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Unread 08-10-2010, 11:28 PM   #541 (permalink)
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re: Everything and Anything About Speakers

Well the BP's stand up on their own just fine, but I would go with either some Texas Heat's or Tonespotters with the BP's.
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Unread 08-10-2010, 11:29 PM   #542 (permalink)
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They only come in 8 ohm right?
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Yeah that's the only drawback. But an 8 ohm half stack ain't any problem, at least not to me.
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Unread 08-10-2010, 11:31 PM   #544 (permalink)
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Well I might have a lead on a 412 cab with blown speakers in it for $100.
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Dude, if it is a birch cab, jump on it.
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Unread 08-10-2010, 11:33 PM   #546 (permalink)
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Will talk some more if I get it. I'm going to cruise around. I'm sure we will hook up again.
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I'll see you over at the Strat thread.
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Great looking cabs Marty! Those speaker combinations sounds interesting, do you have those cabs ported/tuned?
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Unread 08-11-2010, 06:31 PM   #549 (permalink)
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HERE IS A REPRINT OF MY ORIGINAL POST FROM PAGE 8.

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Okay, here are some pictures and comments from my latest renovations of the 1960A cab. Some of you are aware of what I have been up to. Recently I bought around $1200 in Eminence speakers and I have been trying out different pairs in a 412 cab.

The 1960A has been modified. The G12T-75's were removed and sold. All the screws were tightened the handles were glued to prevent rattles. I cut two, four inch holes in the back panel. In the holes went aperiodic vents. Real quickly, they make speakers think they are in a larger box. A thick pad of fiberglass was applied to the back. (Not shown in the pictures is the cut out in the fiberglass for the center post.)

I've currently tried several combo's of speakers. In the picture is the Black Powder and the Tonespotter. I really like the Black Powder and would recommend it for those who play any type of heavy metal with drop tunings. The Black Powder has a low resonance and has a tight midrange with a nice splash of highs. A 412 of these would make a killer thrash, death, or grindcore speaker. Palm mutes are brutal and tight.

I just pulled the Private Jacks out and installed the Tonespotters. The Private Jacks are clones of Greenbacks and the Tonespotter is a clone of the G12-65. It's 2:40 AM and I can't play right now. I'll be curious to see how the Tonespotters sound as the response curve is similar to the Private Jack.

I'll post more later on the tone of the speakers. Here are some pictures.

Stock G12T-75 still in the cab.

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/t...4/HPIM0965.jpg

Back side of the two, aperiodic vents.

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/t...4/HPIM0988.jpg

Back panel showing the two, aperiodic vents.

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/t...4/HPIM0993.jpg

Slab of fiberglass on back panel. I had to cut a notch out for the center post.

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/t...4/HPIM0987.jpg

Black Powder and Tonespotters.

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/t...4/HPIM0989.jpg

Black Powder

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/t...4/HPIM0990.jpg

Tonespotter

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/t...4/HPIM0992.jpg

Finished cab ready for testing.

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/t...4/HPIM0957.jpg
So the 1960A cab has aperiodic vents, which act differently than a port. They make the speakers think they are in a larger sealed cab. Of course, as pointed out, I installed fiberglass to help smooth out standing waves inside of the cab.

The Peavey cab is stock except for fiberglass and the back panel has been modded to just a 16 ohm setting. Again, this contains the Private Jack (high power Greenback) and the Texas Heat speakers. I've got about 8 hours left on their break-in with the signal generator, but I did play them for a while prior to this and they sounded really good together. I think this will be a great hot rod blues cab and the 1960A will be a heavy rock/metal cab.

Thanks for your interest. If you have any questions, feel free to post.
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Oops sorry Marty, didn't realize these were the same cabinets you showed earlier. You have so many projects on the go around here its hard to follow!!
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I'm hear to tell you that the Tonespotters/Black Powders put a whipping on the Private Jacks and Texas Heats. It's too thin. I'm spoiled on the Black Powders.

I'm going to have to find some other pairing for these speakers. On paper it looked good, but in the cab it's a different story.
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As promised, EMINENCE SWAG. I got the shirt and 10 guitar picks. Better than nothing at all.









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**** You Marty.
All I got was picks...
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Well as far as the picks go, I use orange Tortex. However, the Eminence picks are mediums and I use them when I ain't sweating.

Hey I was hoping for a guitar strap or a cap, besides the tee shirt.
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Oh, you know how many pairs of speakers I have bought? I was busy building custom cabs until things slowed down real bad. They should have given me a dozen shirts and I could have given them to you guys.
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Yup, I know. I like Fender thin picks, Eminence RWB picks are medium.
I can't win for losing.

Maybe I can trade 'em for a Boss CE-1 or a Boss EQ.
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Unread 08-12-2010, 06:23 PM   #558 (permalink)
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Well I guess you can see why these companies are so tight with their stuff. If they gave stuff away to everyone, they'd be broke.

However, when you are a user of some product, I think they should give you a discount on buying a tee shirt, say five buck. That would be fair.
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When the Musicians Friend discount store was still open, they had tee shirts lined up and it would say, "Free with your purchase of any ( ) items. Hell, I have like nine shirts from that place. When I bought my Explorer, it was winter time and I got a long sleeve, black Gibson shirt. I bought a Fender locking strap and got a real nice multi-colored Strat tee.

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Ok guys, I'm going to pick up a used 2x12 extension cab from a guy on Craigslist. We are meeting in a guitar center parking lot, so I shouldn't have any "my POD got stolen in a park stories. "

It's a Crate (no starchild jokes) Crate-V212B

It has stock speakers, and they may be decent, so we shall see.

Ideas for replacements?
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Well right now I have a very nice 412 Crate cab that was a top of the line cab. All birch plywood and it came with Celestion G12-70's. I sold the Celestions and have what I call my vintage blues speakers (very old alnico's) in it. To be blunt, after hearing the Black Powder/Tonespotter cab, I'm sort of spoiled on it. I guess I will try the Governors with the Texas Heat as that is a good combination. The Governors are a little hotter than the Texas Heat's.

I would see what is in the Crate 212. Also, make sure it is well built. Some companies get cheesy on their 212 cabs. Remember that used speakers, even Celestions don't sell for much on CL or EBAY.

Are you wanting to go with two 8's in series or or two 16's in parallel?
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Well, I'm back and was NOT assaulted by Slash Rapper.
The cab is i in great condition, and looks like this:


That being said, it has "made for Crate speakers" in it. Havent plugged it in just yet, as I just got back.

Marty, The output on the Class 5 is 16ohm, so I'd want something that matches up with that. If I rermember right, the cabinet has to match the ohms or be higher in ohms, otherwise stuff goes kablooey.
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Well are you saying it only has a single 16 ohm output?
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Well are you saying it only has a single 16 ohm output?
Yes.
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Well as long as that Crate 212 is two 8 ohm speakers in series, you'll be good to go.

Most 212's nowadays are 8 ohms so you will want to check that. Most 212 cabs made for good tube amps are usually 16 ohms.
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If you are cruising through and you have a question. Don't hesitate to post it.

I'm going to have some spare time to take the Private Jacks out of my 412 cab and exchange them for some Governors. If there ever was a poor pairing, I found it. Do not mix Texas Heats with Private Jacks. Yuck! Neither speaker has any bottom.
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You going to be selling any of those 587.23567 speakers you bought?

Those private Jacks just might be a great fit in the 2x12 cab
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Marty. I don't believe I've ever seen you comment on the Cannabis Rex speaker. Have you tried them and if so, what are your thoughts? I actually love them. I have found a good combination is a Rex paired with the Wizard. I think they compliment each other very nicely. I play mostly blues and imo this combination works together very well.

I have also paired the Rex's with Vintage 30's. On paper, this seems like a good combination. The V30's are difficult to break in however and I'm going to have to be patient with them. I have to watch the amount of bass I EQ. The V 30's tend to give me a serious crackling noise, not fizzy but snap, crackle and pop.
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I have a 4x12 with two Wizards and Two Rex. I agree that it is a great pairing. It is way loud though -- great for outdoor gigs or low wattage amps. My two 50 watt heads through it is, well frankly, deafening. I have about 20 hours on the cab and it really rocks. The low end is almost overwhelming at times (well inside my study anyway) but it cuts through at outdoor and party gigs (which is mostly what I do).

The Cannabis Rex itself is quite a smooth speaker. Sparkling is a good definition. I find that with a strat (which I tune D-D instead of E-E) they have the woody warmth I want. I find I can use the bridge pickup and finally get great tone that is not too shrill. With my LP, (tuned E-E) I get a pure 60's/70's rock tone. I find I rarely use effects now with those speakers.

I also have a pair of Vintage 30's that I love. I hear what you are saying about that last sizzle in the V30. I feel like the pair of Wizards and CR don't have that sizzle on the high end.

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Ok, I'm looking for replacement speakers for the closed back 2x12 I just got. Initial ideas from reading the thread:

Option 1: 1 cannabis rex and 1 wizard (102 and 103db)

Option 2: 1 black powder and 1 tonespotter (100db)

What say you?

Note, right now the above pair would be $180 new, and the below would be $160 new.
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