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MM54 04-29-2011 05:11 PM

re: Everything and Anything About Speakers
 
So... what would you suggest for dimensions for a good sounding 1x12? :laugh2:

I have the rest all planned out :hmm:

MartyStrat54 04-30-2011 08:46 PM

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Well it depends on certain parameters. However, 1.5 to 2.2 cubic foot on internal space is a ballpark figure.

MM54 04-30-2011 09:25 PM

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Sounds good, thanks Marty!

Salsg 05-04-2011 01:48 PM

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I recently got a 1960 for dirt cheap and it has 75s. I don't like the 75s so I plan on swapping some speakers in. I have speakers I can swap in to make this combo, what do you think?
V30 & g12-65 on top
G12t-75 and v30 on bottom

I am thinking this will have the base of the v30 tone which I like but add what the v30 is missing

Salsg 05-04-2011 01:48 PM

re: Everything and Anything About Speakers
 
I recently got a 1960 for dirt cheap and it has 75s. I don't like the 75s so I plan on swapping some speakers in. I have speakers I can swap in to make this combo, what do you think?
V30 & g12-65 on top
G12t-75 and v30 on bottom

I am thinking this will have the base of the v30 tone which I like but add what the v30 is missing

Salsg 05-04-2011 02:27 PM

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Hmm how'd that double post happen?

Hillcountry 05-04-2011 02:34 PM

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Are you making the 1x12 closed? If so, Marty's recommendation is good. If you are making it a split/back or open back you can pretty much do whatever you want.

When I make extension cabs, I usually make them anywhere from 20-22" Wide, 18" tall and 10.5" Deep. I have two back panels with a 3-4" gap between them. It sort of makes a good compromise between the benefits of open and closed back cabs. If you go much smaller than 3" the opening will vibrate with air movement - even with a 1x12.
Or if you close it in there is enough internal volume for a closed back cab (roughly 2.3 cubic feet minus the basket volume of the speaker).

Often the speaker manufacturer will recommend the internal volume of the cab.
-Hillcountry

MartyStrat54 05-06-2011 02:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Salsg (Post 369484)
I recently got a 1960 for dirt cheap and it has 75s. I don't like the 75s so I plan on swapping some speakers in. I have speakers I can swap in to make this combo, what do you think?
V30 & g12-65 on top
G12t-75 and v30 on bottom

I am thinking this will have the base of the v30 tone which I like but add what the v30 is missing

I'd go with the V30's on the bottom and the 65's on top.:fingersx:

MartyStrat54 06-21-2011 06:38 PM

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From Scirocco Guy.

An interesting link I found that compares different Celestions under identical conditions. Watford Valves :: Sound Factory - Listen to our speakers before you buy!

http://www.marshallforum.com/cabinet...und-bites.html

LesPaulopolis 07-01-2011 04:54 PM

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Should I go with WGS 65s or something else? Looking for a power-metal sound a la Scorpions and Judas Priest that's less icepick that stock 12-75s.

I like the lows and the mids are 'ok' on the stock 1960a, highs are a little harsh, not that bad.

Really I'm wondering if changing out 2 or 4 will make a 'huge' difference. I'm done with pedals trying to change 'tone' it's all speakers or pickups from here on out. Classic 57's are pretty bright, ebony fretboard is pretty bright, want the thunder...suggestions?

I really like the price of WGS, but are the a big enough improvement? I only want to have to do this once.

Other option is grabbing a 2x12 (loaded or unloaded).

Finally, my cab is from '98 and who knows how much the original owner used it but I've put about 10,000 hours on her so I'd say the 75s are definitely 'broken in'.
Are v30s good for Judas Priest / Scorpions? Will the low-end be too loose?

00jett 07-01-2011 06:41 PM

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Iv played through one ET65 and the only thing I would say about it is I don't know if it is as quick of a speaker as the g12t-75. Its got a smoother tone all across the eq band, but might not thump the same way. Just a thought.

MartyStrat54 07-01-2011 07:33 PM

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LES-Picking speakers is about the same as picking pickups. You might not get it right the first time. I do not have any actual flying time with the ET-65, but I have a lot of experience with the Eminence Tonespotter. I have a 4 X 12 Marshall cab loaded with two, Tonespotters and two, Black Powders. Totally awesome sound. The best pairing I have ever found. They sound good for everything I play and should easily handle the Scorps or JP.

LesPaulopolis 07-05-2011 03:16 PM

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Thanks for the advice, Marty!!! Eminence do look mighty tasty. I'm giving myself a 'gift' after getting married next week and decided it's gonna be new speakers!

MartyStrat54 07-05-2011 04:05 PM

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Congratulations on your marriage.

MartyStrat54 07-05-2011 10:02 PM

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I like this page.

Tone Guide | Eminence Speaker

chuckharmonjr 07-05-2011 10:44 PM

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Holy dogshit Bro...I hope she's a good one....or your gas days are over...lol...just kidding...Congratulations!

LesPaulopolis 07-06-2011 11:34 AM

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lol, She's a good one, we've been together 10 years...making it official!

Marty, given your experience I'm gonna go with that suggestion. Would that pairing make a 16- or 8-ohm mono 4x12?

MartyStrat54 07-06-2011 09:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LesPaulopolis (Post 410059)
Marty, given your experience I'm gonna go with that suggestion. Would that pairing make a 16- or 8-ohm mono 4x12?

I assume you mean the Tonespotter and Black Powder?

These are only available in 8 ohm. In a mono 4 X 12 cab, they will make an 8 ohm load. I only play with half stacks, so this is not a problem.

I've loaded several 4 X 12 cabs with these speakers and the customer was very happy with the sound.

Note: Eminence speakers take a while to break in. I use a tone generator set at 55Hz and do a 48 hour burn in.

LesPaulopolis 07-07-2011 04:34 PM

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Good advice. Yeah, X pattern w/the Tonespotters and Black Powders.

8 ohm mono is fine. I'll never need a full stack. I've also been toying with the idea of building 2 2x12s, one at a time, with one of each speaker.

There are a few unloaded 2x12s locally that I could snag, load with those speakers and test before going whole hog on my 4x12. Also would allow for maximum break-in time.

MartyStrat54 07-07-2011 08:04 PM

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Many years ago when I was a young man and playing every weekend, my main rig was two separate 2x12 cabs. This gave me a lot of flexibility.

Now as far as the Black Powders and Tonespotters, I do not use an X pattern. I put the Black Powders on the bottom and the Tonespotters on the top. This seems to work out the best.

javier pintos 07-08-2011 01:17 PM

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Hey Marty i did a combination test on the web page of eminence pairing the delta demond and the legend1028k (had a hard time sincronizind the sound on them but finaly did it), my speakers on the computer are good enough to be able to distiguish the different tones ont he speakers, the question is...

I was able to hear the delta demond and the legend1028k sort of compliment each other like a G12H-30 and a V30 compliment each other, am i hearing correctly or is my computer speakers?

I sort of heard the same with the Lil Buddy and the legend but they are further in loudnes to each other that the demon and the legend so i gues the last work better as a couple

yes iīm still looking speakers for the SR :(

MartyStrat54 07-08-2011 04:12 PM

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Yes they match close in SPL output, but the 1028K is more of a replacement speaker for low wattage "toy" amps. Try comparing the Delta Demon with the Copperhead.

Hillcountry 07-08-2011 04:53 PM

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Agree with the Delta Demon and Copperhead combo. This is an outstanding mix. The delta demon is kind of dark and the Copperhead is a classic fender/Jensen tone.

Great combo.

I can't recommend the copperhead enough...
-Geoff

javier pintos 07-08-2011 04:56 PM

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Thanks i was not comparing to make an either or but a joint purchase to complement each speaker

does the legend then is not a good match to the (0w) SR from your perspective?, all 4 of them would be 70 Watts, what would be your recomendation for the SR?

the copperhead has also been recomended as a good one for the SR, my problem is i donīt have many choices down here (and with the security situation at the border/highways these days, i just rather not streck the luck traveling several times) so i have to rely a lot on peoples experiences an make the most out of the sound examples on the net :(

javier pintos 07-08-2011 04:58 PM

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the 2 db difference should not be that noticeable then? for the demon vs copperhead?

Hillcountry 07-08-2011 05:07 PM

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I did two legend 1028's and two copperheads and I thought it made the legends sound a bit anemic. The copperheads had the vintage vibe but more fullness. To me they are the quintessential SR speaker. The 2 db difference won't matter. I might put the Delta demons on the bottom and the copperheads on the top. Then you get the thickness down low and the chime on top. Or the x pattern will work too. I like to mike the back of a super reverb, so I would get a mix either way.
-Geoff

Hillcountry 07-08-2011 05:08 PM

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Oh...I might add. I also did 2 ramrods and to copperheads before I settled on the Legends and Copperheads in the SR. That was a huge mix also.

MartyStrat54 07-08-2011 06:43 PM

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Thanks for your input Hill.

Hillcountry 07-08-2011 09:40 PM

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My pleasure Marty. I went through so many speakers with that Super Reverb. I ended up converting it to a 60's style floating baffle and speaker config. instead of the offset speaker config of the 70's cabs. After I sold it I missed having a super reverb, so now I have built an amp that is a "normal" channel side only of a Super Reverb, through a 4x10 cab with Ramrods on the bottom, and 2 Weber Ceramic Sig 10s on the top. When I crank it, the Sigs are screaming/freaking out while the RRs stay strong. It is a pretty awesome setup. It is in a Bassman-style cab with a Tweed pro chassis.

I think that by the time I cycled through speakers on the 72 Super Reverb I had I could have bought a mid-60's one!
-Geoff

javier pintos 07-09-2011 12:40 AM

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hey when you say webers sig 10s you mean the 10S with the ribbed cone or the 10 with the plain cone?

wold the webers resemble the copperheads in tone? i should understand the CH would be more clean when pushed due to power rating compared to the weber?


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