TPR

Anyone playing through a 2x12 rig, how are you setting up on stage? I've been using a bassman head that fits without too much overlap, so I'm comfortable setting it on top when the cab is standing up, but of course the jcm head is about twice the size. Do you -

- take the chance
- stand up the cab and secure it
- put the cab on it's side and elevate the whole thing
- not play out so you don't have to put up with the abuse and mockery from the full stack owners

If somehow securing yours, I'd love to know how. Thanks.

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rockinr0ll

The 2x12 is a hell of a a lot easier to carry around than a 4x12. The only problem is making sure you cut through the mix, I use V30 - 75 Celestion combination for that. Micing will help but is not manditory. Just set it up and play.

TPR

Thanks, RnR. I'm the lone six string up there (other guitar players are buried in my back yard, don't tell anyone), so I'm not so worried about the mix as about the physical setup. I'll probably just have to commandeer a table when we play.

And yes, the 2x12 is easier and in some cases, my only option because of my car.

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nofearfactor

I have recently stopped using either one 4x12 in stereo or two in mono.Ive started using a couple of 2x12s,one on each side of my rack. I sometimes just use one 2x12 in stereo but am possibly thinking of using even 2 1x12s in stereo,one on each side of my rack, just for the stereo seperation. With a 200watt 9200 dual mono tube power amp in my rack rig I have ample power,most of which I dont even fully use. I just got tired of ruining my back hauling around a couple of 4x12s for no reason. Plus there is the space issue in the trailor. And,I am cutting thru using any size cab with no problems with that monster power amp I have in my rack. I have been running XLRs from my rigs preamp/effects processor to the boards at most venues for my PA feeds so my speakers on stage are just for my own stage volume,which is being fed to the monitors for everyone else to hear any ways. I just am through with 4x12s. So what it doesnt look 'metal' not to be using 4x12s. My tone is what is important,not how it gets to the ears.

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TPR

Thanks for the replies, but I may not be explaining what I'm looking for very well. I'm happy with the sound I'm getting. My full stack comment was for humorous effect. Guess I won't give up the day job.

What I really want to know is how people safely place their Marshall head on a 2x12 without it tipping over. I'm guessing the cab is usually on its side and put on a table, but would like to hear what others have done. Thanks.

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rockinr0ll

Well a 1936 is a full size cab and has no problems with tipping over. I also have wheels on it so it stays well supported. The only thing I ever needed was to place foam underneath the head to make sure the cabinet doesn't vibrate and the head doesn't fall off.

nofearfactor

I have wheels on my 1936 too...

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TPR

OK, I think I get it now. My homebrew cab is not as wide as most 2x12s if I stand it up vertically, but it's exactly the same size as the 900 head when the cab is on its side. This is a happy coincidence, since I built the thing to be as compact as possible and didn't have the 900 at the time. So I'll put the cab on it's side with the head on top and put the whole thing on a table or something. Next question: the 900 has the round ball type feet. If I want to attach something to the cab that the feet can sit in, am I stuck with the skid trays that go front to back? Nothing wrong with that, but would prefer 4 individual things that the ball would sit in if there is such a thing.

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Adwex

I have a 1936 at home that I'm considering using more, but it's stock without wheels. Where'd you get the wheels? Are they the "pop-out" type?

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Riffraff

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TPR

Thanks, Riffraff. I see they also have salvage tubes, so I just drooled on myself since I can try out a few more tube types for a little less cash.

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MonstersOfTheMidway

Sup all. Hey, TPR. I have a 4X12 and a 2X12 and know all about the benefits and drawbacks of both, so I feel for ya'.

I'm gonna suggest something that I don't think has been mentioned here. You can tip your 2X12 to point upwards. I have a 2X12 cab with removable casters. This damn 2X12 is way loud and can handle anything my JVM410H throws at it. But, there was a time when I thought I wasn't curring through, so what I did is remove that two rear casters and then flip the front casters backwards to keep the cab from moving around. This way, with the two rear casters removed, I could tip the cab upwards and change the direction of the sound coming from the speakers. As for the head, I just put it up on a sturdy little table and all was fine.

If your cab doesn't have casters, then you might still be able to tilt it upwards by placing something underneath the front end so that the angle of the sound will make it easier to cut through.

Hope this helps. Good luck working things out.

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nofearfactor

I went ghetto and went to Lowes and got some there and installed them myself. Not pop out,those suckers are on there to stay. I also got some that were about half the size of the screw off kind on my 1960s.

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rockinr0ll

Mine were already installed (thankfully) when I purchased used several years ago.

TPR

Thanks for all the responses and ideas. I like the caster idea a lot. I also started thinking last night about rigging up some spare pieces from a bakers rack to hold the cab and head on separate shelves. The rack screws together pretty easily and comes apart easily so I can transport it. I'll get it set up tonight and post a pic or two. Cheers.

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Ken

That gives me an idea: A four 2x12 stack!!! Hmm....

Ken

rockinr0ll

TPR

OK, here's the bakers rack setup.

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rockinr0ll

That's kinda cool, kinda giving me some ideas....

TPR

Cool, always happy to get some synapses firing. I think the rack came from Target. I still need to get some foam or something to put between the cab and the shelf because I'm sure to get some rattle otherwise.

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rockinr0ll

Would a rack case fit in that bottom shelf?

TPR

"Would a rack case fit in that bottom shelf?"

Good question. I was able to measure my 6U skb rack and it will definitely be tight, but didn't have time to try to put it on the shelf so I'll have to try that tonight. Inside the baker rack legs is about 21" x 12". The skb has part of its molding sticking out of the sides just far enough that it might be a bit of a pain.

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gunboatstudio

What is that on the top of the rack? A stylish bulletin board? So you can leave post-it notes on your gigging set-up? "Dr.'s apt- Monday 10AM!" "Don't forget the C# at the end of the pre-chorus!"


This looks a little top-heavy to me. Might be dangerous to push. If I were you, I'd just get a good metal folding chair. Stack the 2x12 horizontally on the chair, and stack the head on the 2x12. No rattling, no assembly, easy to transport. Props for thinking outside the box, though!

TPR

D'OH!

You don't like how I play dress up on my cabee?

Actually, it feels pretty sturdy even without anything on the bottom shelf, although I am considering attaching something at the bottom to extend the support out a bit.

The chair idea is intriguing, but I can't picture what you're talking about. All I can think of are the kind that definitely don't have enough room. What kind do you mean?

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gunboatstudio

I really do enjoy your cab stylee! I would just be unable to resist posting ridiculous things on it.

"Vote No on Question 6"
"This amp is sponsored by Bankowski Drywall. 1-800-555-5555"
"My other band is a piece of shit too!"


I'm talking about a standard, armless, metal folding chair. The kind found in church basement functions for the last 60 years.

The sides of the cab are sure to hang over the left and right ends of the chair. But as long as the base is deep enough, and there's a slight incline on it, it will be secure enough. I wouldn't launch myself off of it for a split kick or anything... but I've used this set up at gigs for years without anything toppling over. I play a JCM900 2x12 combo.

Again, I'm talking about a horizontal 2x12- not your current vertical set up.

TPR

"I'm talking about a standard, armless, metal folding chair. The kind found in church basement functions for the last 60 years."

Oh, OK. That's the kind I was thinking of that won't have enough room for the cab. I've been able to use those for combos, but not with this cab. Besides, if I try to play Sabbath with something associated with the church basement, well, you know, I may not live through the gig.

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BarkinMarshall

Take two 2X12's and stand them verticle next to each other - then point them inwards so the (beam) frequencies cross each other. This warms up the sound and you'll never need beam blockers (people in the front row will appreciate this) I got this aidea from a a thread on the gearpage - here is the quote from post #130 (save you a bunch of reading) "Best sounding compact 212s I ever heard, was a matched pair of Buzz Feitens from back in the 90s. Mismatched speakers, one back loaded, one front, diagonal placement and sold in mirror image pairs. Unbelievable sound, but cost so much to make he couldnt' keep manufacturing them. Shame, cause they are amazing"

Here is the link Which is the best 2x12 cabinet and why? - The Gear Page

I like it - no mater where I stand I can here myself and the icepick of V30's is gone!
Try it and let me know what you think!
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MartyStrat54

I think the baker's rack looks like it will work. I feel the 900 down below will help with the balance of the rig. I guess if you're nervous you could always throw a sack of concrete on the bottom. That would tack it down.

Anyway, this gets your speaker up and all the controls are accessible on the front of the amp. You're good to go.

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watchtheskies

I had a flightcase made up to similar width as my orange 2x12 cab but only 12 inches high, this is like a large ammo box type thing that I keep my pedalboard and guitar stands, power cords and boards in etc

I also have a board with wheels attached (dolly board) which I can roll my rig around on, which stands about 5 inches off the ground

so I stack the case on the dolly board and my 2x12 on top of that so my cab is raised 17 inches higher, up to about the same height as a 4x12, then my Marshall can sit on top of the cab without having to stand the cab on end

TPR

Hey, guys, thanks for resurrecting this thread. Lots of great info. I still like the bakers rack idea, but I've discovered a couple of drawbacks, at least with this unit. First, if I have to take it apart to transport, putting on the plastic clips that support the shelves is a bit time consuming. Might be able to set up while the band before us plays.

But I do like the flight case idea, too. Right now, I toss my stuff in a couple of bags which may not hold up much longer under the strain of all my crap.

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