jalexquijano

Trying to set up my rig in a vintage way. What type of angled cabinet did Jimmy Page used in 1972- 1973 Madison Square Garden concerts? Was it checkered or basket weave? I believe the speakers were Vintage 30´s. Anyone has pictures to share?

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No they were NOT Vintage 30s...Celestion didn't even make the V30 until around 85/86.

The speakers were G12H-30s (not the same speaker as a V30...the V30 is its own speaker and was Marshall's attempt at a modern day Alnico speaker in the 80s...in no way shape or form is it or was it ever even closely related to the H-30s) and they were ones made prior to '74. The cloth was checkerboard if memory serves me right.

Here's a clip of a 100 watt Super Lead through a Marshall Power Brake attenuator and a '73 straight cab loaded with the original '73 G12H-30s doing Black Dog with a Les Paul loaded w/EMG pickups. Amp is flat out dimed on every knob. Audio was taken from a vid-cam but...AMAZINGLY close to TSRTS.

http://www.wilderamplification.com/s...icclassic1.mp3

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george76

he uses 1960's basketweave cabs. with G12H pre-rola speakers.

if you watch the vids on youtube you will see them in the background.

pause this one at 3:18

Wilder Amplification

Pre-Rola is a misnomer. British Rola aquired Celestion in 1947, which makes every speaker ever used by Marshall a "Rola Celestion". They may not have actually said "Rola-Celestion" on the speakers until sometime in the late '60s or so, but they were still Rola-Celestion since before Marshall was ever even thought of.

The legend of the "Greenback" and "Pre-Rola" Celestions

"Greenback" is the reference to the color of the plastic magnet cover used on so many of the first ceramic G12s. (All of the first covers were green, but not all speakers had covers, such as the T.1134). Other colors used over the years (post-'74) include grey, cream, and black.

The greens are the most sought after because, like so many things, musical, it is believed that older is better, and the oldest of all the greens just happen to be those made wtih the "Celestion Ltd, Thames Ditton, Surrey" label, in preference to the "Rola Celestion Ltd. Ipswich, Suffolk" label that followed, after the factory had moved there in 1970, which is therefor where the "pre-Rola" legend comes from.

However, once they started printing Rola Celestion Ltd on the speaker, it was only the labeling nomenclature that changed. NOTHING changed about the G12 speakers themselves until '74, so the correct nomenclature would be "pre-'74" Celestions instead of "pre-Rola".

While the so-called "pre-Rolas" are probably worth an arm and a leg, you can get a Rola Celestion from say '72 for way cheaper than a so-called "pre-Rola" and you're getting the same exact speaker.

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george76

im sure thats all true, but you are just confusing people there.

when people refer to pre-rola they are referring to the label on the back of the speaker not the history of the company. the term generally refers to celestion speakers made from the mid 60's to late 1971 when the label changed. 71 is also the same year marshall cabs changed from basketweave to checkerboard grill cloth. so a basketweave cab will always have 'pre-rola' speakers if the speakers are original. these are the cabs jimmy page used.

also when people refer to greenbacks they generally mean the G12M speaker. the G12H speakers jimmy page and hendrix used do have green covers but they are not usually referred to as greenbacks.

most of the 'pre-rola' G12H speakers dont have any labels on them at all.

its true celestion speakers have the pulsonic cones up until 1974. basically the same as pre-rolas but not as sought after.

Wilder Amplification

Maybe so...however, I'm wanting to make sure people know that the whole "pre-Rola" thing has only to do with the label and the label only. They don't have to go and pay an arm and a leg for a "pre-Rola" label when they can pay less for a speaker made after the Rola label switch but made before '74 and have the same exact speaker, pulsonic cone and all.

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janarn

When Celestion made the G12M RI, they called it Greenback.
Before that, both G12M and G12H used to be greenback speakers.

And the T1134 has nothing to do with greenbacks.
The story of the greenbacks started very early '66 with the G12M 20w.
I have six of them that is made earlier than the Doyle "date entered" for T1221.

george76

too many people refer to that michael doyle book. there is a lot of incorrect and missing information in it. it was written in 1992 and has not been updated since. a lot has been learnt since then.