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Old 11-06-2009, 01:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey guys,
What speakers would get me more bass from my '83 2203? Right now I'm playing through a Fender 4x10 with stock speakers. The bass is maxed out, the treble is at 0, and my friend with the Traynor Deluxe reverb clone has a lower-end. I play led zeppelin-type rhythm and ac/dc-type lead, going for that type of sound.

I'm thinking G12T-75's? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
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What speakers would get me more bass from my '83 2203? Right now I'm playing through a Fender 4x10 with stock speakers. The bass is maxed out, the treble is at 0, and my friend with the Traynor Deluxe reverb clone has a lower-end. I play led zeppelin-type rhythm and ac/dc-type lead, going for that type of sound.

I'm thinking G12T-75's? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
The 2203 is naturally a really bassy head with loads of low end grunt.

I use my 800 with G12T-75's and they are decent. Im gonna swap one out for a vintage 30.

How old are your valves... they can become thin sounding over time.

The Vintage 30's, G12T-75's G12K-100's... all have a lot of low end.

If you want an AC/DC tone your best going for Greenbacks or Heritage 30's. These deliver that vintage tone

The G12T-75 can be quite harsh on the treble but have lots of low end.

You looking at getting a new cab? because 12 inch speakers wouldnt fit into your 4*10 without modification.
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The 2203 is naturally a really bassy head with loads of low end grunt.
I use my 800 with G12T-75's and they are decent. Im gonna swap one out for a vintage 30.
How old are your valves... they can become thin sounding over time.
The Vintage 30's, G12T-75's G12K-100's... all have a lot of low end.
If you want an AC/DC tone your best going for Greenbacks or Heritage 30's. These deliver that vintage tone
The G12T-75 can be quite harsh on the treble but have lots of low end.
You looking at getting a new cab? because 12 inch speakers wouldnt fit into your 4*10 without modification.
G12T's all have nice crisp bottom end but the Vintage 30's do not. They are a lot closer to Greenbacks with very good mids.
I use a fullstack with my 2203x - Vintage 30's on top cab and G12T-75's on the bootom cab. Smoking combination. The cabs sounds VERY different ...
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i have a Crate bv cab for home use that i loaded with a pair of GT75's and a pair of seventy/80's (i'm probably gonna get slapped for saying this) but the seventy/80's sound better than the GT75's way more low end and no ice pick highs...yet i still prefer my 1960av cab with the V30's for a more even warmer tone
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The G12H Heritage will probably have more low end than any of the speakers mentioned above. They have a 55 Hz resonance frequency, where all the others are 75 Hz.

They ain't cheap though.

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G12T's all have nice crisp bottom end but the Vintage 30's do not. They are a lot closer to Greenbacks with very good mids.
I use a fullstack with my 2203x - Vintage 30's on top cab and G12T-75's on the bootom cab. Smoking combination. The cabs sounds VERY different ...
Sweet combination of cabs im building a 2*12 cab the size of a 4*12 with one Vintage 30 and one G12T-75.

I would have used Greenbacks.. but i would just blow them up.

apparently one of the nicest speakers ever is the G12 65.
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Thanks for the replies guys. Yeah this thing has no bass and is extra bright. The tubes are new winged c's, but the pre-amps and caps, older than dirt. Also has the brite cap and treble circuit in tact. Hopefully replacing and cutting some stuff will solve my problem.

The 4x10 is actually the speaker section of a hot rod deluxe. I'm looking to get a new cabinet. Sounds like a stock 1960 will do, and then switch out two GT75's for two Veteran 30's. Seriously I'm on a budget here.
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Check craig's list for a 1960 cab. I found two in Atlanta for $300 and another for $365... one guy has one beat to shit here for $400. I am getting one next week for $325 in decent shape... I play a '84 JCM 800 2203 with the bright cap cliped and that shit just ROARS!!!
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alright doods, just scored a 1960a from craigslist. I'm gonna play a little SHE'S GOT THE LOOKS THAT KEEEEEL and some SHE WAAS PRETTAY FROM NEW YORK SEETAY and I'll let you know how it sounds.
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The G12H Heritage will probably have more low end than any of the speakers mentioned above. They have a 55 Hz resonance frequency, where all the others are 75 Hz.

They ain't cheap though.

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They may have the 55Hz cones, but their bass response isn't anywhere close to "heavy" like a T75.

Typically you'll notice that higher wattage speakers will exibit more lows than a lower wattage speaker, with the exception of a few such as the V30.
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So the GT75's definitely make my 2203 bassier. But I find I have to roll the amp's treble all the way to zero to tame the highs. I wonder, does anyone else have to run their old marshalls this way (bass on 10, treble on zero)? I still have yet to clip the bright cap, I'll do it Wednesday and let you guys know if it makes a difference. btw kickstart, I got mine for $350, it's a 2006 I've also got two Veteran 30's on the way.
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So the GT75's definitely make my 2203 bassier. But I find I have to roll the amp's treble all the way to zero to tame the highs. I wonder, does anyone else have to run their old marshalls this way (bass on 10, treble on zero)? I still have yet to clip the bright cap, I'll do it Wednesday and let you guys know if it makes a difference. btw kickstart, I got mine for $350, it's a 2006 I've also got two Veteran 30's on the way.
If you're running the amp with the "Volume" pot cranked, clipping the bright cap on the "Volume" pot ain't gonna do shit.

But there is another bright cap on one of the voltage divider resistors that you can clip that will make a difference.
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Thanks for the replies guys. Yeah this thing has no bass and is extra bright. The tubes are new winged c's, but the pre-amps and caps, older than dirt. Also has the brite cap and treble circuit in tact. Hopefully replacing and cutting some stuff will solve my problem.

The 4x10 is actually the speaker section of a hot rod deluxe. I'm looking to get a new cabinet. Sounds like a stock 1960 will do, and then switch out two GT75's for two Veteran 30's. Seriously I'm on a budget here.
Maybe there's a problem with your amp. Do other amps through the same speakers sound ok?
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Wilder, normally I use an attenuator and run the master at 10. So I think removing the first bright cap would be useful for me. Another bright cap, you say? When it doesn't involve lifting the circuit board, I'm game
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Wilder, normally I use an attenuator and run the master at 10. So I think removing the first bright cap would be useful for me. Another bright cap, you say? When it doesn't involve lifting the circuit board, I'm game
You really shouldn't be using an attenuator. They suck tone and fry valves. I know because I read it on the internet. *sarcasm*

Removal of a component shouldn't involve removal of the board. You should just be able to cut it completely out from the top.

However, if you ever wish to re-install the bright cap that I'm referring to, you will have to remove the board to solder it in on the other side.

Post up some pics and I'll show you which one I'm referring to.
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It's about time to get an EQ pedal just and push all the lows all the way up. for god's sake.

for G12T-75's, Bass 6, Mid 10, Treb 4 is what I use. I hate too much low end. That's what bass players are for. Just my opinion.

2203's aren't bassy amps. Maybe you need a DSL or TSL. There's a mid scoop and bass boost button with your name on it.
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Thanks for all the advice, everyone. It's great to hear owner's experiences with GT75's and older 2203's.

AV, I guess I just want to get rid of the tinny sound and want the overall sound to be full. Also right now the sound is really small compared to the Hot Rod Deluxe I a/b'd. Not necessarily looking for the low-end womp, but the bass is virtually non-existent in this guy.

Wilder, yeah everyone tells me I should lose the hotplate. I don't mean to sound like a pig but we have a girl drummer and it is rare that I get to turn it past 3.

jcmjmp: It's possible it's the amp. This week I'll open it up and let you know. They were both craigslists so who knows what's going on inside
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What kind of guitar and pickups are you running through it?
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What kind of guitar and pickups are you running through it?
It's a Les Paul Standard with burstbuckers. I'm finding the head sounds great when I roll back the tone knob 3 or more clicks. At 9 or 10 the G,B,E strings really sound like thin shiat. I'm using the bridge pickup to do all my testing right now because that is what I use the most.

I should also stop expecting it to sound like a fender now shouldn't I.
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Depending on which Burstbucker you have they could be not as punchy as others could be. 498T's and 500T's have good low end. Seymour Duncan Invader pickups have the most low end response I've ever heard but those in particular drown out the higher notes when you hit a full chord. Dimarzio makes a bunch of new stuff that is more bassy also. I use Duncan Distortion pickups (in my Jacksons, I stick with Gibson for my Gibsons) which have a lot of balls. The Dirty Fingers pickup from Gibson is the hottest they make but it's also the cleanest so I'm not a fan of that either.

I think you'd get what you want out of an EQ pedal. You should get some new preamp tubes as well, those have the biggest impact on the overall tone and they control the EQ section of your amp.
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I have G12T-75s in both of my 1960s for my number one rack rig pushed by a Marshall 9200 100/100 power amp and in my 2 Rocktron S112 1x12s in my 2nd rack rig with a 9100 50/50 power amp. I love em. I just havent been able to like Vintage30s or any other speaker than the G12T-75s for playing metal. I set my EQs on my racks preamp/processor at bass-6,mid-6,treble-6 and get by just fine. This is the same EQ settings I used with my 5150s,MKIVs,and JCM-800s. I have EMG81 actives in all of my gigging guitars-ESP M1000,Eclipse,Viper;Ibanez S520ex;Charvel Model Two;and a Schecter Damian FR.
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Depending on which Burstbucker you have they could be not as punchy as others could be. 498T's and 500T's have good low end. Seymour Duncan Invader pickups have the most low end response I've ever heard but those in particular drown out the higher notes when you hit a full chord. Dimarzio makes a bunch of new stuff that is more bassy also. I use Duncan Distortion pickups (in my Jacksons, I stick with Gibson for my Gibsons) which have a lot of balls. The Dirty Fingers pickup from Gibson is the hottest they make but it's also the cleanest so I'm not a fan of that either.

I think you'd get what you want out of an EQ pedal. You should get some new preamp tubes as well, those have the biggest impact on the overall tone and they control the EQ section of your amp.
Thanks AV. They are Pro's in both positions. I need to stick with low output pickups or else the gain doesn't sound right to me. I had the T's in my studio lite (balsa wood) and I felt like I got unwanted extra distortion from my pedal. Too hot?

I have a dan electro fish and chips eq I'll use to test out the low end. However I'm guessing that's not the safest pedal to keep in your signal.
Ima follow your advice on the preamp tubes. They're old, and their skin is cold. Just watched the doors movie
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I have G12T-75s in both of my 1960s for my number one rack rig pushed by a Marshall 9200 100/100 power amp and in my 2 Rocktron S112 1x12s in my 2nd rack rig with a 9100 50/50 power amp. I love em. I just havent been able to like Vintage30s or any other speaker than the G12T-75s for playing metal. I set my EQs on my racks preamp/processor at bass-6,mid-6,treble-6 and get by just fine. This is the same EQ settings I used with my 5150s,MKIVs,and JCM-800s. I have EMG81 actives in all of my gigging guitars-ESP M1000,Eclipse,Viper;Ibanez S520ex;Charvel Model Two;and a Schecter Damian FR.
Dood do you have roadies? j/k, Man that is crazy awesome that you have all those amps but how do you decide what high-gain amp to use? I suppose that is half the fun. Thanks for the settings. I love me some 5150s!
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Holy shiat I snipped the .001uF cap today and *biff* no more harsh high end!
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Holy shiat I snipped the .001uF cap today and *biff* no more harsh high end!
Great to hear!

BTW, my line about attenuators sucking tone and frying valves was meant "tongue-in-cheek". I personally recommend using attenuators on these things simply because these amps were made during a time where the cranked volume of the amp was needed to compensate for PA systems that were not near as powerful as they are today. Nowadays, everyone prefers to mic everything and run low stage volume and PA systems have lots more power than they used to, but lots of players love the sound of a cranked 50 or 100 watter over the sound of an overdrive pedal (myself included), so the attenuator is a great tool for being able to get that without blowing people's eardrums out.

Anyone that tells you that attenuators fry valves is full of shit. Fact is, attenuator or not, ANYTIME you run a valve amp at full crank you will tax the lifespan of the valves. However, everything comes with a price and that's one area where I personally will sacrifice valve life for tone. Done correctly, these amps will do it night after night without missing a beat.
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Thanks for all the advice, everyone. It's great to hear owner's experiences with GT75's and older 2203's.

AV, I guess I just want to get rid of the tinny sound and want the overall sound to be full. Also right now the sound is really small compared to the Hot Rod Deluxe I a/b'd. Not necessarily looking for the low-end womp, but the bass is virtually non-existent in this guy.

Wilder, yeah everyone tells me I should lose the hotplate. I don't mean to sound like a pig but we have a girl drummer and it is rare that I get to turn it past 3.

jcmjmp: It's possible it's the amp. This week I'll open it up and let you know. They were both craigslists so who knows what's going on inside
I use a THD Hotplate with my 2204 and have no issues with tubes frying or loss of tone on the 4db & 8db settings.
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Great to hear!

BTW, my line about attenuators sucking tone and frying valves was meant "tongue-in-cheek". I personally recommend using attenuators on these things simply because these amps were made during a time where the cranked volume of the amp was needed to compensate for PA systems that were not near as powerful as they are today. Nowadays, everyone prefers to mic everything and run low stage volume and PA systems have lots more power than they used to, but lots of players love the sound of a cranked 50 or 100 watter over the sound of an overdrive pedal (myself included), so the attenuator is a great tool for being able to get that without blowing people's eardrums out.

Anyone that tells you that attenuators fry valves is full of shit. Fact is, attenuator or not, ANYTIME you run a valve amp at full crank you will tax the lifespan of the valves. However, everything comes with a price and that's one area where I personally will sacrifice valve life for tone. Done correctly, these amps will do it night after night without missing a beat.
Ohhhh, yeah I thought you were being serious! Thanks for the clarification Jon!
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Ohhhh, yeah I thought you were being serious! Thanks for the clarification Jon!
If you would've looked at my original post, you'd have seen that I placed the smiley face after my statement as well as the *sarcasm* tag, along with the statement "I know this to be fact because I read it on the internet" line.
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gaaah, I re-read it and I totally missed it. It happens to me sometimes! btw, I got my veteran 30s but I've yet to put'em in. I'll let y'all know how they sound if yer interested. Half the price of celestions, can't beat that.
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Hey guys, I just wanted to maybe wrap up this thread by letting you know that I replaced the treble peaking circuit with a 68k resistor and when I did that there wasn't a huge difference. I really can't say if the bass increased, but the treble was tamed a tad bit more. It wasn't the night and day difference that clipping the bright cap was.

I also switched out two of the gt75's with two veteran 30's and the overall sound is 'rounder'. I'm hearing more mids now

Unfortunately I've never tried vintage 30's so I can't compare, but I definitely like this combination better than with all gt75's!
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