Are all Celestions now made in China??? - Page 3

thrawn86 · 10-25-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollowbody

I agree, people everywhere are equal and should be treated equally. I would have no problem with Celestion speakers being made in China if I knew they were not going to turn out like so many other products being made there.

+2.

These are the two best things said since the topic went haywire. Back to speakers, anyone?
AV cited in a different thread a company which makes clones for Greenbacks and Vintage speakers, ones that sound very good for far less $$....anyone recall?

D.Dailey · 10-25-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Gtrman58

Recently got into a DSL 100 MLB half stack. The cab was basicly free. Starting to look around for replacement speakers. I know, I would be better off replacing the whole MC412A cab with a nice 1960A or av....but my train of thought is this cab is gonna get trashed anyway so swap out the speaks...

My question is, I am pretty much leaning toward the vintage 30's or G12T-75's.... are all these babies now made in China? If so, what are my other options? Zzounds is pretty upfront with listing place of origin and I really appreciate that, but if I am going to pay top dollar I would like to buy a Brittish or American speaker. Its one thing to buy a chinese Vintage 30 for 39.95, but thats not the case. They are top dollar.

Is it no longer possible to get a non chinese vintage 30 or G12T-75 anymore?
No offense to anyone, but if they take a 149.00 speaker thats being produced in England, paying someone a decent living wage to make it, then pull production there and send it somewhere that pays slave wages....why the heck aren't they passing that saving on to the consumer? Because Mr. CEO who was making 6 million a year last year can make 20 million this year? NO THANKS!
Whats this world coming to??

Celestion Vintage 30 from zZounds.com

Thanks!

Bob

I beleive the Origional Post Hit It On The Head...
I know from my experience here, our landfills are bursting with Cheep Junk..
Haveing to pay a Premium Price for a Substandard Product is wrong..
All to often it ends just up in the trash..
Take a good look at your landfill,, if your useing them..
Some have turned into recycleing trash..
That in itself is interesting.

YouTube - Electronic Waste in Ghana

Would hate myself to see what was once a Great Company like Celestion, or Marshall, go down the tubes like so many others..
But it sure may be a possibility..
For now, myself, I will just use the 12 or so I bought between 1975 and 2000..

Hollowbody · 10-25-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by thrawn86

+2.
Back to speakers, anyone?

Yes.

I know what company you are referring to. It is in the History folder on the PC at work, I can look Monday but you may all ready have it by then.

...oops, I'm so busted.

airborne strat · 10-25-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Australian

Surely there are better things to spend the tax payers money on than tanks and fighter planes.

Sir,
I disagree with you..and the reason why is this...when society gets the complacent attitude such as yours...and turns swords into plowshares as you would...the wolf comes to the door and you are left with no way to defend what is dear to you....that is what men like me do...we protect the weak and those unable to defend themselves.

American Viking · 10-25-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by thrawn86

+2.

These are the two best things said since the topic went haywire. Back to speakers, anyone?
AV cited in a different thread a company which makes clones for Greenbacks and Vintage speakers, ones that sound very good for far less $$....anyone recall?

The name of that company would be Warehouse speakers. They make versions of the Greenback, Vintage 30, G12T-75 and much more. The price tag is about half of a Celestion and I haven't heard any bad reviews.

http://warehousespeakers.com/

Australian · 10-25-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by airborne strat

Sir,
I disagree with you..and the reason why is this...when society gets the complacent attitude such as yours...and turns swords into plowshares as you would...the wolf comes to the door and you are left with no way to defend what is dear to you....that is what men like me do...we protect the weak and those unable to defend themselves.

I didnt say that any particular person or country is to blame. I couldnt care less about a so-called Democracy or politics . I'm just saying that war doesn't work. I remember looking at a pie graph at school some years ago which showed Government spending. And 70% was on the Military. Ha ha ha its just laughable. Its probably more now.
A network of propaganda-thats all it is.

Oh and well done to American viking. Hes seems to be the only one who can keep to the original topic. If I needed a good General he'd be my first pick.

Hollowbody · 10-26-2009, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Australian

I remember looking at a pie graph at school some years ago which showed Government spending.

really?

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Originally Posted by Australian

Ha ha ha its just laughable. Its probably more now.A network of propaganda-thats all it is.

hmmm.

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Originally Posted by Australian

Oh and well done to American viking. Hes seems to be the only one who can keep to the original topic. If I needed a good General he'd be my first pick.

did you read any of the other posts? Look at what American Viking just quoted.

Australian · 10-26-2009, 08:26 AM

Quote: I remember looking at a pie graph at school some years ago which showed Government spending. And 70% was on the Military. Ha ha ha its just laughable. Its probably more now.
A network of propaganda-thats all it is.

You missed the important part in your quote Hollowbody its in bold font above.

Hollowbody · 10-26-2009, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Australian

Quote: I remember looking at a pie graph at school some years ago which showed Government spending. And 70% was on the Military. Ha ha ha its just laughable. Its probably more now.
A network of propaganda-thats all it is.

You missed the important part in your quote Hollowbody its in bold font above.

The important part is what they taught you in school, and why.

Australian · 10-26-2009, 09:32 AM

No it wasnt something that I studied in class. I had studied it out of interest in the school library. If you own a set of Worldbook encyclopedias you check it for yourself.

Hollowbody · 10-26-2009, 12:00 PM

I will.

What years were they referring to?

Australian · 10-26-2009, 12:07 PM

It was at primary school. But any year will do. I'm sure they havn't decreased Military spending , but increased.
The ones that I saw it in were 1985 maybe.

Hollowbody · 10-26-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Australian

It was at primary school. But any year will do. I'm sure they havn't decreased Military spending , but increased.
The ones that I saw it in were 1985 maybe.

No, there are way too many variables involved. The decade, peace or wartime, the policy of allies and countries who are a threat (often by the admission of their own government leaders), the available tax revenue per capita, who was in office etc, etc.

I was enlisted in the U.S Army Infantry from '85 to '89.

A few things changed during that time and even more afterwards. I took an oath to defend my country not just kill people. None of my buddies were anxious for a war to break out but we stayed ready. I also never even heard a dumbass politician say he wanted the country to go to war, it was always about defense.

D.Dailey · 10-26-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Australian

It was at primary school. But any year will do. I'm sure they havn't decreased Military spending , but increased.
The ones that I saw it in were 1985 maybe.

Maybe your schools could use some updated information???

A Brief Introduction to the Federal Budget

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy...y10-newera.pdf

Australian · 10-26-2009, 11:07 PM

It was 1985 when I saw it and the Encyclopedias were the 1985 edition. Thats pretty up to date dont you think? Schools have to keep up to date with that sort of thing.

One question to save us alot of time here: How much did the war on Iraq and Afghanistan cost America?

If you have an up to date figure on military expenditure for that period it would be greatly appreciated.

American Viking · 10-26-2009, 11:54 PM

No cost that we aren't willing to bare.

American Viking · 10-27-2009, 12:27 AM

The rest of the world may not agree with action. Killing for defense is still killing, but I'm not going to die from lack of defense. Conquerors and winners write the history. How much did the Christians spend on blood sucking the Roman Empire, The Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition, are you one of them?

You, like myself are living in a country built on a foundation of bloodshed and genocide. Are you going to lay your life down from guilt of the Stolen Generations? Or are you going to live pridefully despite the atrocities that provided you with your life and liberty? Life is conflict, a struggle to survive. War births nations, and for others to be victorious, some must lose. Brain nor brawn do not determine the outcome of conflict, it is who is prepared to make choices and take action that reflect indifference to life and death. Survival of the fittest and I intend to live and carry my bloodline much, much longer.

hmmmm.... Maybe it is best everyone does not think like I do... but my name is Viking, not Flower Child.

Hell, what do I know anyway. I'm just a musician. All this other stuff belongs in a political forum.

YouTube - Conan the Barbarian - What is best in life?

American Viking · 10-27-2009, 01:52 AM

this should lighten the mood

YouTube - WORST SINGER IN HISTORY PT1b(Chule-Aces high-Director´s Cut)

thrawn86 · 10-27-2009, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by American Viking

this should lighten the mood

YouTube - WORST SINGER IN HISTORY PT1b(Chule-Aces high-Director´s Cut)

Hey thanx for getting back to me with the Warehouse link, bro.

BTW....this one's better:

YouTube - WORST SINGER IN HISTORY PT2 (Whitesnake Cover)

IN THE STILL OF THE NIIIIIIIIGHT!!!!

Australian · 10-27-2009, 02:59 AM

But I just asked if anyone knows how much was spent? Thats all.
Not why the spending is justified. Has anyone done the figures yet?

Hollowbody · 10-27-2009, 11:17 AM

Maiden rules, I have loved that song forever, and now...
can't get that dudes voice out of my head.

I always thought that Weber speakers were a great option. They make a killer version of the Celestion Blue for less, and they are American made. Also Weber can make them to order for higher wattage. They also make good ceramic mags if you prefer that.

I have a Celestion Blue and I love it but at only 15 watts it has limited use with my Dr. Z amp. Of course there is the Gold 50 watt ($$$), and as you know all those are made in England.

Also, Kendrick makes incredible speakers. Not a huge variety but still great. I am going to get a couple of Kendrick brown frame spkrs.

American Viking · 10-27-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by thrawn86

Hey thanx for getting back to me with the Warehouse link, bro.

BTW....this one's better:

YouTube - WORST SINGER IN HISTORY PT2 (Whitesnake Cover)

IN THE STILL OF THE NIIIIIIIIGHT!!!!

Dude, I can't stop laughing at this shit. I don't know why this is so funny.

American Viking · 10-27-2009, 02:38 PM

Me and my buds used to get really wasted and I could never get enough of this guy. I still get wasted, oops.

YouTube - Dokaka Angel of Death

topic is gone

Australian · 10-27-2009, 10:46 PM

"Classified Information"

American Viking · 10-27-2009, 11:05 PM

wut?

Bret138 · 10-27-2009, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Australian

Did you think it was funny because the singers are Middle Eastern? thats not very funny if you are.

HAHA i think he thought the guy had a middle eastern accent...when infact he just sounds like that because the guy is deaf

(not laughing at the fact he's deaf btw)

Buggs.Crosby · 10-28-2009, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Australian

Did you think it was funny because the singers are Middle Eastern? thats not very funny if you are.

No...i found it funny because of the chick trying not to fall out of her chair

American Viking · 10-28-2009, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Australian

Did you think it was funny because the singers are Middle Eastern? thats not very funny if you are.

The funny singer and his friend are South American... from Argentina to be exact.

Australian · 10-28-2009, 07:26 AM

"Classified Information"

American Viking · 10-28-2009, 03:03 PM

http://costofwar.com/

Now this will give the hippies something to chew on for a while.

How much was spent on stealing Aboriginal babies? lols

A towel is not a hat.

.

10-26-2009, 08:26 AM	#68 (permalink)
Australian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Outback Posts: 172	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? Quote: I remember looking at a pie graph at school some years ago which showed Government spending. And 70% was on the Military. Ha ha ha its just laughable. Its probably more now. A network of propaganda-thats all it is. You missed the important part in your quote Hollowbody its in bold font above. __________________ 410h;410c;205h;RR1959;2203;2205. JCM 900 1960;JCM800 1960;1960AHW; 1960Classic;1960BW; JCM800 1936 v30's;1936 G12T-75'3.

10-26-2009, 09:32 AM	#70 (permalink)
Australian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Outback Posts: 172	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? No it wasnt something that I studied in class. I had studied it out of interest in the school library. If you own a set of Worldbook encyclopedias you check it for yourself. __________________ 410h;410c;205h;RR1959;2203;2205. JCM 900 1960;JCM800 1960;1960AHW; 1960Classic;1960BW; JCM800 1936 v30's;1936 G12T-75'3.

10-26-2009, 12:00 PM	#71 (permalink)
Hollowbody Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Tulsa / Northern Texas. Posts: 271	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? I will. What years were they referring to?

10-26-2009, 12:07 PM	#72 (permalink)
Australian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Outback Posts: 172	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? It was at primary school. But any year will do. I'm sure they havn't decreased Military spending , but increased. The ones that I saw it in were 1985 maybe. __________________ 410h;410c;205h;RR1959;2203;2205. JCM 900 1960;JCM800 1960;1960AHW; 1960Classic;1960BW; JCM800 1936 v30's;1936 G12T-75'3.

10-26-2009, 11:07 PM	#75 (permalink)
Australian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Outback Posts: 172	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? It was 1985 when I saw it and the Encyclopedias were the 1985 edition. Thats pretty up to date dont you think? Schools have to keep up to date with that sort of thing. One question to save us alot of time here: How much did the war on Iraq and Afghanistan cost America? If you have an up to date figure on military expenditure for that period it would be greatly appreciated. __________________ 410h;410c;205h;RR1959;2203;2205. JCM 900 1960;JCM800 1960;1960AHW; 1960Classic;1960BW; JCM800 1936 v30's;1936 G12T-75'3.

10-26-2009, 11:54 PM	#76 (permalink)
American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 1,510	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? No cost that we aren't willing to bare. __________________ -I'd rather be a good liver than have one...

10-27-2009, 02:59 AM	#80 (permalink)
Australian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Outback Posts: 172	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? But I just asked if anyone knows how much was spent? Thats all. Not why the spending is justified. Has anyone done the figures yet? __________________ 410h;410c;205h;RR1959;2203;2205. JCM 900 1960;JCM800 1960;1960AHW; 1960Classic;1960BW; JCM800 1936 v30's;1936 G12T-75'3.

10-27-2009, 11:17 AM	#81 (permalink)
Hollowbody Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Tulsa / Northern Texas. Posts: 271	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? Maiden rules, I have loved that song forever, and now... can't get that dudes voice out of my head. I always thought that Weber speakers were a great option. They make a killer version of the Celestion Blue for less, and they are American made. Also Weber can make them to order for higher wattage. They also make good ceramic mags if you prefer that. I have a Celestion Blue and I love it but at only 15 watts it has limited use with my Dr. Z amp. Of course there is the Gold 50 watt ($$$), and as you know all those are made in England. Also, Kendrick makes incredible speakers. Not a huge variety but still great. I am going to get a couple of Kendrick brown frame spkrs.

10-27-2009, 10:46 PM	#84 (permalink)
Australian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Outback Posts: 172	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? "Classified Information" __________________ 410h;410c;205h;RR1959;2203;2205. JCM 900 1960;JCM800 1960;1960AHW; 1960Classic;1960BW; JCM800 1936 v30's;1936 G12T-75'3. Last edited by Australian; 10-30-2009 at 08:09 PM.

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American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 1,510	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? wut? __________________ -I'd rather be a good liver than have one...

10-28-2009, 07:26 AM	#89 (permalink)
Australian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Outback Posts: 172	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? "Classified Information" __________________ 410h;410c;205h;RR1959;2203;2205. JCM 900 1960;JCM800 1960;1960AHW; 1960Classic;1960BW; JCM800 1936 v30's;1936 G12T-75'3. Last edited by Australian; 10-30-2009 at 08:09 PM.

10-28-2009, 03:03 PM	#90 (permalink)
American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 1,510	Re: Are all Celestions now made in China??? http://costofwar.com/ Now this will give the hippies something to chew on for a while. How much was spent on stealing Aboriginal babies? lols *A towel is not a hat.* . __________________ -I'd rather be a good liver than have one...

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