The "I am not influenced musically by Jimi Hendrix" thread.

[Bubba po]

Over the last couple of weeks, I've had to endure the persistent, adamant assertions of various members of this forum, that like it or not, I am influenced by Jimi Hendrix. Both myself and the much-maligned Grunch have argued against this and the argy-bargy connected with defending our position has mostly been deleted as irrelevant to the thread where it took place.

I think the discussion is too important to be ruled by moderators deleting debate because it's off-topic to the thread. I think it wants thrashing out.

The reason I think this is because it's the Queen's Diamond Jubilee this year and the last time she had a Jubilee there was the most profound change in British music that there has ever been. Retrospective programmes to do with the Punk Rock explosion have been on this week and it's reminded me of what it was all about. Shock waves from this movement reverberated around the world.

I feel really patronised by some of the attitudes on this site, often from people who I expect are many years my Junior, never experienced the punk movement in Great Britain and Northern Ireland and have an extrremely blinkered view of rock history and everybody's place within it.

I state again. Hendrix had no influence upon me, except perhaps as some kind of wanky old dross that needed sweeping away. This isn't a trolling post, It's a genuine difference of opinion, based upon experience of the musical paradigm shift of my formative rock years.

I think Grunch is a good few years my Junior and HE gets it; why don't you lot?

[diesect20022000]

I don't really care who's influenced by who honestly or for what reason. the point in general's moot to me but to each their own. I'm far more influenced by classic pianists than any guitarist myself.

[Bubba po]

Originally Posted by diesect20022000

I odn't really care who's influenced by who honestly or for what reason. the point in general's moot to me but to each their own. I'm far more influenced by classic pianists than any guitarist myself.

That's fair enough, Diesect. I'm turning sigs off again, btw. I hope you don't mind, but it's your fault. The amount of stuff appended to your signature is ridiculous. No offence meant.

[Nicholas666]

Yngwie Malmsteen - I Never Played Hendrix Riffs (2 of 3) - YouTube

Yngwie Malmsteen - I Never Played Hendrix Riffs (2 of 3) - YouTube

But then again...

Yngwie Malmsteen-Purple Haze - YouTube

Yngwie Malmsteen-Purple Haze - YouTube

[Wiseblood]

It's tough to really say who is influenced by who, either way, even if you don't like a certain guitar player and their style isn't what you like and hasn't seeped into your personal style, maybe the fact that you don't like that particular player may influence you to do something completely different.

Then there's the fact that if you are influenced by players 'A', 'B' & 'C' (but not player D) but each or even one of the players A, B or C are influenced by D some may say you are indirectly influenced by player D.

I think Die's point is most relevant, it don't matter. Even something non-guitar oriented or non-musically may influence you, who knows?

What's interesting is hearing certain players and hearing other players influence in their playing. I mean for example, I heard Hammet and was well into his music before Satriani, then when I heard Satriani I could totally hear his influence in Hammetts playing. It doesn't matter at all to me, but it was cool to notice.

Talking and trying to figure out don't really matter, just play and if influences come through they come through...

By the way. when I say 'you' I don't mean anyone specific at all.

[DirtySteve]

The problem as I see it was...The OP didn't ask "What do you think about Hendrix and did he have an influence on you?"...,but a certain someone came in and bashed the man and insulted the OP and Hendrix fans right off the bat....and then plays the victim card when called on it and stirred everything up.

He should have just kept his mouth shut If he doesn't like him and let the ones that do enjoy a discussion about the man. It was never about influence until it evolved from what Grunch started. I can't believe that's so hard to understand.

[Led4thehed2]

Originally Posted by diesect20022000

I odn't really care who's influenced by who honestly or for what reason. the point in general's moot to me but to each their own. I'm far more influenced by classic pianists than any guitarist myself.

You said pianist

[Led4thehed2]

Originally Posted by Bubba po

Hendrix had no influence upon me

Same

[Holme]

I get Grunch fine,that's why if you do your research you'll find I hold him as one of the most respectful members of this forum & he never gets anything but 'joke' slayings from me!
He's a punk,as in choice of music,same way I suppose I'm a 'cheesey rocker' to you!
I noticed you had a problem with my choice of Ozzy/Sabbath albums as not having a crap song on them!
This is fine but note!
Even Grunch kept his trap shut,as much as I kept mine shut on all his Ramones listings!
NOT because I'm 'scared' of his Internet following,but because I RESPECT where he's coming from & what he likes as an individual!
Remember,if we all liked the same amp,artist etc. this forum would be piss boring!

[diesect20022000]

i don't care if you don't like my sig either. you easily could have turned it off without mentioning it to me which suggests alterior motive on your part. I'd add more links to it if i could

[Bubba po]

Originally Posted by DirtySteve

The problem as I see it was...The OP didn't ask "What do you think about Hendrix and did he have an influence on you?"...,but a certain someone came in and bashed the man and insulted the OP and Hendrix fans right off the bat....and then plays the victim card when called on it and stirred everything up.

He should have just kept his mouth shut If he doesn't like him and let the ones that do enjoy a discussion about the man. It was never about influence until it evolved from what Grunch started. I can't believe that's so hard to understand.

When you start an ass-kissing thread dedicated to the assumed God-like genius of one person on the internet, you are going to get nay-sayers. Grunch just happened to be the first nay-sayer. It's the internet; the genie's out of the bottle. There's no POINT to an ass-kissing thread. Nothing of lasting worth was ever created without passing through the fire of argument and contrary viewpoints, in my view.

[Bubba po]

Originally Posted by Holme

I get Grunch fine,that's why if you do your research you'll find I hold him as one of the most respectful members of this forum & he never gets anything but 'joke' slayings from me!
He's a punk,as in choice of music,same way I suppose I'm a 'cheesey rocker' to you!
I noticed you had a problem with my choice of Ozzy/Sabbath albums as not having a crap song on them!
This is fine but note!
Even Grunch kept his trap shut,as much as I kept mine shut on all his Ramones listings!
NOT because I'm 'scared' of his Internet following,but because I RESPECT where he's coming from & what he likes as an individual!
Remember,if we all liked the same amp,artist etc. this forum would be piss boring!

I'm definitely not going to hassle somebody over their choice of music.

Except shredding, that's just shite.

I do object to being told what my musical tastes and influences are though.

I'm going to have to visit every song on the Ozzy catalogue though, and have you explain exactly what is "AWESOME" about each song, and not just " a song that I like" - which is what the OP was looking for.

[redscott131]

This thread/argument is a little funny because you basically have the origins of a classic "HOT-DOG" argument.

What I mean is, you like the end result (the hotdog) but don't like the ingredients (random animal meat) that went into make the final product. Which is understandable because I might not totally dig the blues (ingredients), but i like classic rock (end result).

What I'm trying to say is that even though you think you don't like HENDRIX, you really do like HENDRIX because your music, what ever it is (end result), wouldn't be possible if he didn't come along and influence the living hell out of the musical world.

So in a way..........we've all been "Experienced" in some sort of hotdog way.

[Holme]

Originally Posted by Bubba po

I'm definitely not going to hassle somebody over their choice of music.

Except shredding, that's just shite.

I do object to being told what my musical tastes and influences are though.

I'm going to have to visit every song on the Ozzy catalogue though, and have you explain exactly what is "AWESOME" about each song, and not just " a song that I like" - which is what the OP was looking for.

Well Bubba,as a digital printer I do have time to spare so explaining which albums I love & hearing which albums YOU love would be great,who knows you & Grunch might even turn me 'punk'!
I'm open minded to everything but as I've learned,on a forum like this,you need to try & adopt this attitude,not to be liked but to give everyone's 'views' a fair trial!

[brp]

Originally Posted by Holme

I hold him as one of the most respectful members of this forum

I get the sentiment of the rest of your post completely and agree with it. We're of the same view point.
However, this part quoted above seems a little needlessly hyperbolic, don't you think? I mean, he routinely makes a point of making fun of and mocking people on here and what they choose to enjoy (80's rock fans are boring, old "wankers in adult diapers", posting that he's "laughing at" members for being "ridiculous" etc. Granted sometimes I completely agree that is true but making such comments is anything but "respectful")

Of all the people who frequent here, all the people who never say anything disrespectful or controversial or that may hurt someone's e-feelings, that sort of commenting you rate as one of the most respectful members?
Again, I agree with the rest of your post.

[Papus]

You fools.
Bubba po IS Grunch....


It's getting to be like when we had all those Blackies around here....

[DirtySteve]

Doh!

[Bubba po]

Originally Posted by Papus

You fools.
Bubba po IS Grunch....


It's getting to be like when we had all those Blackies around here....

LOL. Grunch is some species of muscle-car-driving American, whereas I'm a pasty-faced 49-year-old Geology academic from the county of West Yorkshire in England. Would Grunch use a word like thanatocoenosis or even know of its existence? I don't think so.

Besides, Grunch hates the Stranglers - that's a sin.

[Holme]

Look I'm a (fairly) active member of this forum,more so since starting the YJM thread & answering PM's so people don't blow their amps before knocking a riff out!
BUT I feel i have to be honest & the truth is since I gave Grunch a clean slate he's genuinely been a perfect Marshall Forum member that I have to hold in high regard!
I know there's regulars on here who are reading this & probably think I'm on crack but straight up,I can't slate the guy!

[diesect20022000]

Originally Posted by Papus

You fools.
Bubba po IS Grunch....


It's getting to be like when we had all those Blackies around here....

i thought everyone knew that.

[Bubba po]

Originally Posted by redscott131

This thread/argument is a little funny because you basically have the origins of a classic "HOT-DOG" argument.

What I mean is, you like the end result (the hotdog) but don't like the ingredients (random animal meat) that went into make the final product. Which is understandable because I might not totally dig the blues (ingredients), but i like classic rock (end result).

What I'm trying to say is that even though you think you don't like HENDRIX, you really do like HENDRIX because your music, what ever it is (end result), wouldn't be possible if he didn't come along and influence the living hell out of the musical world.

So in a way..........we've all been "Experienced" in some sort of hotdog way.

I honestly don't see any Hendrix influence in any of the music I like I dispute that there is any of JH's rig in MY hotdog.

[diesect20022000]

so how about those fooseball games the kids are playing these days? Those nintendos and pac man video games?

[Blacque Jacque]

My 2p;

I am not consciously influenced by Hendrix. I do not own any of his records, although inevitably some do appear on compilations. I have never played a Hendrix track in my life, All along the watchtower doesn't count because it was Dylan's.

I do take my influences from guitar players both before & after his time, I suppose there may be some diluted effect of that.

I play all sorts of stuff, ranging from 50's Rock n Roll through punk, prog, metal, pop, blues and so on.

I stand by my assertion: I am not consciously influenced by Hendrix

[Bubba po]

Originally Posted by diesect20022000

so how about those fooseball games the kids are playing these days? Those nintendos and pac man video games?

They'd never have happened if it wasn't for Bobby Fischer and his complete mastery of the Game of chess.

[Wiseblood]

Originally Posted by Holme

I get Grunch fine,that's why if you do your research you'll find I hold him as one of the most respectful members of this forum & he never gets anything but 'joke' slayings from me!
He's a punk,as in choice of music,same way I suppose I'm a 'cheesey rocker' to you!
I noticed you had a problem with my choice of Ozzy/Sabbath albums as not having a crap song on them!
This is fine but note!
Even Grunch kept his trap shut,as much as I kept mine shut on all his Ramones listings!
NOT because I'm 'scared' of his Internet following,but because I RESPECT where he's coming from & what he likes as an individual!
Remember,if we all liked the same amp,artist etc. this forum would be piss boring!

Agreed, but it would be nice if he repaid the same respects to others that he didn't agree with, voice your opinion once in a while (when needed) and then respect others opinions exactly as you mention vs being over-barring in needing to voice his opinion of being against the grain on an ongoing basis.

You don't have to like everything or anything in particular obviously music is subjective, but there are certain players out there who deserve (or have earned the right) to be 'appreciated' (not liked), but appreciated for what they've done for music as a whole.

By the way Holme, we're cool, just directing at Grunch's attitude. Which by the way, I have no issue with Grunch personally, I share my opinion in hopes of it being taken as constructive criticism.

[Papus]

Tick




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[Holme]

Originally Posted by brp

I get the sentiment of the rest of your post completely and agree with it. We're of the same view point.
However, this part quoted above seems a little needlessly hyperbolic, don't you think? I mean, he routinely makes a point of making fun of and mocking people on here and what they choose to enjoy (80's rock fans are boring, old "wankers in adult diapers", posting that he's "laughing at" members for being "ridiculous" etc. Granted sometimes I completely agree that is true but making such comments is anything but "respectful")

Of all the people who frequent here, all the people who never say anything disrespectful or controversial or that may hurt someone's e-feelings, that sort of commenting you rate as one of the most respectful members?
Again, I agree with the rest of your post.

Grunch is a 'punk'
As following in typical 'punk' tradition will NOT back down,even if proving a point!
As I say I'm not his fan club,but as been of UK traditonal 'upbringing' I naturally respect 'elders' & as such I will respect 'elders' opinions!
Far Rider,Papus,Australian,Gibson xxx,Keef,CrossRoads to name a few will always have an 'instant' amount of respect over others just because of how I've been brought up!
By the by I honoured to give 'Grunch' a clean slate & on doing so have found him to be impeccable!
I still to this day have to be called anything disrespectful from Grunch & can only give him general praise!
I know,you think I'm mental but show the guy some respect & you may be surprised what you get back in return!

[brp]

Originally Posted by Holme

I know,you think I'm mental but show the guy some respect & you may be surprised what you get back in return!

Hey for the record, I was probably the first person here to tell everyone to lighten up and stop taking everything he says so damn personal.
Still, my point remains.


Also, to the OP: I don't give a crap who anyone here is influenced and/but found that whole incident utterly ridden with failure. But they were trying to make a point that was more transcendental, and while valid was kinda tedious at best when repeated incessantly.

[SmokeyDopey]

The hot dog analogy was pretty ****ing cool actually!


There are those who are not influenced by Hendrix, but the music style played can have certain roots that COME from Hendrix, but it doens't mean that you LOVE Hendrix. It just played a really big part in rock & roll in general, but it doesn't mean that EVERYONE is influenced by Hendrix.


Dudes... Alright. Why don't we clear this up?
This comes down to how the word "INFLUENCED" is defined be each other. It doesn't seem that we're all on the same page with that definition.

So this is not a Hendrix argument, it's a definition argument.

[diesect20022000]

Originally Posted by SmokeyDopey

The hot dog analogy was pretty ****ing cool actually!


There are those who are not influenced by Hendrix, but the music style played can have certain roots that COME from Hendrix, but it doens't mean that you LOVE Hendrix. It just played a really big part in rock & roll in general, but it doesn't mean that EVERYONE is influenced by Hendrix.


Dudes... Alright. Why don't we clear this up?
This comes down to how the word "INFLUENCED" is defined be each other. It doesn't seem that we're all on the same page with that definition.

So this is not a Hendrix argument, it's a definition argument.

agreed. So is tone in the hands or the gear?