Are all Celestions now made in China??? - Page 4

Australian · 10-29-2009, 12:43 AM

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American Viking · 10-29-2009, 02:04 AM

If by English Soldiers you mean the Australian Government then you are absolutely right. History is history, I don't write it. That specific portion of Australian history stems from acts written into law in the colony of Victoria. I don't care how bloody the founding of your nation is. Was trying to prove a point, guess it didn't work. I'm not embarrassed by my heritage, are you?
Just sounds like sometimes you're thumbing you're nose at the Americans, even though the U.S. isn't reigning down on the Aussie's trying to tell 'em how to live. I've got respect for everyone except for a few countries, and even then, I have full respect the people but not necessarily their empowered government.

If my link didn't answer your question then I don't know how to. Numbers are incredibly skewed by the person or organization giving them. In October of 2007 the Congressional Budget Office estimated the cost of the current war at $2.4 trillion, but it isn't a solid number. Like a bunch of children they have factored in $705 billion in interest under assumptions that the war is being paid for with borrowed money. These numbers are further skewed by the fact that the head of the CBO claims they are a non-partisan group, even though he is appointed by the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the Senate President pro tempore. These are shady numbers coming from a shady group with only politics on their mind.

The National Priorities Project on the other hand states that less than $1 trillion dollars have been allocated for war efforts since 2001 leaving less than $700 billion for Iraq and $230 billion in Afghanistan. I don't know a whole lot about this organization, but most of their staff have backgrounds in philanthropy and education as to where the head staff at CBO have severe political ties.

As of the current year, Joint Chief of Staff member Vice Admiral Steve Stanley, who is the Director of Force Structure, Resources and Assessment, has requested $65 billion for Afghanistan and only $61 billion for Iraq as to where previous years the budget for Iraq has heavily outweighed Afghanistan. These numbers obviously are a request for dough and could have changed in the real world as of late. Especially since the amount of troops is still less in Afghanistan than Iraq but they (IMO) won't leave the Middle East as long as Pakistan and Israel can't kiss and make up. Mind you a lot of this money is being spend on materials, munitions, vehicles and other things that can be reused and resold. U.S. soldiers are among the most heavily armored on their person and the vehicles they are deployed in are to insure their utmost safety so they can perform their job and return home safely. This in turn saves money in the long run as dying isn't cheap for the government and takes to heavy a toll on the loved ones left waiting back home. Therefore, in my mind, the cost of war in physical dollars is irrelevant as nothing is more important as getting the job done and bringing our boys back home safely. You can't put a price on that, and freedom isn't free. Some people are paying with their blood for the safety of others. When it comes down to that, money doesn't mean a god damn thing.

Ok, so let's bring this back to China and we'll explore how little regard they have for their citizens and soldiers. During the Korean War China resorted to human wave attacks as enforced by the Chinese People's Liberation Army which is all military branch's unified under the Communist Party of China, or CCP. These attacks, used exclusively on the offensive were to mass enough bodies together that the defenders would no be able to shoot them all until they would be subsequently overwhelmed. In this process they would be losing a ton of their fighting force, but that doesn't matter. They don't care. This is partly the reason why some war budgets are higher than others, as a nation such as the U.S. for example will never and has never implied such a vicious and despicable tactic. China has also used this during the Third Indo-China War even though the Chinese attackers had military advantage and superior firepower. Why? Because it's cheap. Maybe this is a partial reason why some citizens of the U.S. may not want to support such a wicked government. It is the moral duty of some not to pour money into the hands of tyrants that would value human life as such.

I could continue, but alas I shall resign my thoughts for the morning. In closing, no sir, your question in no way shape of form had a simple answer. The world is not black and white just like our quest for tone.

One more thing... BOOYAH! AV knows a little bit about how things work... Get on the bus kids because I can take you all to school.

-Sic Semper Tyrannis

American Viking · 10-29-2009, 02:47 AM

Now let's abandon this and go back to some amps, shall we?

Australian · 10-29-2009, 02:58 AM

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American Viking · 10-29-2009, 03:03 AM

(inside joke between me and Australian)

Funny how this edit thing works.. lol, I actually saw a few incarnations of the above as I changed mine a few times as well...

Australian · 10-29-2009, 03:18 AM

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Gtrman58 · 10-29-2009, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by American Viking

The name of that company would be Warehouse speakers. They make versions of the Greenback, Vintage 30, G12T-75 and much more. The price tag is about half of a Celestion and I haven't heard any bad reviews.

Warehouse Guitar Speakers

Hey Viking, do you own or have you played through these speakers? They look interesting and hey that price sure as heck fits the bill!! The webbers sound like they might be a good alternative as well. Anyone have any experience with any of these bad boys?

B

Hollowbody · 10-29-2009, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Australian

That was the English soldiers who did that. Sorry dude I dont want to make you look stupid, but youre giving people the bum steer with that one. Know your history well if you want to challenge well read people, sad, you must have done so much internet Googling for that lame picture too. LOL!!!!

And answer my question, stop being so defensive. i'm asking a simple question: How much was spent?

...well read??

Australian · 10-29-2009, 12:32 PM

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American Viking · 10-29-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gtrman58

Hey Viking, do you own or have you played through these speakers? They look interesting and hey that price sure as heck fits the bill!! The webbers sound like they might be a good alternative as well. Anyone have any experience with any of these bad boys?

B

So far no, I have not played through any Warehouse speakers. I have heard some sound clips, and from what I could tell they were fine but as far as a shootout between them and the Celestions I haven't heard that either. From other forums people have said they owned both and some preferred the Warehouse over the Celestions, but no one said anything negative about either.

I'll have to look into the Webber stuff. I've never looked at their speakers, I only know about the bias tools and attenuators.

Hollowbody · 10-29-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Australian

Yes we have schools here hollow. There is more than Kangaroos hopping around everywhere in australia the humans here know how to read ..lol.

Anyway this argument has gone as far as it can go. And theres no hard feelings. So it preety cool. Back to making music!

Is that an attempt at sarcasm?

Review all your posts in this thread and then try to re-evaluate the statement, "well read". Merely attending school will not develop a cognizant individual.

Is this an example of your preferred method of yielding out of a controversy once you are proven inept, to claim the dialog has reached it's limits?

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Originally Posted by Australian

Who cares about history

Bumbass.

Yeah, no hard feelings.

Australian · 10-29-2009, 04:56 PM

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Hollowbody · 10-29-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Australian

Texans are known to love their Tequila. We all know that you hollowbody, love Tequila a little too much. ha ha.

My point proven again.

Australian · 10-29-2009, 09:21 PM

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Hollowbody · 10-29-2009, 10:30 PM

You keep changing your posts.

Hollowbody · 10-29-2009, 10:32 PM

Wow, quoting Sabbath.

That was a good album back in the day, I have mellowed a bit.

That song is a good example of your perception and is a derivative of political rhetoric.

Hollowbody · 10-29-2009, 10:34 PM

You keep changing your posts, it is as difficult as usual to communicate with you.

Hollowbody · 10-29-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Australian

Youre good at proving points hollowbody. Go and Strike a few Tritones on your Epiphone SG and read these lyrics

A song dedicated to hollowbody:

Generals gathered in their masses,
just like witches at black masses.
Evil minds that plot destruction,
sorcerers of death's construction.
In the fields the bodies burning,
as the war machine keeps turning.
Death and hatred to mankind,
poisoning their brainwashed minds.
Oh lord, yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away.
They only started the war.
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor, yeah.

Time will tell on their power minds,
making war just for fun.
Treating people just like pawns in chess,
wait till their judgement day comes, yeah.

Now in darkness world stops turning,
ashes where the bodies burning.
No more War Pigs have the power,
Hand of God has struck the hour.
Day of judgement, God is calling,
on their knees the war pigs crawling.
Begging mercies for their sins,
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings.
Oh lord, yeah!

I seriously don't mean to offend, I swear. But what is your retention level?
The reason I ask is if you read carefully the posts I have made in this thread, and then sit, and think, and calm yourself, and read and comprehend these lyrics you will see that they are not in agreement or of the same spirit.

You are giving bobo a run for his money.

Australian · 10-29-2009, 10:40 PM

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Hollowbody · 10-29-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Australian

Now youre slamming Ozzy....its a sad day for rock music when Hollowbody is being nothing but blasphemous to Ozzy.

Who has the crimes? Ozzy or the Politician. really...dont be biased. Honestly who?

The politician.

And I wasn't slamming Ozzy.

I just don't think that song describes me.

Australian · 10-29-2009, 10:51 PM

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Hollowbody · 10-29-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Australian

With the combined insult of seeing Daileys Kangroo (Kangaroo) cigarette packet or whatever it was and Hollowbodys inference that there are no schools in Australia.
I can only assume that you are both illiterate, because up to date information of USA's spending is available, and up to date information is available about Australia is available.
And your cutting and pasting Wikapedia articles are a dead give away, in regards to illiteracy.

None of it really matters. You know I didn't infer anything, you read into it. I also clarified the question in a later post.

fuck off

Australian · 10-29-2009, 11:06 PM

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Hollowbody · 10-29-2009, 11:08 PM

Yet again that also makes SO much sense, so...

OK, bye.

Australian · 10-29-2009, 11:12 PM

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thrawn86 · 10-30-2009, 06:46 PM

"Can't we all just....get along?"

-Rodney King, failed country musician

Australian · 10-30-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by thrawn86

"Can't we all just....get along?"

-Rodney King, failed country musician

Of course we can! We're musicians.

Australian · 10-30-2009, 07:06 PM

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Hollowbody · 11-01-2009, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thrawn86

"Can't we all just....get along?"

-Rodney King, failed country musician

Yeah, my apologies, if they give me the ax for that I would probably deserve it. I finally discovered the ignore function.

Live and learn,
peace.

thrawn86 · 11-01-2009, 04:49 PM

What's the ignore function? I haven't got to the point of needing to use it....

10-29-2009, 12:43 AM	#91 (permalink)
Australian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Outback Posts: 299	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? "Classified Information" __________________ AMPS:JVM410h;JVM410c;JVM205h;RR1959;JCM800 2203(1982);JCM800 2205(1989). Cabs:JCM900 1960;JCM800 1960;1960AHW;1960Classic;1960BW; JCM800 1936 v30's;1936 G12T-75's. Last edited by Australian; 10-30-2009 at 05:10 PM.

10-29-2009, 02:04 AM	#92 (permalink)
American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 2,025	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? If by *English Soldiers* you mean the Australian Government then you are absolutely right. History is history, I don't write it. That specific portion of Australian history stems from acts written into law in the colony of Victoria. I don't care how bloody the founding of your nation is. Was trying to prove a point, guess it didn't work. I'm not embarrassed by my heritage, are you? Just sounds like sometimes you're thumbing you're nose at the Americans, even though the U.S. isn't reigning down on the Aussie's trying to tell 'em how to live. I've got respect for everyone except for a few countries, and even then, I have full respect the people but not necessarily their empowered government. If my link didn't answer your question then I don't know how to. Numbers are incredibly skewed by the person or organization giving them. In October of 2007 the Congressional Budget Office estimated the cost of the current war at $2.4 trillion, but it isn't a solid number. Like a bunch of children they have factored in $705 billion in interest under assumptions that the war is being paid for with borrowed money. These numbers are further skewed by the fact that the head of the CBO claims they are a non-partisan group, even though he is appointed by the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the Senate President pro tempore. These are shady numbers coming from a shady group with only politics on their mind. The National Priorities Project on the other hand states that less than $1 trillion dollars have been allocated for war efforts since 2001 leaving less than $700 billion for Iraq and $230 billion in Afghanistan. I don't know a whole lot about this organization, but most of their staff have backgrounds in philanthropy and education as to where the head staff at CBO have severe political ties. As of the current year, Joint Chief of Staff member Vice Admiral Steve Stanley, who is the Director of Force Structure, Resources and Assessment, has requested $65 billion for Afghanistan and only $61 billion for Iraq as to where previous years the budget for Iraq has heavily outweighed Afghanistan. These numbers obviously are a request for dough and could have changed in the real world as of late. Especially since the amount of troops is still less in Afghanistan than Iraq but they (IMO) won't leave the Middle East as long as Pakistan and Israel can't kiss and make up. Mind you a lot of this money is being spend on materials, munitions, vehicles and other things that can be reused and resold. U.S. soldiers are among the most heavily armored on their person and the vehicles they are deployed in are to insure their utmost safety so they can perform their job and return home safely. This in turn saves money in the long run as dying isn't cheap for the government and takes to heavy a toll on the loved ones left waiting back home. Therefore, in my mind, the cost of war in physical dollars is irrelevant as nothing is more important as getting the job done and bringing our boys back home safely. You can't put a price on that, and freedom isn't free. Some people are paying with their blood for the safety of others. When it comes down to that, money doesn't mean a god damn thing. Ok, so let's bring this back to China and we'll explore how little regard they have for their citizens and soldiers. During the Korean War China resorted to human wave attacks as enforced by the Chinese People's Liberation Army which is all military branch's unified under the Communist Party of China, or CCP. These attacks, used exclusively on the offensive were to mass enough bodies together that the defenders would no be able to shoot them all until they would be subsequently overwhelmed. In this process they would be losing a ton of their fighting force, but that doesn't matter. They don't care. This is partly the reason why some war budgets are higher than others, as a nation such as the U.S. for example will never and has never implied such a vicious and despicable tactic. China has also used this during the Third Indo-China War even though the Chinese attackers had military advantage and superior firepower. Why? Because it's cheap. Maybe this is a partial reason why some citizens of the U.S. may not want to support such a wicked government. It is the moral duty of some not to pour money into the hands of tyrants that would value human life as such. I could continue, but alas I shall resign my thoughts for the morning. In closing, no sir, your question in no way shape of form had a simple answer. The world is not black and white just like our quest for tone. One more thing... BOOYAH! AV knows a little bit about how things work... Get on the bus kids because I can take you all to school. -Sic Semper Tyrannis __________________ Transformers inside amplifiers were not originally designed to be in there, and the tube was not created for the guitar amp. ANY recommended idle current is a guideline and in no way a necessary requirement. There is no skeleton key for any tube amp.

10-29-2009, 02:47 AM	#93 (permalink)
American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 2,025	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? Now let's abandon this and go back to some amps, shall we? __________________ Transformers inside amplifiers were not originally designed to be in there, and the tube was not created for the guitar amp. ANY recommended idle current is a guideline and in no way a necessary requirement. There is no skeleton key for any tube amp.

10-29-2009, 02:58 AM	#94 (permalink)
Australian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Outback Posts: 299	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? "Classified Information" __________________ AMPS:JVM410h;JVM410c;JVM205h;RR1959;JCM800 2203(1982);JCM800 2205(1989). Cabs:JCM900 1960;JCM800 1960;1960AHW;1960Classic;1960BW; JCM800 1936 v30's;1936 G12T-75's. Last edited by Australian; 10-30-2009 at 05:11 PM.

10-29-2009, 03:03 AM	#95 (permalink)
American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 2,025	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? (inside joke between me and Australian) Funny how this edit thing works.. lol, I actually saw a few incarnations of the above as I changed mine a few times as well... __________________ Transformers inside amplifiers were not originally designed to be in there, and the tube was not created for the guitar amp. ANY recommended idle current is a guideline and in no way a necessary requirement. There is no skeleton key for any tube amp.

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10-29-2009, 03:18 AM	#96 (permalink)
Australian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Outback Posts: 299	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? "Classified Information" __________________ AMPS:JVM410h;JVM410c;JVM205h;RR1959;JCM800 2203(1982);JCM800 2205(1989). Cabs:JCM900 1960;JCM800 1960;1960AHW;1960Classic;1960BW; JCM800 1936 v30's;1936 G12T-75's. Last edited by Australian; 10-30-2009 at 05:10 PM.

10-29-2009, 12:32 PM	#99 (permalink)
Australian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Outback Posts: 299	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? "Classified Information" __________________ AMPS:JVM410h;JVM410c;JVM205h;RR1959;JCM800 2203(1982);JCM800 2205(1989). Cabs:JCM900 1960;JCM800 1960;1960AHW;1960Classic;1960BW; JCM800 1936 v30's;1936 G12T-75's. Last edited by Australian; 10-30-2009 at 05:09 PM.

10-29-2009, 04:56 PM	#102 (permalink)
Australian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Outback Posts: 299	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? "Classified Information" __________________ AMPS:JVM410h;JVM410c;JVM205h;RR1959;JCM800 2203(1982);JCM800 2205(1989). Cabs:JCM900 1960;JCM800 1960;1960AHW;1960Classic;1960BW; JCM800 1936 v30's;1936 G12T-75's. Last edited by Australian; 10-30-2009 at 05:08 PM.

10-29-2009, 09:21 PM	#104 (permalink)
Australian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Outback Posts: 299	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? "Classified Information" __________________ AMPS:JVM410h;JVM410c;JVM205h;RR1959;JCM800 2203(1982);JCM800 2205(1989). Cabs:JCM900 1960;JCM800 1960;1960AHW;1960Classic;1960BW; JCM800 1936 v30's;1936 G12T-75's. Last edited by Australian; 10-30-2009 at 05:09 PM.

10-29-2009, 10:30 PM	#105 (permalink)
Hollowbody Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Tulsa / Northern Texas. Posts: 322	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? You keep changing your posts.

10-29-2009, 10:32 PM	#106 (permalink)
Hollowbody Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Tulsa / Northern Texas. Posts: 322	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? Wow, quoting Sabbath. That was a good album back in the day, I have mellowed a bit. That song is a good example of your perception and is a derivative of political rhetoric.

10-29-2009, 10:34 PM	#107 (permalink)
Hollowbody Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Tulsa / Northern Texas. Posts: 322	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? You keep changing your posts, it is as difficult as usual to communicate with you. Last edited by Hollowbody; 10-29-2009 at 10:48 PM. Reason: can't keep up with the genius

10-29-2009, 10:40 PM	#109 (permalink)
Australian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Outback Posts: 299	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? "Classified Information" __________________ AMPS:JVM410h;JVM410c;JVM205h;RR1959;JCM800 2203(1982);JCM800 2205(1989). Cabs:JCM900 1960;JCM800 1960;1960AHW;1960Classic;1960BW; JCM800 1936 v30's;1936 G12T-75's. Last edited by Australian; 10-30-2009 at 05:07 PM.

10-29-2009, 10:51 PM	#111 (permalink)
Australian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Outback Posts: 299	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? "classified information" __________________ AMPS:JVM410h;JVM410c;JVM205h;RR1959;JCM800 2203(1982);JCM800 2205(1989). Cabs:JCM900 1960;JCM800 1960;1960AHW;1960Classic;1960BW; JCM800 1936 v30's;1936 G12T-75's. Last edited by Australian; 10-30-2009 at 05:06 PM.

10-29-2009, 11:06 PM	#113 (permalink)
Australian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Outback Posts: 299	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? "classified information" __________________ AMPS:JVM410h;JVM410c;JVM205h;RR1959;JCM800 2203(1982);JCM800 2205(1989). Cabs:JCM900 1960;JCM800 1960;1960AHW;1960Classic;1960BW; JCM800 1936 v30's;1936 G12T-75's. Last edited by Australian; 10-30-2009 at 05:05 PM.

10-29-2009, 11:08 PM	#114 (permalink)
Hollowbody Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Tulsa / Northern Texas. Posts: 322	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? Yet again that also makes SO much sense, so... OK, bye.

10-29-2009, 11:12 PM	#115 (permalink)
Australian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Outback Posts: 299	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? "classified information" __________________ AMPS:JVM410h;JVM410c;JVM205h;RR1959;JCM800 2203(1982);JCM800 2205(1989). Cabs:JCM900 1960;JCM800 1960;1960AHW;1960Classic;1960BW; JCM800 1936 v30's;1936 G12T-75's. Last edited by Australian; 10-30-2009 at 05:06 PM.

10-30-2009, 07:06 PM	#118 (permalink)
Australian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Outback Posts: 299	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? "Classified information" __________________ AMPS:JVM410h;JVM410c;JVM205h;RR1959;JCM800 2203(1982);JCM800 2205(1989). Cabs:JCM900 1960;JCM800 1960;1960AHW;1960Classic;1960BW; JCM800 1936 v30's;1936 G12T-75's.

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