves up along with the bend, giving you more string to bend with.
Then again, I use D'addarios 11-49s on my Strat, as with all my guitars. I get them cheap enough that I can afford to change them when I feel like it.
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
yeah, that would make them feel slinkier...I had a Carvin with a Floyd that did that, but then you would have to bend a bit further to get the note. But I agree that it will give a lighter feel.
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
Dude, I JUST got finished jamming with it. Had the folks come to my door and complain that it's after midnight and they're trying to f***ing sleep and I'm like "oh shit!" And I was only playing at bedroom levels too. Sucks that their room is on the other side of the damned wall...
No, seriously, I actually can play on these strings like they're almost new still. Oh yeah, did I mention that this guitar is almost ALWAYS tuned down to Eb? Gotta love Guns-n-Roses tuning. Take me down to the Paradise City where the grass is green and the girls have titties! ![]() Why do you think I believe that Ernie Ball strings are a gift from God? Thank you Jimi.
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
Let me ask you this, do the strings only look nickel across the frets and black everywhere else?
Not knocking what you like Im just saying 5-6 months is a long time.
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
Guys, keep in mind that I play in standard. I use .10's on my Explorer. Adjusting tension on my explorer is easier than adjusting the tightness on my belt. It plays like tit's
I tried adjusting the trem springs, but this is having no effect, and I don't want the bridge too high. I don't mind it floating a bit, but I don't need it raised. You guys playing 10's on your strat playing in standard also, or are you all a half step down? Shit, I'm getting a bit depressed with this, I've never had this problem. All the other strats I've setup were tuned a half step down....
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
I [prefer 10's on my Strats.
I agree with what someone previously posted: Strats "fight back" a little more than Gibsons, so you have to be more aggressive which is evident coming out of the speakers. I find my SG almost plays itself, which can give rise to faster/better shredding, but I almost always get more creative one-off licks on a Strat.
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
Thanks papus, but guys these strings are ****ing TIGHT! I mean I was worried my nuck was going to explode (lol) when I was getting it to pitch. Are all you guys replying playing in standard E?
I really don't want to go .9's but maybe that's why they are factory set that way
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
How many springs are you using and do you have your bridge completely decked? I would start there first. On a "traditional" strat setup, the springs would be loosened to where the bridge would be floating about 1/16".
Barring that, you could try dropping your string gauge down to 9.5's. I use those on my LP. They don't feel much thinner than 10's but bending is a lot easier.
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
Bridge gap is about 1/16", and there are three springs. I thought tension had nothing to do with spring tension but more to do with the scale lenght of the guitar....>?
I'm considering going .9's now, unfortunately
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
I don't want to sound like a prick, but maybe you need to man up to the 10's.
It ain't easy going from 9's, I know. Your fingers will bleed at first until you develop thicker callouses. Ignore the above if you're already playing 10's on other guitars - this could mean there's something seriously wrong with your strat.
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
I used to run standard E tuning on my guitars until 2009, when we formed a new band and all tuned down to E flat. But I have my tele with 10's either tuned standard E or sometimes Open G for stones stuff.
I first started running 10's on strats back about 2001 or so. I remember them feeling a bit stiff at first. I don't have a strat right now, but I did until less than a year ago. My setup was not typical of most. I ran 5 springs because I wanted my bridge to be more stable. I use the trem pretty rarely so I liked the extra springs.
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
Hmm, I've been using 10's on everthing since I was 14. I got callouses all over my fingers. I don't know, papus, maybe I'm doing something wrong. What tuning is your guitar in?
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
10's just sounded so much better to me. Back in the 80's and early 90's I ran 9's on everything...even Gibbies. Like I said earlier, about 2001 I started to run 10's on the Strats to fight fret buzz and thin tone. I went to 10's on all my guitars in 2009 because of tone.
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Now, it may just be that you don't like the difference in tension from the different scale. You may just need to get used to it but if you really feel like you're fighting it, then I'd say drop your gauge. I don't buy into the whole "you're not a man unless you play X gauge". You have to find the right gauge for your style of playing. There's no reason to have to fight your guitar. But, seriously... try 9.5's before going to 9's. The difference in thickness is minute compared to the difference in tension. Plus, you still get to make fun of those pussies who use 9's!
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
Ya, I definitely like the way .10's sound too...
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
I definitely notice a difference running 10's on my Tele between standard E and E flat tuning, but it is not a night and day difference.
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
you mean a difference in tension, or tone? I just tuned my strat to E flat, and there is a pretty good difference... Unfortuantely all our tunes are in standard....
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
I'm in standard tuning.
I started out with 9's as a teenager, moved on to 10's in my twenties. They just have more authority and Strat chime to my ears ![]() I think humbuckers work better with 9's though
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
String tension. It is harder to bend the 10's in E as opposed to E flat, but it is not a huge difference, though it is noticeable.
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
Thanks, papus, I got callouses on balls too. Why you think that is?
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
When we started the new band project in 2009, I thought my SG and LP lacked some bottom end punch. I tweaked the amp a bit, but then decided to go from 9's to 10's and that made all the difference.
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Thanks everyone for the input...
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Re: Question for strat users, regarding string gauge
Why do you think the hb's work better with 9's?
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