What does the 30 mean on a Vintage 30 if it is 60 watts ?

Richman1 · 10-27-2009, 04:07 PM

I'm a little confused on this. Can someone explain why they are called 30's at 60 watts.

jcmjmp · 10-27-2009, 04:25 PM

Its probably 30 as in 30cm.

Ken · 10-27-2009, 04:40 PM

I thought it meant the Marshall marketing department was smoking dope when they named it...

Ken

george76 · 10-27-2009, 05:38 PM

when it was first released they were trying to tap into the demand for the vintage G12H and G12M speakers. just marketing.

janarn · 10-27-2009, 06:38 PM

The Greenback RI G12M 25w was just released, and everybody was waiting
for the RI of the G12H 30w (actually also a "greenback").

Then Celestion released their new speaker "The Vintage 30".
A lot of people thought it was the G12H RI 30w, and bought it.

So why do you think it was called Vintage 30?

Richman1 · 10-27-2009, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janarn

The Greenback RI G12M 25w was just released, and everybody was waiting
for the RI of the G12H 30w (actually also a "greenback").

Then Celestion released their new speaker "The Vintage 30".
A lot of people thought it was the G12H RI 30w, and bought it.

So why do you think it was called Vintage 30?

Thats

very uncool

Richman1 · 10-27-2009, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richman1

Thats

very uncool

They sound great no matter what....

5er driver · 10-28-2009, 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richman1

They sound great no matter what....

Yes they do!

javier pintos · 10-28-2009, 11:01 AM

h´s what the celestion guys have to say about this

Hi Javier
The designer can’t remember so nobody knows for sure. Our best theory is that the project was supposed to be a high power G12H-30 but the designer isn’t sure about this and thinks it was more based on the Alnico Blue.
Knowing Marketing guys they probably just liked the sound of the name Vintage 30!

Sorry I can’t help
The Doc

there you go, we have a beutifull sounding speaker and no one "knows" why is called Vintage 30

Australian · 10-28-2009, 11:42 AM

I'm sure there was an explanation somewhere but cant for the life of me find it.

Wilder Amplification · 10-29-2009, 04:01 AM

Straight from the book The History Of Marshall by Michael Doyle -

The now well-known "Vintage', or "Vintage 30", was introduced in 1986 after protestations from Marshall's Steve Grindrod that "ceramic magnet speakers did not sound as good as Alnico magnet speakers. Steve continues the story.

"The 'Vintage' was not intended to be (nor is) a G12H30, but rather a modern day Alnico, and was originally intended purely for the Studio 15 (4001). The price and availability of cobalt (Alnico = Aluminum, Nickel & Cobalt) in 1985/86 was outrageous as a consequence of the Cold War, hence the use of a ceramic magnet. We found that the "H" magnet came closer to the Alnico in terms of measurable performance, and a new coil assembly was designed using modern materials having similar mass and physical properties to the Alnico 15-watt, but with a much higher flammability rating; hence the Vintage's 70-watt power handling.

Unfortunately, the original cone was not available, so we used the next nearest and added some quite severe doping. The result was a very fine loudspeaker, not quite but very close to the sound of an Alnico, with a fatter midrange. And since its release date coincided with increased demand for classic loudspeakers such as the G12H30, it was marketed by Celestion as the 'Vintage 30', which was where all the confusion came in."

American Viking · 10-29-2009, 04:21 AM

Awesome answer, Jon.

10-27-2009, 04:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
Richman1 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 59	What does the 30 mean on a Vintage 30 if it is 60 watts ? I'm a little confused on this. Can someone explain why they are called 30's at 60 watts. __________________ DSL-50 DSL-50 1960AC 1960BV 1960A 1984 Jackson RR Custom 2006 Les Paul Classic

10-27-2009, 04:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
jcmjmp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,341	Re: What does the 30 mean on a Vintage 30 if it is 60 watts ? Its probably 30 as in 30cm.

10-27-2009, 04:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
Ken Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arlington Heights, IL Posts: 607	Re: What does the 30 mean on a Vintage 30 if it is 60 watts ? I thought it meant the Marshall marketing department was smoking dope when they named it... Ken

10-27-2009, 05:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
george76 Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 74	Re: What does the 30 mean on a Vintage 30 if it is 60 watts ? when it was first released they were trying to tap into the demand for the vintage G12H and G12M speakers. just marketing.

10-27-2009, 06:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
janarn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 408	Re: What does the 30 mean on a Vintage 30 if it is 60 watts ? The Greenback RI G12M 25w was just released, and everybody was waiting for the RI of the G12H 30w (actually also a "greenback"). Then Celestion released their new speaker "The Vintage 30". A lot of people thought it was the G12H RI 30w, and bought it. So why do you think it was called Vintage 30?

10-28-2009, 11:01 AM	#9 (permalink)
javier pintos Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mexico Posts: 323	Re: What does the 30 mean on a Vintage 30 if it is 60 watts ? h´s what the celestion guys have to say about this Hi Javier The designer can’t remember so nobody knows for sure. Our best theory is that the project was supposed to be a high power G12H-30 but the designer isn’t sure about this and thinks it was more based on the Alnico Blue. Knowing Marketing guys they probably just liked the sound of the name Vintage 30! Sorry I can’t help The Doc there you go, we have a beutifull sounding speaker and no one "knows" why is called Vintage 30

10-28-2009, 11:42 AM	#10 (permalink)
Australian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Outback Posts: 172	Re: What does the 30 mean on a Vintage 30 if it is 60 watts ? I'm sure there was an explanation somewhere but cant for the life of me find it. __________________ 410h;410c;205h;RR1959;2203;2205. JCM 900 1960;JCM800 1960;1960AHW; 1960Classic;1960BW; JCM800 1936 v30's;1936 G12T-75'3.

10-29-2009, 04:21 AM	#12 (permalink)
American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 1,510	Re: What does the 30 mean on a Vintage 30 if it is 60 watts ? Awesome answer, Jon. __________________ -I'd rather be a good liver than have one...

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