American Viking

Sure thing, I agree with you to an extent, but on the contrary when the rest of the world says America or American they are referring to the United States. I don't ever hear Canadians calling themselves Americans or saying they live in America. Same goes for Mexico and Mexicans. Seriously, do you ever hear of Russians being called Asians or refer to themselves as Asians? The standard of what is called the Asian race does not include the White and Slavic inhabitants of the Russian Federation.
I own guitars from the U.S. and Canada, and would almost rather buy a Strat made in Mexico by Mexicans rather than a Strat made in the U.S. by Mexicans. Either way, it's all North America.

BTW, shouldn't Canadians want to be called Americans, seeing as how Canada is our 51st state? just kidding!!!

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Hollowbody

Negative, the failure of capitalism is greed. And the more people who can be made to think that the foundation of capitalism is greed, the more of an achievement it is for those who wish to increase communism and socialism.

The failure of any barter, exchange or monetary system is greed.

I have no problem purchasing goods from foreign countries, but it has to be based on mutual respect and trust.

American Viking

+1

The foundation of capitalism was to create a free and open market and to drive competition by building the best and most efficient product, as seen flourishing during the Industrial Revolution of the United States. Greed driving any system is wrong and everyone loses.

Back to the original topic, how does one tell where their Celestions are made? I know I have that black and white labeled G12T-75 and it does not specify a place of origin. Are these Chinese or English? I'm not too terribly concerned as I want to eventually replace them with another brand altogether.

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javier pintos

IIRC the V30´s do have the made in china stamped on the box

from an email received by the doc at celestion..

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Subject: RE: Guitar Enquiry
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:58:47 +0100
From: drdecibel@celestion.com
To: japs2112@hotmail.com

Celestion speakers are built in our own factory in China or at our factory in England. I can’t comment on customer specials but for regular Celestion speakers the majority are built in China but low running models like the Heritage and Alnico’s are built in the UK.
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ANd from their web site


Alongside R&D, Sales and Marketing, and extensive warehousing facilities, the new Celestion plant also houses an advanced manufacturing facility for the production of the company’s premium, low volume products, and for sampling new designs. Like many in the musical equipment and professional audio industries, a significant proportion of Celestion production takes place offshore to ensure the competitive pricing of the finished product. But as others are just setting out to develop new manufacturing partnerships, Celestion is entering the tenth year of successful loudspeaker production at its own factory in China

Gtrman58

From what I have been hearing and seeing here and there it sounds like most of their speakers are going to be produced there. Hope I am wrong.

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Fcal124

Like I said in an earlier post. If you want V30's or C90's(Lead 80's) that are still made in the UK. Mesa sells them on their website 8ohm or 16ohm.
They are made special for Mesa by Celestion.

Whenever anyone refers to Americans, they are talking about the USA. Wether they love us or hate us.
If you called Canadiens "Americans" they would smack you with a hockey stick.

Bret138

and i do realize that..but its not technically correct..
i like to blame the real life equivilants of the characters in this little clip

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Gtrman58

Thanks for the info Fcal! If I don't go the cab route I will check mesa out!

B

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Vox Path Finder
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1980 Explorer White with gold HW
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1983 57 Strat LH USA RI
2003 57 Strat USA RI
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Buggs.Crosby

Here is my 2 cents
my hardware is always Schaller (German)...the best that there is
my speakers are always (British)...the best that there is
my fiddles are always (American) mostly made by me....the best i can get
my amps are always (British) the best there is for me...unless i can find a Boogie C+ that i could afford.....
i will also buy some Canadian stuff (my old Lado) some Japanese like my sons Ibanez
the rest is pure crap in my opinion....case in point...the Floyd Rose
would you rather have "Real" hardened steel or cheap pot metal crap?
and as long as i have kids i will never buy crap from China that may hurt them
i'm also not into copyright infringement like the Chinese Les Paul's....think of how many people will buy one thinking it's the real deal then find out it's a fake?....till China changes it's ways they will never see my cash...i will gladly overpay to keep my family safe

Fcal124

+1 Buggs
Like I said. I have one Epiphone made in China. What a piece of CRAP! If I had a fireplace, this guitar's life would be in danger. It's an LP 56 Goldtop, so I use it for Wall Art.
My other guitars are all Gibson Custom Shop, Partscasters (all Fender Am Std.necks and American or German hardware), or Guild.
Oh, I have one Japanese ESP Ltd. Couldn't resist the price.
My amps are all Mesa/Boogie or Marshall.
Bottom Line......You get what you pay for.

airborne strat

AV,
My brother..as a Soldier in our Army,,,never ever apologize for pride in this great country!! As a two war vet...I am proud of the USA and if someone has a problem with it......I gave you the right to complain and bitch....what have you done???

Gtrman58

Amen Airbourne !!!!! More people need to remember this.

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1983 57 Strat LH USA RI
2003 57 Strat USA RI
1960 Silvertone Danelectro
1994 Fender P-bass 68 RI
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Australian

War has a purpose, if youre a soldier, but it achieves nothing......it just disposes of a few 1000 people, which is all it achieves.

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D.Dailey

Amasing Anology Austrailian..
I do wonder if your parents could have said the same thing to my Dad, as he was fighting his way threw the Solomons?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Islands

My Son, is the last full body on the left..
Popendeta New Guiniea

Being thanked for buiding them a school and civic center.

He did his scuba certifacation in Truuk Lagoon. http://www.visit-fsm.org/chuuk/

http://www.geocities.com/danimal_57/hailstorm.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Hailstorm

And did set on the deck of a Japanese Dystoyer, my dad probebly had a hand in sinking..

A fathers day gift from my son..


http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=39685

In his short 23 years,, he has helped and touched the lives of over 200,000 people..
What have you done???
Construimus Batuimus!
http://www.jcs-group.com/military/navy/seabees.html

Sir Don

Kangroo?

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D.Dailey

Kan-Groo!
Can-Do!

In there Battalions History.
Some of there first deployments were in your part of the Universe..
They brought it with them..
G'Day Mate..
They are known as the Running Roos...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...vy/nmcb133.htm

Hollowbody

I am so thankful for both of my grandfathers. One was in the South Pacific and one was in Normandy.

They both had a purpose, they are my heroes. They, with others like them, managed to save a few thousand people.

D.Dailey

I spent a good part of my life building parts and comonents for the Automobile Industry..
Theres not alot about outsorceing that you can really tell me..
I have lived with it for many many years...
There is more than enough blame to go around...
The only answer I see for it is in the mirror.
Butttttt!
I allways got a kick out of this..
Sometimes, parody is more fact than fiction...
Enjoy...
More American Workers Outsourcing Own Jobs Overseas | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

http://www.theonion.com/content/vide..._its_status_as

http://www.theonion.com/content/news...eed_in_america

American Viking

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It's achieved life long liberty, freedom, independence, and even more for my country. Maybe if you believed in anything in your life you would realize some things in this world are worth fighting for, life, love, liberty, happiness, to end tyranny and opression, but I guess you wouldn't know much about that.

This is off topic anyway.

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Sir Don

No disrespect but it should be Kangaroo, not Kangroo.

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KanGroo Buddy...
Can Do..
I do understand we can see things differently..
Reasonably so...
I have often wondered a bit about this map when I found it..
The Upsidedown Map Page - World Maps with South at the Top

Sir Don

I think you've lost me here, there's nothing different about it, it's spelt Kangaroo.

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D.Dailey

LOL......
Sorry if it went over your head..
But it evidently worked well enough for its reason... The Spelling...
It got you to ask about it,, Correct??
It has been explained ,, in pretty Plain (Common) English. (And I do use that term very loosely)
But I would have to imagine,, That it can Not, get you to Understand It..
P.S.
Spell Check,, is not a good tool for editing..
It could eazily get one confused..


My kid had a few of these liveing with him in Popendetta PNG.
They often would come down to eat with them.
Sometimes plooping down from 20-25 foot up in the trees...
But they "Never" complained about the spelling..
http://www.panda.org/about_our_earth...tree_kangaroo/

Australian

Surely there are better things to spend the tax payers money on than tanks and fighter planes.

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Australian

This is the original Question by the way.

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D.Dailey

That would make for a better life...
One of the veicles he drives cost over 2 million..

At least his iPod works in the thing..

The sad reality is,, we are a long way from that day..

This would be my grandmother and 5 of my dads brothers and himself...
Three went through Europe , Three through the Pacific..


Two more fought in Korea one is still MIA presumed Dead there..
Of 9 Brothers 8 seen combat.
I dont knock the jobs they had to do..

Hollowbody

The best investment for a free country is the means to keep it free. How naive, do you really think that if we lay down our defense that the whole world is just going to hold hands and watch the sun rise? There will always be people who hunger for power and want control the resources of the planet and take everything you have.

Why not ebay the deadbolt on your front door and spend the cash on something... better?

I'm not paranoid, take a look at the last 4 to 6 thousand years of human history.

Is this off topic? Maybe directly but in essence this is part of the concept of the difference between a free country and one that has the capacity of what happened in Tiananmen square in '89 (as one very small example).

Kensai

Well, a topic that started speaking about speakers is almost entering into nuke war Arena...
Why everytime in a forum people speaks about America, all things end in ballistic missiles, stealth fighters, etc etc etc???

When I speak about America (that´s the way you like to be called, it´s good for me) I prefer to speak about Harleys, rock´n roll, blues, jazz, good music, movies, and the best of all...good values.

I think, from were I live, that since I grow with those good values, too, I cant speak in a way that can hurt your feelings.
My first martial arts instructor was American, a very quiet and nice guy, he help me a lot to take my first step into that wonderfull world.

I really love my country, even plenty of retarded communist politicians, has many advantages, and I cant say it´s better country that anything...or less.

It´s good, just that.

That´s the only one thing that I dont like about the way Americans speak about their country, or others in reference, is that they are better than the rest of the world.
No sir, you arent. Really not. And that kind of comments just hurt yourselves, only.

You have a wonderfull country, plenty of magic and art, good values as I said, but that position only throw you in a path of isolation.
The world today, more than ever, has proved to be a place were we are interdependant, you can say "blast all of them"...ok, sure you can do that, but and after that, what?

You cant enjoy your victory, when you are alone.

Let me tell a little story about an experience I have with another (brilliant) martial arts instructor from America.
He was speaking the same thing "my country is the better and most generous country in the world, bla bla bla". I really felt bored and tought "oh no...here we go again".
When he ended his speach, he looked at me very deep into my eyes, with THAT Patton look, I almost saw the Helmet with those five stars into my mind, and pissed my pants. Not literally, of course
He is a former Marine, a very tall man, and it was an impresive and funny experience.
For a moment, I felt weak, saw to the floor, running away from that agressive look, but for a second I thought "wait a moment...what the F****!! You have no reason or right to look me into THAT way!"

So, I looked into those deep eyes, but not trying to bullying or impress him, just looking like another human being, with the same rights as him, and what he did?

No, he didnt draw his Colt 45. government model, just blinked an eye and smiled.

Peace, man, as the old hippies said!

Hollowbody

I agree, people everywhere are equal and should be treated equally.

I don't like ignorant "kill em' all" talk either but when I talk about my grandparents winning a war against the Nazi party I make no apologies. It doesn't mean that I am saying that all other countries are crap. That is a misleading generalization.

This also looks like another misleading statement that is lacking substance. Almost as if an unwarranted correlation is being made.



Our constitution is based on the premise of freedom and equality. Does that make us better? Not always in prasctice but I would rather my forefathers make the sacrafice for just the idea of freedom than knowingly for anything else.

I have nothing against Chinese people, or any people. It would take me a lifetime to fully understand and appreciate every facet of China and it's history.

I would have no problem with Celestion speakers being made in China if I knew they were not going to turn out like so many other products being made there. And also if I knew the revenue generated wasn't being used by a government that did not have human beings best interest in their agenda or at least it's foundation.

And yes, for most of us patriotisim will always instantly take precedent over many other topics.

Kensai

I agree with you, speaking about the topic, I don´t feel comfortable buying something that was made by people that wasn´t treated with dignity, and may be is working in very hard and unhealthy conditions.
And talking about quality, I think that may be products with a very well known brand, like Celestion, or Fender, have a good QC.
It´s supposed to be that we will not have problems with those products.
What I´m not so sure, is about unknown products, that can be a tricky pony.
Sometimes things looks "good", but you don´t know if it will be a trustworthy product that will last for years of use, and may be abuse.