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Unread 11-29-2010, 03:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Talking Orville by Gibson LPR-59 with original Bumblebees

Ok I'm extremely happy.
I just scored a cherry sunburst Orville by Gibson LPR-59, with original 50s Bumblebee caps.

Pics will follwo as soon as the guitar gets here.

For those who don't know...

This is one of the infamous Japanese "lawsuit" Les Paul replicas, that were so good to thep oint Gibson used them and made them stop the production.
Unlike current Gibsons, these have no holes inside (i.e. "weight relieving", as they name it...). ObG LPR-59s are 1959 replicas, they have Gibson USA hardware and pickups (57 classics), correct long neck tenon, fret binding etc... Plus, this oen have the original Bumblebee caps, installed by the seller.
Lane saw the work before I went on with the purchase, and he judged the soldering "solid", so I have no worries.

Two members of MyLesPaul told me that these high end ObGs are as good if not better than the very expensive Gibson historics (R8, R9 etc). I saw pics of an R8 on that forum... ehm... the neck tenon wasn't exactly as it should be
Some Greco Super Real models seem to be even better! The 1200 and 1800 go for more than 3000 USD, even 3500...

I'm sure my face will be like this when I'll play it with the 1959 and 2203 .. or maybe like this
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Unread 11-29-2010, 07:11 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Orville by Gibson LPR-59 with original Bumblebees

I thought Gibson owned Orville...

Either way, yeah, I've heard they are pretty good guitars. After Gibson has released their latest bunch of nonsense, including the Jonas Bros guitar, I have decided my next LP is definitely going to be an old Greco, Tokai, or Burny.
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Re: Orville by Gibson LPR-59 with original Bumblebees

Yes, Gibson owned Orville. I was just introducing the Japanese lawsuit guitars.

Navigator still makes high end replicas, I think. Long tenon, no holes inside etc. Not cheap though - but certainly less than an insane R9
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Re: Orville by Gibson LPR-59 with original Bumblebees

Pics or it doesn't exist, LOL
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Pics or it's a driftwood plank, or a 900. LOL
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Re: Orville by Gibson LPR-59 with original Bumblebees

Orville are Fuji-Gen Gakki made Guitars. They are Gibson Licensed Jap Replicas.
They are exactly the same as Greco 'mint collection' guitars of the same era.
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Re: Orville by Gibson LPR-59 with original Bumblebees

Pics!!!!!

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Orville are Fuji-Gen Gakki made Guitars. They are Gibson Licensed Jap Replicas.
They are exactly the same as Greco 'mint collection' guitars of the same era.
Don't confuse Orville with orville by Gibson (both standards/Custom and 59/57 replicas)
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Re: Orville by Gibson LPR-59 with original Bumblebees

I find it funny how anyone buying a Gibson copy will say how it plays as well or better than the real thing, even people buying $250.00 Agile LPs say this.

The old Jap copies were pretty good, but they are not a Gibson. In saying that, I agree with American Viking. If I buy another LP someday, it would likely be something I built myself or something I build with this guy:
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I find it funny how anyone buying a Gibson copy will say how it plays as well or better than the real thing, even people buying $250.00 Agile LPs say this.

The old Jap copies were pretty good, but they are not a Gibson. In saying that, I agree with American Viking. If I buy another LP someday, it would likely be something I built myself or something I build with this guy:
Brian Monty
I had two MLP VIP members tell me that these high end Jap models are superior to Gibson historics. They had one and sold it for either a Greco or ObG.
You should know that gibson drills holes and makes the wrong neck tenon. Ah yes, and those horrible Bumbleebee reissues... did u read that thread, with graphs showing their poor performance?
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I had two MLP VIP members tell me that these high end Jap models are superior to Gibson historics. They had one and sold it for either a Greco or ObG.
You should know that gibson drills holes and makes the wrong neck tenon. Ah yes, and those horrible Bumbleebee reissues... did u read that thread, with graphs showing their poor performance?
No - I haven't read anything specific like that.

People get caught up in stupid details like the length of the tenon but forget the big picture. The fact that the tenon is not exactly like some purists would like it to be does not make the guitar any worse.

The tenon on current production Gibsons are structurally fine and I doubt that anyone would hear the difference with a tenon that is 1/4" longer.
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Re: Orville by Gibson LPR-59 with original Bumblebees

Cool...whatcha pay?
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Re: Orville by Gibson LPR-59 with original Bumblebees

Orville, Tokai, and Burny are not, as said above, Gibsons... But they aren't saying they are either...

They are, IMO, great guitars in their own right. My Burny looks good, plays good, and is an awesome backup or even main guitar...
I own a couple of Gibson Les Pauls and I am not the least bit ashamed to play them side by side...



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I love it! That looks great!
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Re: Orville by Gibson LPR-59 with original Bumblebees

Paid 1000.
I have the suspicion that the bumblebee are the reissue. Well, if they are, I'll replace them with NOS PIO caps
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Re: Orville by Gibson LPR-59 with original Bumblebees

Orville by Gibson are really cool guitars. I had a few of the exact same model you just bought, with case, but they are not to be confused with a R9 for specs, quality and Tone basically. The Neck on the ObG is nothing like a R9 or 1959 basically. it's a GOOD guitar, don't get me wrong, but to say it's better or equal to a R9 is quite funny to me.

If they were SO GOOD, Gibson would still be producing them in mass and would simply get their R series procuded there...other companies are doing it!. Only difference with Orville and Orville by Gibson was some details in shape in certain models, and Maple Cap on SOME...that's about it.
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Orville by Gibson are really cool guitars. I had a few of the exact same model you just bought, with case, but they are not to be confused with a R9 for specs, quality and Tone basically. The Neck on the ObG is nothing like a R9 or 1959 basically. it's a GOOD guitar, don't get me wrong, but to say it's better or equal to a R9 is quite funny to me.

If they were SO GOOD, Gibson would still be producing them in mass and would simply get their R series procuded there...other companies are doing it!. Only difference with Orville and Orville by Gibson was some details in shape in certain models, and Maple Cap on SOME...that's about it.
You're really wrong. first, this oen os a LPR-59, which was the rarest and highest model made by ObG, and only in 1993 and 1994. It's different from LPS (Standard and Custom).
It's the opposite, in fact. Gibson shut Oorville down and sued all the others (Tokai, Greco...) because they were making guitars better than theirs at a lower price. This is well known and history.

Sources:
Page 1 history
clearly said "The Japanese made guitar was actually a closer copy of the 1959 LP than the Gibson USA guitar being produced at that time.
The Japanese models usually had a long tenon like the 1959 LP's, the US Standard version did not
. "

Plus, here are the pics of a unassembled R8:

Bavarian `58 to`57 Conversion - Page 3 - Les Paul Forum
What's the heck with that neck tenon? What's that sort of foam????
yes it's the polystyrene foam in the neck pocket to fill a badly fitted neck joint that gets me, terrible really !

The word "Gibson" on the headstock is just a word. Let's analyze what's under the hood.

Finally, all the japanese high quality mahogony, thats why they do not need to have holes drilled in them to reduce weight. gibson allegedly use a type of low quality mahogany which is heavy (unconfirmed claim/rumour).
why would you ever want to weight relieve the wood if it was not too heavy? theres no other valid reason, even for historics gibson buys wood in bulk and its not old growth mahogony for sure, many of the japanese LP's from the early 80's have old growth honduran mahogony backs, especially from the Fuji-gen factory (high end ObG and Greco guitars).

If u still want to believe that it's gold only because there's a certain name on it, well you're free.

As final comment, it's not different with amps! Just remember the VOX Chinese reissue... even Marshalls reissues are known to be not completely faithful to the originals - while clones (Metroamp and so on) are.
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Nice score dude.
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WK - I'm sure that the guitar you got is very nice.

I had a look at that neck tenon on the link you provided. It does indeed look bad, but how do you know its actually from a Historic? Who in their right mind would unglue a neck off of a historic?
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You're really wrong..
U got to love blind faith.. But seriously, only important thing is that you like it... and i did have 2 of these models..nice guitars really.
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U got to love blind faith.. But seriously, only important thing is that you like it... and i did have 2 of these models..nice guitars really.
Yeah... I've seen some of the Jap copies dissassembled and the woods aren't always the best, the construction can be quite different (i.e. maple cap or not, top thickness, neck material, hardware).

Some of them are quite good though. I especially like the Tokais.

As far as the weight relieved LPs, I thought that was a feature. The average density of current wood vs old wood is unlikely to be a factor so I can't believe that "cheap, dense wood" is the reason behind it. African Mahogany is pretty much the same weight as Honduran in my experience.

I've seen Santos Mahogany pop up recently. It seems to be a little more dense but I don't think I've seen guitars built out of it. I might try it someday if I see a nice piece.
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WK - I'm sure that the guitar you got is very nice.

I had a look at that neck tenon on the link you provided. It does indeed look bad, but how do you know its actually from a Historic? Who in their right mind would unglue a neck off of a historic?
I don't JCMJMP. But the same happened for VOX. Why for hell should I have ever thought that the Blue alNiCos were fake?
It's just an example but the case is similar.
Mainstream companies are charging us a lot for their name with inferior products, we are warned. Not everyone does but ... many do. Ask Celestion, for another example...
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I don't JCMJMP. But the same happened for VOX. Why for hell should I have ever thought that the Blue alNiCos were fake?
It's just an example but the case is similar.
Mainstream companies are charging us a lot for their name with inferior products, we are warned. Not everyone does but ... many do. Ask Celestion, for another example...
The chinese Celestion Blue was never sold as an Original Blue. The model number is different, but I agree, that is deceptive marketing.

Lets not mix everything up though.

What are those pickups that are installed in it?
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The chinese Celestion Blue was never sold as an Original Blue. The model number is different, but I agree, that is deceptive marketing.

Lets not mix everything up though.

What are those pickups that are installed in it?
My intention was not to mix things up, but to give an exmaple on how mainstream companies sell one product basing on their names and marketing it as "vintage correct", while it differs from the original item of several details.
And BTW the fake blues were sold as the "same speakers the 1960s VOXes had" (quote from Custom Classic series manual)

The pickups on my ObG LPR-59 are Gibson USA Classic '57. They came with the guitar from the factory. They are certainly the originals.
The hardware is all Gibson USA hardware, except for the (very probably reissue) Bumblebees (that were added and I'm probably going to replace with NOS PIOs).

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Yeah... I've seen some of the Jap copies dissassembled and the woods aren't always the best, the construction can be quite different (i.e. maple cap or not, top thickness, neck material, hardware).

Some of them are quite good though. I especially like the Tokais.
Not all Japs are high end. The highest end are the Greco Super Real 1200-1800 (which sell for more than 3000$!), ObG LPR series, and some (early) Tokais. Maybe I'm missing some others (Navigators?).

Then the other Grecos, Burny, ObG LPS/LPC series and (mostly current)Tokais. I don't k now if Tokai still makes high end replicas, I think it does but I have no confirmation of this.

Then Orville (without "by Gibson") and lower end Burny which are the equivalent of an Epiphone. In fact, Orville became Epiphone Japan until the production was moved to China or elsewhere...
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i find it funny how anyone buying a gibson copy will say how it plays as well or better than the real thing, even people buying $250.00 agile lps say this.

The old jap copies were pretty good, but they are not a gibson. In saying that, i agree with american viking. If i buy another lp someday, it would likely be something i built myself or something i build with this guy:
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I think u didn't read my previous post, did ya?
Really unbelievable how many people just read the names o nthe products and don't look what there's inside. just a minority knows that most LPs have holes drilled inside and that "mortise and tenon" neck joint...
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I think u didn't read my previous post, did ya?
Really unbelievable how many people just read the names o nthe products and don't look what there's inside. just a minority knows that most LPs have holes drilled inside and that "mortise and tenon" neck joint...
WC - Most people know about the weight relief and that mortise/tenon joint you speak of... that could be off of anything, really. Gibson does not use foam to glue neck together and whoever told you that is full of it.


Look at the Gibson website, any LP:
Gibson.com: Gibson Les Paul Traditional

The weight relief is spelled out right there. Nothing is hidden from the buyer, no conspiracy, none of that.
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Re: Orville by Gibson LPR-59 with original Bumblebees

Furthermore:
Gibson.com: Gibson Les Paul Traditional BODY

They go on to specify average body weight, how many weight relief holes are drilled, what kind of glue they use...

For the necks, they even go on to specify the tolerances to which the neck joint is built and their avg weight.
Gibson.com: Gibson Les Paul Traditional NECK
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Unread 12-03-2010, 09:48 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Re: Orville by Gibson LPR-59 with original Bumblebees

Weight Relief came to be because customers ASKED for it basically. Lots of guys wanted a LP but could'nt stand playing a close to 10 pound or more guitar. So, they came up with Weight Relief, purist screamed to the top of their lunges..but it was actually very welcomed in the LP sales. So now you can have LP at a weight that fits your playing style AND frame size. I have a R9 wich is close to 10 pouds, but i'm 6.4" and 245lbs so i don't realy mind, but one of my best pal is 5.5" and 140lbs and as mush as he LOVES my R9, he's not able to play it well, so his LP is weight relief at under 8pds basically...
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