Are all Celestions now made in China???

Gtrman58 · 10-17-2009, 08:29 AM

Recently got into a DSL 100 MLB half stack. The cab was basicly free. Starting to look around for replacement speakers. I know, I would be better off replacing the whole MC412A cab with a nice 1960A or av....but my train of thought is this cab is gonna get trashed anyway so swap out the speaks...

My question is, I am pretty much leaning toward the vintage 30's or G12T-75's.... are all these babies now made in China? If so, what are my other options? Zzounds is pretty upfront with listing place of origin and I really appreciate that, but if I am going to pay top dollar I would like to buy a Brittish or American speaker. Its one thing to buy a chinese Vintage 30 for 39.95, but thats not the case. They are top dollar.

Is it no longer possible to get a non chinese vintage 30 or G12T-75 anymore?
No offense to anyone, but if they take a 149.00 speaker thats being produced in England, paying someone a decent living wage to make it, then pull production there and send it somewhere that pays slave wages....why the heck aren't they passing that saving on to the consumer? Because Mr. CEO who was making 6 million a year last year can make 20 million this year? NO THANKS!
Whats this world coming to??

http://www.zzounds.com/item--CELVINT3008

Thanks!

Bob

airborne strat · 10-17-2009, 11:42 AM

Here is a guy that is really good and sells UK made hard to find Celestions I just got a G8 vintage 8 16 ohm 60 watt speaker...awesome prices and he is really responsive.
eBay Seller: bmsanborn: Musical Instruments items on eBay.com
Hope that this helps.
E

MonstersOfTheMidway · 10-17-2009, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gtrman58

Recently got into a DSL 100 MLB half stack. The cab was basicly free. Starting to look around for replacement speakers. I know, I would be better off replacing the whole MC412A cab with a nice 1960A or av....but my train of thought is this cab is gonna get trashed anyway so swap out the speaks...

My question is, I am pretty much leaning toward the vintage 30's or G12T-75's.... are all these babies now made in China? If so, what are my other options? Zzounds is pretty upfront with listing place of origin and I really appreciate that, but if I am going to pay top dollar I would like to buy a Brittish or American speaker. Its one thing to buy a chinese Vintage 30 for 39.95, but thats not the case. They are top dollar.

Is it no longer possible to get a non chinese vintage 30 or G12T-75 anymore?
No offense to anyone, but if they take a 149.00 speaker thats being produced in England, paying someone a decent living wage to make it, then pull production there and send it somewhere that pays slave wages....why the heck aren't they passing that saving on to the consumer? Because Mr. CEO who was making 6 million a year last year can make 20 million this year? NO THANKS!
Whats this world coming to??

Celestion Vintage 30 from zZounds.com!

Thanks!

Bob

Sup. You can find some Celestions that are still made in the UK, but Celestion has shifted some of it's operations to China. I think it all depends on how much quality control Celestion wants to invest in the Chinese made speakers. I've seen great products come out of foreign countries, and I've also seen embarrasing production originate from the U.S., and vice versa. Beyond that, it's up to the consumer to do his/her homework and search out as much information about a product as possible. You can say whatever you want about the economics, market, and business because I'm sure it's all been said before somewhere around here.

***The great thing about your search for speakers is that you have choices. If you like American-made, then search out some other companies where their entire operations are based in the U.S. I've got some great American made speakers in my 20 year old Fender combo, so my faith in American made speakers is still strong. Let your eyes and ears be the judge. Good luck in your search.

G60_dave · 10-17-2009, 06:50 PM

Whats wrong with China? Your amp was made there so whats the problem?

MartyStrat54 · 10-18-2009, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airborne strat

Here is a guy that is really good and sells UK made hard to find Celestions I just got a G8 vintage 8 16 ohm 60 watt speaker...awesome prices and he is really responsive.
eBay Seller: bmsanborn: Musical Instruments items on eBay.com
Hope that this helps.
E

He also sells mint NOS RFT EL34's for $200 a quad. Sweet!

steelhorse · 10-18-2009, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G60_dave

Whats wrong with China? Your amp was made there so whats the problem?

I hope that it's a long lasting amp from China.

There's just SO many really awful products when first used and or looked at appear to be fine but later result in injury or catastrophic failure.

Dog food, powdered milk, slippers/thongs that burned the skin, and the most recent; drywall. It falls apart and is toxic and corrosive to metals and other materials.

Insurers not only will NOT insure a home that files a claim because of it, they drop the homeowner completely and no one else will insure the home.

Can you imagine, you build a house and the house is completely uninhabitable AND not covered by insurance to be repaired because of the bad material?!

If I see Made in China on any product I stay away.

Anyway, I digress. I hope your amp, speakers, guitars, or whatever instruments purchased that were built in China, provide years of great unencumbered playing and won't cause any of it's owners any health issues.

American Viking · 10-18-2009, 05:54 PM

I agree, and what's this bull about a Marshall amp made in China?

Marshall's factory is and always has been in England. I don't know where that dude thinks they are made in China.

Eventually I'm going to ditch all my Celestions for American made speakers.

There is a company in the U.S.A. that rivals Celestions and they are for half the price. That company is Warehouse Speakers. Also, the cabinet that you have is not made the same way or out of the same material as the 1960 cabinets. I would try to find an empty one of those and stock it with other speakers rather than put them in the MC412. The cabinet construction has a lot to do with he sound quality as well. You wouldn't put pimped out rims on a Chrysler Reliant would you?

Gtrman58 · 10-18-2009, 07:51 PM

Yes, as I stated I know that the 1960 cabs are alot better, but I was just trying to save alittle money by going the speaker swap route. I have nothing against foreign products, England, Japan...if the quality is there I don't have a problem with good stuff at a good price. I buy American first and formost when I can.

Most of my experiences with Chinese products have not been good ones. As I said, the move of their production plant all boils down to cutting costs, which is also fine but if its just to pad their wallets more & not pass on the savings to the consumer thats BS!

As far as my amp being made in China, I have a few of them, not sure which one G60 dave is refering to.

G60_dave · 10-19-2009, 10:07 AM

Sorry my bad. All cheaper (haze, etc)marshall stuff is made in India.

All the items you listed are CONTERFEIT goods. China, whether you like it or now, make products as good as anywhere with, sadly for us, cheaper labour.
Only the top end Vox,marshall,fender stuff is made where you want it. All the cheap fender stuff, HRD etc, are built in Mexico/China, all the AC30CC are Chinese.

Personally, I play the handwired UK built Laney and Blackstar stuff, and a Blackheart for jamming (which is chinese built).

My point is, its not 1980. China are a huge manufacturing nation with the skills to pay the bills. It saddens me, but doesnt surprise me, that all the anti China BS, is from Americans.

Steelhorse, I could practically hear star spangled banner playing during your anti China rant about dog food and thongs.

ledfree · 10-19-2009, 12:28 PM

I think you will find that Blackstar are designed in England, by ex Marshall staff. But are built in the far east (Malaysia I believe) under strict QC regime.

Gtrman58 · 10-19-2009, 12:41 PM

Personally, I play the handwired UK built Laney and Blackstar stuff, and a Blackheart for jamming (which is chinese built).

G60 interesting point.

Sooooo you have no problem with counterfeit stuff from china? Or just legit stuff from china? Are you in a cover band? Are you an original artist and if you are if they bootleg your original material, would you have a problem with that and then jump on the ol American anti chinese sentiment?

Not really sure the point you are try to make here.

Yep its not 1980 any more, the skills they got to pay the bills came from the greed to do the deed. How many millions do you need?

Hey...there a song in there somewhere....

G60_dave · 10-19-2009, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gtrman58

Personally, I play the handwired UK built Laney and Blackstar stuff, and a Blackheart for jamming (which is chinese built).

G60 interesting point.

Sooooo you have no problem with counterfeit stuff from china? Or just legit stuff from china? Are you in a cover band? Are you an original artist and if you are if they bootleg your original material, would you have a problem with that and then jump on the ol American anti chinese sentiment?

Not really sure the point you are try to make here.

Yep its not 1980 any more, the skills they got to pay the bills came from the greed to do the deed. How many millions do you need?

Hey...there a song in there somewhere....

I play quality equipment regardless of where it is built. Ive been in music for nearly 20 years and have seen a few changes, none of which I have a problem with. Napster itunes etc.

I just feel this is a very blinkered forum, I come here for a few bits of info for my amps (64 JTM45, Park 75) and find a group of folks who argue about everything unless its been touched by Jim Marshall, who, shock horror never touched amps. He sold them. Ken Bran, Ken Underwood and the boys designed and built them.

My main point however, is the shock and disgust that celestion are building speakers in china. Its a modern reality that most stuff is built in China, with the same quality components as before.
Id love to buy an amp of the quality from 1966 (oh wait, I have a Watkins 50th Anni Dominator on order

) but simply put it cant be done at a reasonable price. A reality is that Marshall build stuff in India, as do, Im corrected Blackstar. Its business. These people arent musicians like us who can tell orange drops from Zoso by ear,but they know the price difference.

I dont knowingly buy any conterfeit stuff, and have a problem with it.

Gtrman58 · 10-19-2009, 01:35 PM

G60- Dave,

I am new to this forum also. I bought my first Marshall superlead in 1973 when I like 15-16 years old. Started playing in groups soon after that. I, like you have seen tons of changes in the music business in the last 30-40 years. Some of it I was ok with, some not.

I also like you, really don't have a problem with someone building a better mouse trap, per se, if really we are comparing the same things, apples to apples...etc. If we are talking about the same quality, the same craftsmanship etc...why move production? Because of the pollution standards that your country and my country have...er had?

If I was sure its the same quality at a lower price with the same global/human rights/ manufacturing standards that our countries adopted long ago, I like you would have no problem with the product being from Mars... because someone figured out a way to to it better and cheaper, and not putting lives or enviroment at risk. I know a bunch of folks who travel to china weekly and tell me that is simply not the case.

If people over there complain about the conditions, they are simply taken away and not heard from again. So, yes the subject matter has taken a heavy turn, but we are not talking about a free society on an even playing field in my book, and people need to start realizing this.

steelhorse · 10-19-2009, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G60_dave

Sorry my bad. All cheaper (haze, etc)marshall stuff is made in India.

All the items you listed are CONTERFEIT goods. China, whether you like it or now, make products as good as anywhere with, sadly for us, cheaper labour.
Only the top end Vox,marshall,fender stuff is made where you want it. All the cheap fender stuff, HRD etc, are built in Mexico/China, all the AC30CC are Chinese.

Personally, I play the handwired UK built Laney and Blackstar stuff, and a Blackheart for jamming (which is chinese built).

My point is, its not 1980. China are a huge manufacturing nation with the skills to pay the bills. It saddens me, but doesnt surprise me, that all the anti China BS, is from Americans.

Steelhorse, I could practically hear star spangled banner playing during your anti China rant about dog food and thongs.

Well you sound like a Chinese apologist, but HISTORICALLY speaking they build shit, they lop people's heads off for no reason and even their Chinese food sucks imo. I was there during the Olympics and I saw countless fake shit and bull shit so don't wave your commie flag over here bud.

I don't care where shit goods are made, US, the UK or Asia, it's still shit.

Might look like the real goods but when it hurts people, pets, babies, FUCK them.

And FTR, this ain't waving the flag over here, this is fact.

jupiter89 · 10-19-2009, 03:57 PM

Regardless of what country something was made in, if there has been a trend from a given country to produce shit, it behooves the buyer to think twice about buying from there - why would someone take the chance of getting screwed out of their hard earning money ? Maybe if there is enough boycotting of products from a country having a tendency to make inferior goods, quality control may improve. I have personally purchased a Vox AC4TV practice amp and the Vox 15w Night Train both of which are made in Vietnam. The quality and workmanship are excellent. If I see something else made from there I want, would I hesitate to buy it? No.

By the way, even those are great little amps, my Marshalls have their tubes lit up more often.

wkcchampion · 10-19-2009, 04:08 PM

My Vox AC30CC2X is made in China.
I compared that with a 63 Top boost some years ago, recording with an SM57 in front at various volume (that is gain) settings. The 63 was louder, but much noisier and less definite/fuzzier... so yes, Chiense can made good products if they are supproted by good designs and quality control

Jenovaslegacy · 10-19-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by American Viking

I agree, and what's this bull about a Marshall amp made in China?

Marshall's factory is and always has been in England. I don't know where that dude thinks they are made in China.

Eventually I'm going to ditch all my Celestions for American made speakers.

There is a company in the U.S.A. that rivals Celestions and they are for half the price. That company is Warehouse Speakers. Also, the cabinet that you have is not made the same way or out of the same material as the 1960 cabinets. I would try to find an empty one of those and stock it with other speakers rather than put them in the MC412. The cabinet construction has a lot to do with he sound quality as well. You wouldn't put pimped out rims on a Chrysler Reliant would you?

I've got a feeling some of the mini stacks and lower end solid states are manufactured in China dude....

Hollowbody · 10-19-2009, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steelhorse

I hope that it's a long lasting amp from China.

There's just SO many really awful products when first used and or looked at appear to be fine but later result in injury or catastrophic failure.

Dog food, powdered milk, slippers/thongs that burned the skin, and the most recent; drywall. It falls apart and is toxic and corrosive to metals and other materials.

Insurers not only will NOT insure a home that files a claim because of it, they drop the homeowner completely and no one else will insure the home.

Can you imagine, you build a house and the house is completely uninhabitable AND not covered by insurance to be repaired because of the bad material?!

If I see Made in China on any product I stay away.

Anyway, I digress. I hope your amp, speakers, guitars, or whatever instruments purchased that were built in China, provide years of great unencumbered playing and won't cause any of it's owners any health issues.

I have to 100 percent agree with this.

And it's not a result of incompetence. In China they are masters at using economic advantage as political leverage. Other countries also do this but for China it is like a "game" that results in a stranglehold for an "opponent" who is stuck with worthless goods and no equity. It is part of their history, they don't really believe in capitalism or free trade as we do but they will use these things, learn the game and make any effort to gain an advantage. They see it not as the only way to survive but a guarantee. And they would love it if we became completely dependent on their cheap labor and materials.

I'm not talking about Chinese people, but they have an industry and government that is structured this way and it reflects in almost every aspect of disregard for human life.

Hollowbody · 10-19-2009, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollowbody

And it's not a result of incompetence.

I take that back, it's a big country and a lot of variables, I'm sure there is incompetence but I still believe they take advantage of it, and the US.

Also, #1 country for industrial espionage? China. If they can't get the rights from a business they will steal it and their government is all for that kind of action.

luekemeyer · 10-19-2009, 11:26 PM

I say we nuke the Chinese (maybe France too).. It us and the British!!! Most of everything that comes from China is crap. The only decent products are made by american companies ran (managed) by americans using chinese labor. I now ask that each of your burn your chinese crap and go buy something else.

Mullard Man · 10-19-2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by G60_dave

My point is, its not 1980. China are a huge manufacturing nation with the skills to pay the bills. It saddens me, but doesnt surprise me, that all the anti China BS, is from Americans.

Steelhorse, I could practically hear star spangled banner playing during your anti China rant about dog food and thongs.

Being across the pond, you might not realize how many problems we've had with subpar products that were made in China.

It's not one or two products. It's hundreds of products, concerning issues with substituting a known good component/chemical/process for another... which was obviously cheaper, but not of the same quality that was initially spec'd.

I know a veterinarian that stated he lost a dozen dogs over the tainted Chinese dog food.

If you've ever owned a dog, I don't think you would be that happy with their death due to a company in China trying to improve a profit statement?

Gtrman58 · 10-20-2009, 07:02 AM

I've got friends in France, Germany & Australia. The out sourcing of jobs. inferior products, tainted human and animal food is a giant problem there as well. If they (china) don't play by the same rules as the other countries, they should not be allowed to play or the greedy industrialists that import the inferior shit from that country should be held responsible.....BOTTOM LINE!

American Viking · 10-20-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by G60_dave

It saddens me, but doesnt surprise me, that all the anti China BS, is from Americans.

You know what limey...(*@&^&*^()
Sooo, in the last year, Chinese products have been sent to our country with chemicals in food that have killed countless animals(melamine in wheat gluten that could have killed people), they've sent toys made for children that secrete GHB (the date rape drug), the workers in these factories are damn near working in slave conditions, factories with dirt floors and they are required to live in multi-family small apartments with no plumbing or running water and when these apartments are built for the workers of the factories by the owners of the factories, the Chinese government doesn't allow the builders to install things like plumbing and AC, etc so they can continue to oppress their people and exploit cheap labor.

Communism is oppressive of it's people while the government stays rich and can act like a Capitalist. I'm not saying my country is perfect, I've got plenty of gripes, but we're better than the rest.

You'd be speaking German right now if it wasn't for us. You're welcome.

American Viking · 10-20-2009, 05:44 PM

Sorry to all you other long time forumites for going off topic. I can't stand idly by when someone talks about my home. I take that stuff to heart.

Ken · 10-20-2009, 09:42 PM

Um...used 1960 cabs go as cheap as $350; there's one on C/L Chicago now that's in good shape. So trash the crap cabinet; don't waste money buying speakers. $400 will buy a good 1960 cabinet all day long, and if you get lucky you might get a 1982 with G12H30's or G12H80's for less, like I did.

Ken

Gtrman58 · 10-20-2009, 09:49 PM

No problem Viking, I didn't mean to open such a giant can of worms but I am really...REALLY getting sick of seeing EVERYTHING go to china. I do have some stuff (No music gear that I know of ) made in asia but I really try to stay away from it. Some of the gear I have tried in the past (beheringer) was junk ( my opinion) so I sent it back. I am alway open to new things but I expect big bang for my bucks!

I think I have found my speaks but it means a road trip to Nashville this weekend so maybe my search is over. After playing on the DSL tonight I might have a new problem. After about an hour of playing I had a loud POP and a kind of fizz....Thought I noticed a slight volume loss but thought it might be the older cord I was using. Played for about another hour and no other pops or fizzes......soooooo we'll see.......

Fcal124 · 10-20-2009, 10:58 PM

What's made in China, should stay in China.
They treat their own people like shit, so why would they care about the quality of their exports. I have an Epiphone 56 Goldtop (made in China) and it's the worst piece of shit guitar I own. I'd burn it, but I'm afraid that it'll give off toxic fumes.
Things made in China are cheaper because they have kids working 16 hr days building the crap.
I don't care if I have to pay more, but I''l stick to my Gibsons, Fenders (Am Std), Mesa Boogies, and Marshalls. Mesa's Celestion spkrs are still made in the UK. You might want to check out their site for their V-30 Black Shadows (Celestions) About $129 each.
Don't come crying when your Chinese CRAP blows-up.

American Viking · 10-20-2009, 11:50 PM

I try to buy American first and foremost, but I have no problems supporting quality products from my European brethren, be it the British amplifiers, the German steel and any other high quality items from around the world that are made with pride and honor, not greed and exploitation.

Bret138 · 10-21-2009, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by American Viking

I try to buy American first and foremost, but I have no problems supporting quality products from my European brethren, be it the British amplifiers, the German steel and any other high quality items from around the world that are made with pride and honor, not greed and exploitation.

I'm sure you mean Made in U.S.A. and not "American" because I'm sure you're throwing stuff made in mexico and anywhere in south AMERICA too...

sorry, I just hate when people are oblivious to the fact that the U.S. isn't the only part of america

javier pintos · 10-21-2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by American Viking

I try to buy American first and foremost, but I have no problems supporting quality products from my European brethren, be it the British amplifiers, the German steel and any other high quality items from around the world that are made with pride and honor, not greed and exploitation.

Hy AV, let me be an ass once more, where are your clothes made?, your salt and pepper shakers made?, the guts of your vehicle?

I respect your support (hell everyone should thing the same way), but in this global society you have to realize that there is no such thing as things made without greed, the mere success of the capitalism is based on greed, call it what you want, but it is greed

10-17-2009, 08:29 AM	#1 (permalink)
Gtrman58 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: St. Louis, Mo. Posts: 148	Are all Celestions now made in China??? Recently got into a DSL 100 MLB half stack. The cab was basicly free. Starting to look around for replacement speakers. I know, I would be better off replacing the whole MC412A cab with a nice 1960A or av....but my train of thought is this cab is gonna get trashed anyway so swap out the speaks... My question is, I am pretty much leaning toward the vintage 30's or G12T-75's.... are all these babies now made in China? If so, what are my other options? Zzounds is pretty upfront with listing place of origin and I really appreciate that, but if I am going to pay top dollar I would like to buy a Brittish or American speaker. Its one thing to buy a chinese Vintage 30 for 39.95, but thats not the case. They are top dollar. Is it no longer possible to get a non chinese vintage 30 or G12T-75 anymore? No offense to anyone, but if they take a 149.00 speaker thats being produced in England, paying someone a decent living wage to make it, then pull production there and send it somewhere that pays slave wages....why the heck aren't they passing that saving on to the consumer? Because Mr. CEO who was making 6 million a year last year can make 20 million this year? NO THANKS! Whats this world coming to?? http://www.zzounds.com/item--CELVINT3008 Thanks! Bob __________________ 2009 JCM 2000 Dsl 100 MLB MC412A 1951 Fender Deluxe 2006 Hot Rod Deluxe 1995 Blues Junior 1994 Blues Deville Vox Path Finder 1982 Legend A 30 1980 Gibson Herritage Cherry Sunburst Standard 1980 Explorer White with gold HW 2000 52 Telecaster USA RI 1983 57 Strat LH USA RI 2003 57 Strat USA RI 1960 Silvertone Danelectro 1994 Fender P-bass 68 RI Acoustic guitars....not enough space to list !!!!! Last edited by Gtrman58; 10-17-2009 at 09:58 AM.

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airborne strat Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: FT Benning GA Posts: 26	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? Here is a guy that is really good and sells UK made hard to find Celestions I just got a G8 vintage 8 16 ohm 60 watt speaker...awesome prices and he is really responsive. eBay Seller: bmsanborn: Musical Instruments items on eBay.com Hope that this helps. E

10-17-2009, 06:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
G60_dave Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Wirral UK Posts: 21	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? Whats wrong with China? Your amp was made there so whats the problem?

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American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 1,510	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? I agree, and what's this bull about a Marshall amp made in China? Marshall's factory is and always has been in England. I don't know where that dude thinks they are made in China. Eventually I'm going to ditch all my Celestions for American made speakers. There is a company in the U.S.A. that rivals Celestions and they are for half the price. That company is Warehouse Speakers. Also, the cabinet that you have is not made the same way or out of the same material as the 1960 cabinets. I would try to find an empty one of those and stock it with other speakers rather than put them in the MC412. The cabinet construction has a lot to do with he sound quality as well. You wouldn't put pimped out rims on a Chrysler Reliant would you? __________________ -I'd rather be a good liver than have one...

10-18-2009, 07:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
Gtrman58 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: St. Louis, Mo. Posts: 148	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? Yes, as I stated I know that the 1960 cabs are alot better, but I was just trying to save alittle money by going the speaker swap route. I have nothing against foreign products, England, Japan...if the quality is there I don't have a problem with good stuff at a good price. I buy American first and formost when I can. Most of my experiences with Chinese products have not been good ones. As I said, the move of their production plant all boils down to cutting costs, which is also fine but if its just to pad their wallets more & not pass on the savings to the consumer thats BS! As far as my amp being made in China, I have a few of them, not sure which one G60 dave is refering to. __________________ 2009 JCM 2000 Dsl 100 MLB MC412A 1951 Fender Deluxe 2006 Hot Rod Deluxe 1995 Blues Junior 1994 Blues Deville Vox Path Finder 1982 Legend A 30 1980 Gibson Herritage Cherry Sunburst Standard 1980 Explorer White with gold HW 2000 52 Telecaster USA RI 1983 57 Strat LH USA RI 2003 57 Strat USA RI 1960 Silvertone Danelectro 1994 Fender P-bass 68 RI Acoustic guitars....not enough space to list !!!!!

10-19-2009, 10:07 AM	#9 (permalink)
G60_dave Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Wirral UK Posts: 21	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? Sorry my bad. All cheaper (haze, etc)marshall stuff is made in India. All the items you listed are CONTERFEIT goods. China, whether you like it or now, make products as good as anywhere with, sadly for us, cheaper labour. Only the top end Vox,marshall,fender stuff is made where you want it. All the cheap fender stuff, HRD etc, are built in Mexico/China, all the AC30CC are Chinese. Personally, I play the handwired UK built Laney and Blackstar stuff, and a Blackheart for jamming (which is chinese built). My point is, its not 1980. China are a huge manufacturing nation with the skills to pay the bills. It saddens me, but doesnt surprise me, that all the anti China BS, is from Americans. Steelhorse, I could practically hear star spangled banner playing during your anti China rant about dog food and thongs.

10-19-2009, 12:28 PM	#10 (permalink)
ledfree Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Some where in Marshall Land Posts: 12	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? I think you will find that Blackstar are designed in England, by ex Marshall staff. But are built in the far east (Malaysia I believe) under strict QC regime.

10-19-2009, 12:41 PM	#11 (permalink)
Gtrman58 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: St. Louis, Mo. Posts: 148	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? Personally, I play the handwired UK built Laney and Blackstar stuff, and a Blackheart for jamming (which is chinese built). G60 interesting point. Sooooo you have no problem with counterfeit stuff from china? Or just legit stuff from china? Are you in a cover band? Are you an original artist and if you are if they bootleg your original material, would you have a problem with that and then jump on the ol American anti chinese sentiment? Not really sure the point you are try to make here. Yep its not 1980 any more, the skills they got to pay the bills came from the greed to do the deed. How many millions do you need? Hey...there a song in there somewhere.... __________________ 2009 JCM 2000 Dsl 100 MLB MC412A 1951 Fender Deluxe 2006 Hot Rod Deluxe 1995 Blues Junior 1994 Blues Deville Vox Path Finder 1982 Legend A 30 1980 Gibson Herritage Cherry Sunburst Standard 1980 Explorer White with gold HW 2000 52 Telecaster USA RI 1983 57 Strat LH USA RI 2003 57 Strat USA RI 1960 Silvertone Danelectro 1994 Fender P-bass 68 RI Acoustic guitars....not enough space to list !!!!!

10-19-2009, 01:35 PM	#13 (permalink)
Gtrman58 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: St. Louis, Mo. Posts: 148	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? G60- Dave, I am new to this forum also. I bought my first Marshall superlead in 1973 when I like 15-16 years old. Started playing in groups soon after that. I, like you have seen tons of changes in the music business in the last 30-40 years. Some of it I was ok with, some not. I also like you, really don't have a problem with someone building a better mouse trap, per se, if really we are comparing the same things, apples to apples...etc. If we are talking about the same quality, the same craftsmanship etc...why move production? Because of the pollution standards that your country and my country have...er had? If I was sure its the same quality at a lower price with the same global/human rights/ manufacturing standards that our countries adopted long ago, I like you would have no problem with the product being from Mars... because someone figured out a way to to it better and cheaper, and not putting lives or enviroment at risk. I know a bunch of folks who travel to china weekly and tell me that is simply not the case. If people over there complain about the conditions, they are simply taken away and not heard from again. So, yes the subject matter has taken a heavy turn, but we are not talking about a free society on an even playing field in my book, and people need to start realizing this. __________________ 2009 JCM 2000 Dsl 100 MLB MC412A 1951 Fender Deluxe 2006 Hot Rod Deluxe 1995 Blues Junior 1994 Blues Deville Vox Path Finder 1982 Legend A 30 1980 Gibson Herritage Cherry Sunburst Standard 1980 Explorer White with gold HW 2000 52 Telecaster USA RI 1983 57 Strat LH USA RI 2003 57 Strat USA RI 1960 Silvertone Danelectro 1994 Fender P-bass 68 RI Acoustic guitars....not enough space to list !!!!!

10-19-2009, 03:57 PM	#15 (permalink)
jupiter89 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 38	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? Regardless of what country something was made in, if there has been a trend from a given country to produce shit, it behooves the buyer to think twice about buying from there - why would someone take the chance of getting screwed out of their hard earning money ? Maybe if there is enough boycotting of products from a country having a tendency to make inferior goods, quality control may improve. I have personally purchased a Vox AC4TV practice amp and the Vox 15w Night Train both of which are made in Vietnam. The quality and workmanship are excellent. If I see something else made from there I want, would I hesitate to buy it? No. By the way, even those are great little amps, my Marshalls have their tubes lit up more often.

10-19-2009, 04:08 PM	#16 (permalink)
wkcchampion Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 144	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? My Vox AC30CC2X is made in China. I compared that with a 63 Top boost some years ago, recording with an SM57 in front at various volume (that is gain) settings. The 63 was louder, but much noisier and less definite/fuzzier... so yes, Chiense can made good products if they are supproted by good designs and quality control

10-19-2009, 11:26 PM	#20 (permalink)
luekemeyer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Calif Posts: 439	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? I say we nuke the Chinese (maybe France too).. It us and the British!!! Most of everything that comes from China is crap. The only decent products are made by american companies ran (managed) by americans using chinese labor. I now ask that each of your burn your chinese crap and go buy something else. __________________ --------------------------------------------------- http://www.youtube.com/Earnhardt12345 JCM 2000 DSL 100 & MC412 Cab Crate Blue Voodoo BV-120H and 4x12 Cab ADA 1/2 Cab POD X3 Live VOX ToneLab Tube Screamer Flanger Phase 90 Chorus Crybaby Wah Epi Les Paul Plus Top - Dimarzio Super Distortions Dean Dime Shadow ML - Dimebucker bridge Ibanez RG - Van Halen II paint job - Dimebucker Kramer Aerostar Fender Squire Strat(From Corona Plant employee sale)

10-20-2009, 07:02 AM	#22 (permalink)
Gtrman58 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: St. Louis, Mo. Posts: 148	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? I've got friends in France, Germany & Australia. The out sourcing of jobs. inferior products, tainted human and animal food is a giant problem there as well. If they (china) don't play by the same rules as the other countries, they should not be allowed to play or the greedy industrialists that import the inferior shit from that country should be held responsible.....BOTTOM LINE! __________________ 2009 JCM 2000 Dsl 100 MLB MC412A 1951 Fender Deluxe 2006 Hot Rod Deluxe 1995 Blues Junior 1994 Blues Deville Vox Path Finder 1982 Legend A 30 1980 Gibson Herritage Cherry Sunburst Standard 1980 Explorer White with gold HW 2000 52 Telecaster USA RI 1983 57 Strat LH USA RI 2003 57 Strat USA RI 1960 Silvertone Danelectro 1994 Fender P-bass 68 RI Acoustic guitars....not enough space to list !!!!! Last edited by Gtrman58; 10-20-2009 at 09:52 PM.

10-20-2009, 05:44 PM	#24 (permalink)
American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 1,510	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? Sorry to all you other long time forumites for going off topic. I can't stand idly by when someone talks about my home. I take that stuff to heart. __________________ -I'd rather be a good liver than have one...

10-20-2009, 09:42 PM	#25 (permalink)
Ken Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arlington Heights, IL Posts: 607	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? Um...used 1960 cabs go as cheap as $350; there's one on C/L Chicago now that's in good shape. So trash the crap cabinet; don't waste money buying speakers. $400 will buy a good 1960 cabinet all day long, and if you get lucky you might get a 1982 with G12H30's or G12H80's for less, like I did. Ken

10-20-2009, 09:49 PM	#26 (permalink)
Gtrman58 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: St. Louis, Mo. Posts: 148	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? No problem Viking, I didn't mean to open such a giant can of worms but I am really...REALLY getting sick of seeing EVERYTHING go to china. I do have some stuff (No music gear that I know of ) made in asia but I really try to stay away from it. Some of the gear I have tried in the past (beheringer) was junk ( my opinion) so I sent it back. I am alway open to new things but I expect big bang for my bucks! I think I have found my speaks but it means a road trip to Nashville this weekend so maybe my search is over. After playing on the DSL tonight I might have a new problem. After about an hour of playing I had a loud POP and a kind of fizz....Thought I noticed a slight volume loss but thought it might be the older cord I was using. Played for about another hour and no other pops or fizzes......soooooo we'll see....... __________________ 2009 JCM 2000 Dsl 100 MLB MC412A 1951 Fender Deluxe 2006 Hot Rod Deluxe 1995 Blues Junior 1994 Blues Deville Vox Path Finder 1982 Legend A 30 1980 Gibson Herritage Cherry Sunburst Standard 1980 Explorer White with gold HW 2000 52 Telecaster USA RI 1983 57 Strat LH USA RI 2003 57 Strat USA RI 1960 Silvertone Danelectro 1994 Fender P-bass 68 RI Acoustic guitars....not enough space to list !!!!!

10-20-2009, 10:58 PM	#27 (permalink)
Fcal124 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: S.I., N.Y. Posts: 13	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? What's made in China, should stay in China. They treat their own people like shit, so why would they care about the quality of their exports. I have an Epiphone 56 Goldtop (made in China) and it's the worst piece of shit guitar I own. I'd burn it, but I'm afraid that it'll give off toxic fumes. Things made in China are cheaper because they have kids working 16 hr days building the crap. I don't care if I have to pay more, but I''l stick to my Gibsons, Fenders (Am Std), Mesa Boogies, and Marshalls. Mesa's Celestion spkrs are still made in the UK. You might want to check out their site for their V-30 Black Shadows (Celestions) About $129 each. Don't come crying when your Chinese CRAP blows-up.

10-20-2009, 11:50 PM	#28 (permalink)
American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 1,510	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? I try to buy American first and foremost, but I have no problems supporting quality products from my European brethren, be it the British amplifiers, the German steel and any other high quality items from around the world that are made with pride and honor, not greed and exploitation. __________________ -I'd rather be a good liver than have one...

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