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Unread 11-14-2011, 04:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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My ESP LTD EC-1000.. Tuners ??

Hey guys,

Lately ive been playing my EC-1000 (LP shape) alot more..
And it goes out of tune really easily..

BTW, it was terrible before it went in for a set-up a few weeks ago. Now it seems better but still not 100%. It's only 1 or 2 strings that keep doing it, so im assuming it's the tuners..

Im wondering how good the standard ESP Locking Tuners really are..
Has anyone has experience with these ??

I was already thinking of changing em, but wondered if anyone has else has any experience (good or bad) with em first..

Thanks,
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Unread 11-14-2011, 05:18 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: My ESP LTD EC-1000.. Tuners ??

I have a similar problem with the 3rd string on my EC-1000. I'm fairly sure my problem is the tuner as the peg seems a bit loose/wobbly compared to the others.

Tuning problems can be caused by a number of different things. You could try physically moving/swapping the tuner with one that is stable to see if it follows the tuner. If not it may be something along the lines of a badly cut nut.
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Re: My ESP LTD EC-1000.. Tuners ??

I've had a couple going out of tune as well, i did notice they were loose so i tightened them up. I also have a metal nut and one was poping out of the nut slot when bending so i took it off and turned it. And i blocked the floating bridge and made sure it was setting perfectly while doing a string change. I'll find out tonight if what i did made a difference or not, if not i may need new tuners as well. this guitar is over ten years old .
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Re: My ESP LTD EC-1000.. Tuners ??

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I have a similar problem with the 3rd string on my EC-1000. I'm fairly sure my problem is the tuner as the peg seems a bit loose/wobbly compared to the others.

Tuning problems can be caused by a number of different things. You could try physically moving/swapping the tuner with one that is stable to see if it follows the tuner. If not it may be something along the lines of a badly cut nut.
Thanks for the reply mate. Mine is the 4th string

I havnt had any experience with locking tuners before so I don't really know what to look for.

I have an older H-400 with non locking grovers which is fine
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Re: My ESP LTD EC-1000.. Tuners ??

I've had this problem before and it was that the nut slots were binding on a couple of strings. I loosened the string slightly, wrapped a small piece of fine/thin sandpaper under the string and slid it through the slot a couple of times to widen/cleanup the slot and it solved the problem. Personally, I'd try that before spending the money on new tuners. I just had to do it on another guitar when I went up a string size and the bigger strings were slightly binding. (I read about this online and tried it...I didn't make it up)

...as far as tuners go, I've been researching those. I have a guitar I recently bought used and 2 of the tuners (schaller locking) are shot and binding up on it. I already had to replace one temporarily with a grover because it was locked up completely. I've pretty much decided I'm going to replace them with Sperzel locking tuners....not because I think they're the best, I don't know, but they have 'em in satin black. (ha ha)
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Re: My ESP LTD EC-1000.. Tuners ??

Sam, I would have thought flipping the nut would cause more trouble than it cures. The nut slots are different widths for each string which means by flipping it you've just put a weedy 1st string in the canyon designed for the 6th string and vice versa. You'd be better off 'CAREFULLY' following dirtysteves advice and trying to deepen the slot slightly.
You can't even attempt this on an EC 1000 as it has a compensated nut meaning the actual string lengths are slightly different.

I'd still go with what I initially suggested as it will take about 10 minutes extra when you restring. Swap the tuner with the one next to it and see if the tuning problem moves. If it does you know its the tuner, if not then look at the nut and the bridge to see if the string might be binding anywhere. One common trick is to get a soft pencil and run it through an offending nut slot as the graphite will help the string slip a bit easier and there are also various products that can be bought that claim to help this too.

The main thing is to make sure you initially stretch out the strings when re-stringing and then methodically try and find where the problem is and work from there.
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Sam, I would have thought flipping the nut would cause more trouble than it cures. The nut slots are different widths for each string which means by flipping it you've just put a weedy 1st string in the canyon designed for the 6th string and vice versa. You'd be better off 'CAREFULLY' following dirtysteves advice and trying to deepen the slot slightly.
You can't even attempt this on an EC 1000 as it has a compensated nut meaning the actual string lengths are slightly different.

I'd still go with what I initially suggested as it will take about 10 minutes extra when you restring. Swap the tuner with the one next to it and see if the tuning problem moves. If it does you know its the tuner, if not then look at the nut and the bridge to see if the string might be binding anywhere. One common trick is to get a soft pencil and run it through an offending nut slot as the graphite will help the string slip a bit easier and there are also various products that can be bought that claim to help this too.

The main thing is to make sure you initially stretch out the strings when re-stringing and then methodically try and find where the problem is and work from there.
Mate thank you very much for your detailed reply..
I will play it for another week or so to make sure the strings have stretched properly first.

Just a question, what is a compensated nut ??
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Re: My ESP LTD EC-1000.. Tuners ??

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Sam, I would have thought flipping the nut would cause more trouble than it cures. The nut slots are different widths for each string which means by flipping it you've just put a weedy 1st string in the canyon designed for the 6th string and vice versa. You'd be better off 'CAREFULLY' following dirtysteves advice and trying to deepen the slot slightly.
You can't even attempt this on an EC 1000 as it has a compensated nut meaning the actual string lengths are slightly different.

I'd still go with what I initially suggested as it will take about 10 minutes extra when you restring. Swap the tuner with the one next to it and see if the tuning problem moves. If it does you know its the tuner, if not then look at the nut and the bridge to see if the string might be binding anywhere. One common trick is to get a soft pencil and run it through an offending nut slot as the graphite will help the string slip a bit easier and there are also various products that can be bought that claim to help this too.

The main thing is to make sure you initially stretch out the strings when re-stringing and then methodically try and find where the problem is and work from there.
My bad for not being clear the metal nuts roll or turn so all i did was roll it to where it has a fresh slot that hasnt been used. But its the same nut and same position as before. I was to tired last night to try it out, hopefully i wont be tonight. Sam
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Re: My ESP LTD EC-1000.. Tuners ??

A compensated nut basically varies the point at which the strings come in contact with nut itself. A standard nut has this contact point in a straight line whereas a compensated nut has the contact point staggered but fixed. If you google it you'll get a better idea of what it looks like. I think (and experts feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) it gives a better level of tuning over the first few frets. My EC-1000 definitely has one and I think they're standard across that model.

Sam, a roller nut makes more sense now although I'd be a little concerned if the strings are marking the rollers. This might mean the rollers aren't turning freely and doing their job which is to allow the string to stretch and return freely as you bend them or use the whammy bar i.e. it rolls with the change in string length. If it doesn't roll you may as well have a standard nut on there as it'll be doing nothing worthwhile. It might be worth putting a spot of really light oil down each side of the rollers and freeing them up. And of course remember to wipe off all the excess. Something like sewing machine oil would do or if you really want to go for it the remote control car world has a specific lightweight bearing oil that would be ideal. You'll literally need the tiniest pin prick to notice the difference.
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Hope you got that sorted bulldozer. Checked out my axe last night and the simple things i did did wonders. Amazing how a fresh pair of strings brought my tone and sustain back to life.
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Hope you got that sorted bulldozer. Checked out my axe last night and the simple things i did did wonders. Amazing how a fresh pair of strings brought my tone and sustain back to life.
Shit i forgot to reply.. Since the new set-up i had done the guitar seems much better.. I played it at rehearsals today for 4 hours straight, and while it did go out of tune a little here and there, it wasnt always the same string. The strings havnt had much play time so ill keep my eye on it as they wear further..

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