Marshall Amp Forum - The Backstage

Curious

Starchild132 — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:26:38 GMT

how old are the people on this forum?

New Group

Starchild132 — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:53:18 GMT

I just wanted everbody to know, i've started a group called "The Next Shredders" if you guys consider yourselves this as well feel free to join i'm trying this group HUGE :cheers:

Trouble in a band

Starchild132 — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:40:31 GMT

I LIve in the Illinois area (close to Alton) and i was wondering if there any fellow musicians in the area preferably a rhythm guitarist/vocalist or a drummer that would want to get into a band?, i'm mainly into metal like Pantera, Megadeth, Children of Bodom, Nevermore, etc, and my band name is Psychopathy but its so hard to find anybody in the area if anybody can help please let me know, alos a sidenote my age restrictions are not over 21 and not under 16 thanks

Fav song intros

theflyingmat — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:46:51 GMT

I don't know if I'm the only one, but I really like song intros (well some of them) and I have actually been known in the past to stop the song and move on to another song once the intro has finished.

Here's some of my favourites

YouTube - The Sex Pistols - Pretty Vacant - Live On The Late Late Show

YouTube - ONLY ONES - ANOTHER GIRL ANOTHER PLANET

Have you any intros you like to hear? I might just be me.

The Best Patriotic Speech Ever Given!!!

StootMonster — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:42:13 GMT

For all you prior military, you'll love this. Everyone else too, probably. Just watch. :)

YouTube - Infantry BasicTraining Graduation Speech ?? ???? ?????

KILL that fugging spamer!

carnada — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 04:47:18 GMT

KILL that fugging spamer!

seriously, he filled all the forum sections with his jewelry rip off thing

The "Whats your Job" Thread?

carnada — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 05:37:46 GMT

Men out there in the forum! whats your job? what do you do for a living, or what did you do for a living to get your amps!

dont be ashamed if your job isnt good! Every job has to be done by someone, and every job is an honest job! In fact, if you are one of those guys, im gonna start by sayin my job!

Im a DISHWASHER AT A RESTAURANT!:fingersx:

I gotta bad feelin bout this thrad

The DSL Conspiracy

thrawn86 — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:29:54 GMT

Social group "The DSL Conspiracy" is now available to join. Black helicopters are not required, however, membership is contingent upon owning any DSL model. Thank you for your time.

Area 51 is a secret government tech research site.....Mafia had Kennedy dealt with.....Elvis is still alive.....

You've lost that lovin' feeling

Benito — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:44:57 GMT

Hey, recently I seem to have lost all motivation to play, either with my band or just for the hell of it, I have missed gigs and rehearsals through just not wanting to play anymore, does anyone else feel the same way? or felt this way? how did you get past it and re-discover the 'lovin feeling?' even my recent purchase of an original '81 JCM 800 4010 combo has not enticed me into playing more, I used to practice about 6+ hours a day back when i was 15-19, now I have just turned 30 and it just feels dead.

I guess it started about 2 years ago, my band at the time was making somethig of it, record company interest (no really!) and a supporting gig with Bowling For Soup (yeah we played fun punk-pop) but then our drummer moved away, and we hired a new drummer, who was already playing with the other 4 guys as a covers band, and we seemed to just work on getting me into the covers and let the original side fall to the wayside, now 2 years later no-one wants to play the original stuff anymore and i really don't know why??? now we just play the usual pub-rock covers set down the 'Dog & Duck' archetypal pub, ok it maynever have worked out as it so often does but, at least we would have given it a shot?

OR am i just bitching about nothing?

Making a flightcase (Epi LTD Explorer bass) (long, big pics)

T-Bird — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:15:52 GMT

Hi.

I posted this originally on TalkBass, but as someone might have a desire to build a flightcase in here also, I decided to post it over here too.

Since there wasn�t an easily available case for the Epi LTD Explorer I recently bought, and a custom case is well beyond my budget, I decided to take the DIY route.

Usually DIY isn�t the best way to save money and that holds true in this case ;) also if the quite necessary tools aren�t available. The tools aren�t absolutely essential if You can get the panels and the extrusions pre-cut to correct lenghts.
Most sheet suppliers do offer cutting service and if accurate enough, that can save a lot of time and make moving the pieces a lot easier. Almost a 3 m^2 sheet may pose a bit of a transportation problem for some folks.

Having the extrusions cut properly is more important though, and that�s usually the reason people don�t build cases.

This is not intended to be a thorough tutorial to case-making, I�m just a hobbyist with the need and the necessary tools, not a professional. People with extensive experience in pro-casemaking will spot several �incorrect� methods I�m sure. There is however a reason for why I do things the way I do, and �that�s how I�ve always done it� is one of them. I do hope that this thread inspires some exchange of thought about the methods among the DIYers in TB.

I won�t go into areas of general woodworking or general metalworking either. You have to know how to make precice and repeatable cuts or the expensive materials will turn into a pile of scrap. (Or a smaller and smaller case up until it�s a perfect fit for a violin)

The extrusions and hardware I used is Adam Hall, but obviously any will do. I chose AH for convenience and previous experiences with that particular brand has been good.

I also used the cheapest 6.5mm waterproof plywood we have available in here, roughly translated as �farm-plywood�. The price reducing reason is that it�s not dead straight, but otherwise just as good as any other suitable variety. It�s only a problem when cutting, the smaller pieces are dead straight as the internal stresses diminish when reducing the size of the sheet.
The sheets we have in here are 1200mm*2400mm and it pretty much vanishes when making a big case like this one. You do have some leftovers, that�s true, and those can be used in another project, but usually not enough to make anything else than a mic-case or something like that.

There�s several ways to reduce the cost as well as improve the quality. I took the middle-way by using the materials easiest for me to get, while taking the advantage of the �modern� extrusions.
By �modern� I mean casemaker extrusions. Those weren�t available, at least not in here, in the stone ages (80�s) when I first started making some cases as a kid. Basemaker and Lidmaker extrusions weren�t available for me in adequate lenghts at the time of purchase, so I didn�t use those. Basemaker and Lidmaker extrusions take the miter saw requirements up a level or a two as well.

What obviously are the main points in a venture like this (for me anyway) are: the final price, how long it takes to make one and how much will it weigh.

The price ain�t bad IMHO. For about 110� to the materials, You�ll get a professional looking case that will protect Your instrument well for a very long time.

Making an one off case like this, designing as You go is a slow process. I think I got this done with 10 hours on the box and additional 5 for the internal structure. The internal structure will take a lot of time or no time at all depending of the desired form, but I�d say that the box making time can be reduced in half for the additional cases.

The weight is directly proportional to how sturdy (cost efficient) You want the case to be. Using regular plywood of a reasonable stifness and protective properties will always be heavy, no way around that. The alternative materials however cost at least three times more, so plywood is the most used material.

The empty box tipped a household scale at 14.7 Kg, so that�s some indication of the weight.

Planning and designing the case, well anything really, is something that should be done with plenty of time. Quite important material savings can be acchieved if the planning is done properly. If You plan carefully, you don�t have to trim the edges of the corner protectors like I had to. Would�ve made the case even thicker though.

Where to start then?

The obvious determening factor is the instrument that the case is being made for.
Straight headstocks are easy depth-wise, but angled headstocks like in the Epi pose a bit of a problem. Even more so if the edge of the body is angled. A flat surface with some fillers should provide the needed mock up for the thickness measurement though. A cardboard template of the outline isn�t such a bad idea either when finding out the X-Y dimensions and the orientation of the instrument in the case.
I like to have at least the protective material thickness around the instrument, in this case 15mm, so that has to be added. On every surface.

If You�re tight on the external dimensions for some reason and/or you are shooting for a specific outside dimensions, the casemaker profile thickness has to be taken to account on the calculations. I didn�t care about that, I just determined the area that was needed and took the additional 5mm/side ID as a bonus. That�s usually a good thing as the measured dimensions tend to be in the �small side�.

Unlike a real cabinet maker, I like to build the box structure from bottom to the top to be completely ready, instead of the usual: �make a closed box first and then cut it in half�.
While the �correct� method has its undisputed benefits, it does make fitting the edge extrusions a bit of a PITA. With an angle grinder and a steady hand it can be done though.

I also like to install the ball corners, corner protectors and misc. hardware afterwards.

A short pictorial of the project:

Here�s the materials for the box, save the rivets and a few other pieces of hardware:

A close up of the corner miters:

The mock-up installation with the ball corners.

After the mock-up installation I found out that the lid locators were 5mm too long so a bit of trimming was in order.

A dry fit with the bass:

The base is glued:

Followed with the lid frame:

And the lid sheet with the profiles:

The small hardware is straight forward to install, but I had to do some trimming in order to the corner protectors and ball corners to fit properly.

As the devil is in the details, I installed a pair of regular framing angles to support the handle. (Changed the nuts for nylocs though)

I also used stacking ball corners on the bottom of the case as the added friction surface makes the case more steady when transporting. I also plan to make at least one other case like this so stacking ability is a definite plus when storing and transporting.

The interior design is something everyone has to figure out by themselves, to fit the materials they�re using. I happened to have a roll of frost insulation material, so that went into this case. It�s expensive as hell if You need to actually buy some, so a substitute may be a good idea ;). It's not particulary good looking either.

Do keep in mind that all the synthetic (or natural for that matter) materials aren�t necessarily compatible with all the finishes. Avoid nasty surprises at all costs.

Anyway, here�s the thickness pieces to provide the angle for the body:

Followed by a few smooth and form fit layers:

And a couple of pics of a �finished� product:

�Finished� as there�s still some accessory compartments and such to be made.
Unfortunately I ran out of contact cement so those may have to wait.

Materials used in this particular project:

(Metric.)

6.5mm plywood:
2pcs 1345*450
2pcs 1345*70
2pcs 1345*50
2pcs 450*70
2pcs 450*50

Which roughly translates to 1.7 m^2

Adam Hall:

Extrusions (with miters):
7mm Casemaker 6106
4pcs 1347
4pcs 452
4pcs 54
4pcs 34

7mm hybrid lid 6102:
2pcs 1365
2pcs 610
4pcs 470
4pcs 209

Hardware:
2pcs 17295TP (locks)
4pcs 4124 (ball corner)
4pcs 4128 (stacking ball corner)
4pcs 4053 (corner reinforcment)
4pcs 4041 (corner reinforcment)
4pcs 4905TP (feet)
2pcs 2524 (strut hinge)
2pcs 2602 (hinge)
1pcs 3418 (handle)

~170 4,8mm POP-rivets
~20 5mm washers for reinforcment where the expanding end is on the plywood.

Hard cellfoam frost insulation material for the interior.

1L contact cement.

Construction glue, 2 tubes.

�Special� tools needed.

Power miter saw, non sliding preferable for sturdiness.
Power drill.
POP-riveter.
POP-rivet drill bit
(electric angle-grinder)
(center punch)

Regards
Sam

Admin. Squelch the damn SPAM please!

MajorNut1967 — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:17:47 GMT

Is there a baracuda or something on the head-in to block this traffic?

Craigslist

StootMonster — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:46:31 GMT

Have you guys noticed that everything sold in the "instrument" section of Craigslist is either "Rare", "Never Played", "Mint Condition" or "Vintage"?

Come on people.

Jubilee social group.

Hollowbody — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:44:27 GMT

If anyone is interested:

http://www.marshallforum.com/groups/...r-jubilee.html

Watch What You Are Buying

DC135er — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:28:31 GMT

About a month ago I wrote in and asked about the original speakers in a JCM 2000. I wanted to know what they were supposed to be as I was "thinking" about buying one. (My wife has put all of my toy buying on hold for now). Any way, I was on ebay and sent a message to the folks at Motor City Pawn and asked them "Can you tell me what brand and model of speaker is inside the amp?". Their response...get this..."How do I check? Thank you".:rofl: :laugh2: :rofl:

So I am going to talk with Rob Halford....

carnada — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:25:19 GMT

and this is what im going to ask

"what did you do with all your stage clothing from the 80s? are they in a box or something?"

well, I really recommend to check out rocklineradio.com its probably the best radio show ever made on earth. you can talk with a bunch of famous people, and its fucking awesome. I have already talked with nicko mcbrain there and yeah, its fucking awesome. AND ITS FREE!