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Unread 12-08-2011, 09:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Anyone buy a China VOS Les Paul

Has anyone bought one of these? I already own 3 high end Les Pauls so my interest isn't because I want a Les Paul, my interest is more to see for myself what the playabilty and craftsmanship is at 10% of the cost.

There are two camps on this, one is there ALWAYS is glearing flaws and the other is that they are almost as good as the real deal once upgraded and setup. Way to much confusion for me to read what is bullshit and what isn't.

For $300 I am going to take the gamble and try one to see for myself. I already know hardware will need to be upgraded (bridge, pickups, pots) but these are cheap and easy upgrades for LPs and I am pretty good at fixing any fret work and guitar setup.

If it doesn't work out I will make a video and see how many .50 caliber rounds the guitar can take at 100 yards.

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Re: Anyone buy a China VOS Les Paul

I'd be very interested in knowing the quality of these also! Please keep us posted!
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Curiosity killed the cat. Ott Oh!
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Let us know, man! Document it here please.
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Re: Anyone buy a China VOS Les Paul

i looked a couple of them and some of the sellers said right on there that what you get is exactly what is in the photos, if thats the case how in the **** can they stamp made in U.S.A. on it ? so does that mean they are burning gibsons logo too?
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the Chinese Gibson clones are considered illegal but, if those are what you're refering to i admit i'm curious too. A buddy of mine aquired one through legal means and said it was right up there but, electronics were crap. Supposedly they're hit or miss though with some not even having a hole through the neck FOR a truss rod. I may not be thinking of the same Chinese knockoffs though. GibsUn i believe are the ones.
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Re: Anyone buy a China VOS Les Paul

or else they are takin pics of real gibsons and lying
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check this one out found it on there page 2 left handed
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i looked a couple of them and some of the sellers said right on there that what you get is exactly what is in the photos, if thats the case how in the **** can the stamp made in U.S.A. on it ? so does that mean they are burning gibsons logo too?
yeah they're illegal and constitute a felony. Gibson has a process on their site asking for buyers to be reported and you can serve prison time for them and they are blackballed on sites like CL. People still buy and sell them though, the main thing people do now is admit they're "copies" though them having that logo and USA stamp on them plus a stolen serial number is a big no no. That said, i'm still curious about them. I would imagine that they should be legal (imo) if they weren't passed off as real Gibson's and just cheap clones but, yeah there's a huge legal debacle over them. They get away with it because they're in China and our laws don't mean squat there.
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or else they are takin pics of real gibsons and lying
They aren't. They're using real serial numbers like a stolen social security number.
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yeah if you look at the pic i just posted you can see the scarf joint which as far as i know means it aint real
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i aint ever seen a real gibson with a scarf joint
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yeah if you look at the pic i just posted you can see the scarf joint which as far as i know means it aint real
yeah and they don't make that in a lefty i believe but, that part i may be off on.

Yeah they're real in as far as they look like the pix and stuff but, once shipped here the buyer can get in serious doo doo. I don't really agree with that though myself, i would think as long as they weren't advertised as "real Gibson" they should be fine but, then again they ise actual serials from Gibson and i think that's part of the issue.
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I wonder if the Grover tuners are counterfeit.
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dude on the link there is a colum on the right for lefty or righty clicked lefty and they have like 10 pages of leftys thats where i found that pic. here check it out
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I wonder if the Grover tuners are counterfeit.
so whats your take on the scarf joint on the neck then ?
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Did someone say .50 Cal.???

Are we talking a Ma-Duece here? I love me some Rock-N-Roll!
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Re: Anyone buy a China VOS Les Paul

I wouldn't get near one of those with a ten foot pole. If it says, "Made In U.S.A." and has a serial number, you are committing a felony the minute you take possession of it. It is no different from having illegal drugs mailed to your house.

There have been many threads here on the forum about these guitars. Most of the guys took a negative view of these guitars and the damage they do to the guitar market.

If you want to get one, go ahead, but I wouldn't advertise here on the forum that you got one.
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Aw come on Marty. If he is buying one to shoot the shit out of it that should be some fine entertainment right?

Think of the fun PSA's we could make with that.
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so whats your take on the scarf joint on the neck then ?
I was strictly posting a joke about the counterfeitness of the guitar with having fake tuners also. I could care less about the scarf joint as I will never own one of these knock off copy embarrassments to Gibson Guitar.


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i wouldnt buy one either i just thought you meant that maybe the pic was real. sorry for the confusion
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Aw come on Marty. If he is buying one to shoot the shit out of it that should be some fine entertainment right?

Think of the fun PSA's we could make with that.
Oh okay. That would be fine as long as he burned all the remains.
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OK lets not loose sight of why I am curious, I can afford any damm guitar I want and have no plans of walking around proclaiming this is a real Gibson. Just curious about them. Take a look at the Jackson and PRS clones also.

Marty I am sorry but you might want to ask your lawyer about the felony for the end purchaser, I looked into this already with mine because I had heard the same thing you posted. My lawyer laughed and said no problem; I would have no legal liability from owning it unless I profit from the Gibson name OR Proclaim it to be a Gibson in a sale for profit here in the US. Because the transaction is in China there is no problem.

I have no plans on putting a guitar like this into my studio rotation I am simply curious as to the quality. Honestly if it is good after the upgrades I would simply sand and repaint the bullshit lettering anyways. Beside I give a shit about Gibson as much as they give a shit about charging me 5k for a guitar.

I still am not firmly going to do this yet, still some questions thus this post.
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sorry to side track your thread bro
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anything that says 'made in usa" i would make damn sure of. I buy Chinese made American company owned guitars but that's different. it's not a ripoff or counterfeit thing it's just the fact that us American workers union demands, the EPA,& corporate greed (let's call it cost of goods & labor) has lost us the business & manufacturing we once enjoyed.

now if you worked for Raytheon developing & producing the radar guided munitions systems for the B-2 stealth bomber.. you still got a job in America.we ain't givvin' that chit away

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anything that says 'made in usa" i would make damn sure of. I buy Chinese made American company owned guitars but that's different. it's not a ripoff or counterfeit thing it's just the fact that us American workers union demands, the EPA,& corporate greed (let's call it cost of goods & labor) has lost us the business & manufacturing we once enjoyed.

now if you worked for Raytheon developing & producing the radar guided munitions systems for the B-2 stealth bomber.. you still got a job in America.we ain't givvin' that chit away

not to get into politics but my Epi customs are qc'd & set up in nashville.

I agree 100% . All my Gibson's and Fender Custom Shops all have certificates of authenticity.
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Sure Nuke, go for it. If u wanna contribute to the whole counterfeit Gibson guitar scene where lots of people get sucked in buying fakes. Go right ahead
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no it's illegal to own as well NUKE because they use actual IN USE serial numbers from already manufactured guitars as in already made and released by Gibson. We've had this discussion with other people before you joined the group and done the research. I'm not saying don't check them out, do what you want i'm not judging anyone here i'm just informing you of what's been already established about the subject.

Now, you're lawyer may be able to defend you in court but, you would also have more lawyer fees and court costs than the fake would have cost you to begin with IF you got caught that is.

If they didn't have in use REAL serial numbers you'd likely be fine but, they do have stolen identities essentialy and it's considered illegal to OWN one or sell it.

I'm not trying to give you a hard time at all i'm just letting you know what's up. Now, laws change everyday so that may have changed since last year when it was brought up here before but, at that time it was illegal to purchase,sell or OWN any of these instruments in the USA.
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no it's illegal to own as well NUKE because they use actual IN USE serial numbers from already manufactured guitars as in already made and released by Gibson. We've had this discussion with other people before you joined the group and done the research. I'm not saying don't check them out, do what you want i'm not judging anyone here i'm just informing you of what's been already established about the subject.

Now, you're lawyer may be able to defend you in court but, you would also have more lawyer fees and court costs than the fake would have cost you to begin with IF you got caught that is.

If they didn't have in use REAL serial numbers you'd likely be fine but, they do have stolen identities essentialy and it's considered illegal to OWN one or sell it.

I'm not trying to give you a hard time at all i'm just letting you know what's up. Now, laws change everyday so that may have changed since last year when it was brought up here before but, at that time it was illegal to purchase,sell or OWN any of these instruments in the USA.
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as for your OP the answer is some people don't even get them after they order them and they can't report it because they'll get fined and possibly prison terms so they're SOL and for the playability well, the guy we had this discussion with before that aquired one (and is not in jail or been prosecuted) did say it played just as well as his custom shops but, needed full electronic upgrades,setup and some nut work.

some don't come with truss rods, some are missing other components, some don't arrive at all and some never even had a truss rod hole drilled. They're very hit or miss basicaly but, he got a "good one" apparently.

I was looking up a lot about them at one point because of it being brought up here before and that's how i gathered this info. There's also a guy that got arrested in Ohio for trying to sell one on CL even though he mentioned it was a fake. I never found out what happened with his case though.

Again the guy i know that has one loves it and still owns it and hasn't had problems legaly either though all it takes is someone that doesn't like you reporting it so for me it's not worth the risk.
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