Vintage Modern through a bunch of cabinets

gtrman · 09-22-2009, 04:59 PM

I have a bunch of different cabinets and thought it would be fun to do a comparison of them through my Vintage Modern 2266. Same guitar & same settings on the amp.

VM 2266 - Cabinets

American Viking · 09-22-2009, 05:07 PM

Awesome comparison. Truly for vintage rock tones those greenbacks do it the most justice. The cabs with Vintage 30's sound great too.

Great job!

jcmjmp · 09-22-2009, 09:32 PM

Love the G12C Tone. The Vintage 30s sound tinny in comparison. A cab with V30s/G12T should pretty good 'cos the G12T-75 cabs actually sounded pretty meaty.

Jesstaa · 09-22-2009, 10:11 PM

Awesome dude.

Too bad you don't have a Dave Mustaine cab to try out too, they sound awesome.

Tonehungry · 09-24-2009, 10:17 PM

Thanks for doing the comparison......I want a vintage modern head and,I too,have a bunch of cabinets and was wondering what the amp would sound like through them!

rockinr0ll · 09-26-2009, 06:13 PM

Blind test.

JSX, V30, Greenbacks, and than 75's. Funny that I thought the JSX sounded the best, maybe I need those speakers? lol.

thrawn86 · 09-26-2009, 07:54 PM

Very nice....Mine has the 75 watters, which sound fine, but the greenbacks are awesome.

JohnH · 09-26-2009, 08:37 PM

This is another good test - we should make a stickied thread with a link to all the speaker tests. I agree that the Greenies win this one. Listening to this, and a few other demos on the web, you start to get an understanding of the relative differences, even though, depending on amps and settings, different cabs may sound best in in different tests.

For example, the general differerence from Greenback to V30, to me, sounds like the vocal difference from an 'ah' sound to an 'aw' ..if you see what I mean! And you can always hear how a G12T75 has more top end bite and less mids than the others.

On these tests, how loud was the recording and how were they miced?

John

gtrman · 09-28-2009, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnH

This is another good test - we should make a stickied thread with a link to all the speaker tests. I agree that the Greenies win this one. Listening to this, and a few other demos on the web, you start to get an understanding of the relative differences, even though, depending on amps and settings, different cabs may sound best in in different tests.

For example, the general differerence from Greenback to V30, to me, sounds like the vocal difference from an 'ah' sound to an 'aw' ..if you see what I mean! And you can always hear how a G12T75 has more top end bite and less mids than the others.

On these tests, how loud was the recording and how were they miced?

John

This was recorded using a Canon HD cam + a Canon DM-100 external cam-mic (cost me over $200). The mic was pointed straight at the cab about 2-3 feet away. Obviously making a professional recording and using hi-end mic's and recording software would give better results but just lugging the cabs in & out and up & down stairs was work enough for me

The volume on the amp was way over bedroom level. Master volume was set at 5 and the amp is the 2266 which is the 50w version.
My main goal for this demo was to be able to hear the differences between the cabinets which could be achieved using this process.

The "winner" in my opinion is the 425a with the Greenbacks. I do feel I get the best tone out of that cabinet and can clearly understand why this is the matched cabinet for the VM. The G12T-75 sounded thin on the recording but way more ballsy in person.
As with most cabinets I would have to dial in the Eq that would be the best fit for the cab (adding mids when using G12T-75 and dialing back the mids when using V30's ..) if I were to use other cabinets than the 425A

***Adwex*** · 09-28-2009, 08:19 AM

Awesome comparison, thanks for making the effort.

Yeah, the Greenbacks sound best, but they need a little bottom end thump. I never heard of G12C's, I thought GB's were G12M's.

I'd love to hear the G12H in the comparison too.

gtrman · 09-28-2009, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Adwex

Awesome comparison, thanks for making the effort.

Yeah, the Greenbacks sound best, but they need a little bottom end thump. I never heard of G12C's, I thought GB's were G12M's.

I'd love to hear the G12H in the comparison too.

This is from the FAQ over at the VM forum:

The G12C speakers are exclusive to Marshall and can only be purchased from Marshall.
The G12C is a G12M but voiced after a particularly nice vintage reference we (Marshall) had access to. We couldn't call it a G12M because that was already taken obviously, so we called it G12C, which simply stands for G12 Ceramic. It is exclusive to the SUPER100JH Limited Edition Hendrix 1982A and B cabs and the Vintage Modern Series.

Mindfuel_MK · 09-29-2009, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtrman

I have a bunch of different cabinets and thought it would be fun to do a comparison of them through my Vintage Modern 2266. Same guitar & same settings on the amp.

Would be interesting to know if the sound is the same with the same elements but in other cabinets from like, Randall, Mesa/boogie and Engl.

rich24a · 10-01-2009, 12:23 PM

That was a great sound, especially from the Greenbacks... It would be really interesting if you could make one of these videos for your 2203X, that would be really cool...

American Viking · 10-01-2009, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mindfuel_MK

Would be interesting to know if the sound is the same with the same elements but in other cabinets from like, Randall, Mesa/boogie and Engl.

Cabinet construction has a lot to do with tone as well, so they would retain very similar qualities if they had the same speakers but they would still sound different.

Again, I love this video.

HiLifeRocker · 10-08-2009, 02:51 PM

My ears tell me G12C Greenies are more pleasing to me. The Satch cab - not feelin' that EQ curve AT ALL.

Thank you for taking the time to put this together. Cheers!

HOT TUBES 70 · 10-17-2009, 01:02 PM

yes , the greenbacks sounded the best to my ears , but to be fair it was recorded
on a cheap mic etc . if you were to take this to a real studio and spend some time
with different mics you might have different opinions on several other cabs .

cool video , it would take alot of work to make it .

crossroadsnyc · 10-17-2009, 03:21 PM

I have the 425a, which I love ... but I also really liked the V30's in this video.

Nice job.

Along these lines, I'd love to hear a comparison w/the 425a/b next to a 1960ax/bx w/the other greenbacks (C v. M).

george76 · 10-17-2009, 04:49 PM

Im still a vintage 30 fan.

That little riff you do at the end of each test, is it from the final countdown solo?

gtrman · 10-18-2009, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

yes , the greenbacks sounded the best to my ears , but to be fair it was recorded
on a cheap mic etc . if you were to take this to a real studio and spend some time
with different mics you might have different opinions on several other cabs .

cool video , it would take alot of work to make it .

Actually the mic cost me almost $300 ... price not reflecting the quality as it is a special designed mic that fits with the camera. Canon ripoff ... but hey it's a lot better than the built in camera mic.
But totally agree that recording with studio technology would definitely give a better result.

gtrman · 10-18-2009, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by george76

Im still a vintage 30 fan.

That little riff you do at the end of each test, is it from the final countdown solo?

Busted !!

I play that song in one of the bands I'm in and that little ditty has always eluded me as far as learning the whole solo. The rest of the solo was pretty straight forward to learn but I've been too lazy too learn the whole thing.
So I was practising that part and thanxs to the videorecording I now got it

09-22-2009, 05:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 1,510	Re: Vintage Modern through a bunch of cabinets Awesome comparison. Truly for vintage rock tones those greenbacks do it the most justice. The cabs with Vintage 30's sound great too. Great job! __________________ -I'd rather be a good liver than have one...

09-22-2009, 09:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
jcmjmp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,341	Re: Vintage Modern through a bunch of cabinets Love the G12C Tone. The Vintage 30s sound tinny in comparison. A cab with V30s/G12T should pretty good 'cos the G12T-75 cabs actually sounded pretty meaty.

09-22-2009, 10:11 PM	#4 (permalink)
Jesstaa Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Gippsland, Vic, Australia. Posts: 797	Re: Vintage Modern through a bunch of cabinets Awesome dude. Too bad you don't have a Dave Mustaine cab to try out too, they sound awesome. __________________ GEAR LIST Marshall JCM900 4100 (6L6) (1995) Marshall Valvestate 1965A cab (????) Cort VX-2V (2008) TUBES/SPEAKERS Power: Groove Tube 6L6GCB Phase Inverter: Sovtek 7025 Pre: V1 - N.O.S Mullard ECC83. V2 National 12AX7A Speakers: Celestion G10L-35 Marshall forever My tube amp & Real Music appreciation forum

09-24-2009, 10:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
Tonehungry Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 5	Re: Vintage Modern through a bunch of cabinets Thanks for doing the comparison......I want a vintage modern head and,I too,have a bunch of cabinets and was wondering what the amp would sound like through them!

09-26-2009, 06:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
rockinr0ll Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,340	Re: Vintage Modern through a bunch of cabinets Blind test. JSX, V30, Greenbacks, and than 75's. Funny that I thought the JSX sounded the best, maybe I need those speakers? lol.

09-26-2009, 07:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
thrawn86 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Far Nor Cal USA Posts: 426	Re: Vintage Modern through a bunch of cabinets Very nice....Mine has the 75 watters, which sound fine, but the greenbacks are awesome. __________________ Drivin' faster in my car... 02 DSL 401-Ei's 02 1960b 02 Gibson LP Studio Silver 03 PRS Santana SE Holy Grail reverb Originally Posted by J. Robert Oppenheimer "We knew the world would not be the same."

09-26-2009, 08:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
JohnH Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 640	Re: Vintage Modern through a bunch of cabinets This is another good test - we should make a stickied thread with a link to all the speaker tests. I agree that the Greenies win this one. Listening to this, and a few other demos on the web, you start to get an understanding of the relative differences, even though, depending on amps and settings, different cabs may sound best in in different tests. For example, the general differerence from Greenback to V30, to me, sounds like the vocal difference from an 'ah' sound to an 'aw' ..if you see what I mean! And you can always hear how a G12T75 has more top end bite and less mids than the others. On these tests, how loud was the recording and how were they miced? John __________________ DSL401 8412 cab Crate Powerblock 1 x 12 Vintage 30 cab '76 Shergold Masquerader '93 Les Paul Studio '83 Roadstar

09-28-2009, 08:19 AM	#10 (permalink)
*Adwex* Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 1,631	Re: Vintage Modern through a bunch of cabinets Awesome comparison, thanks for making the effort. Yeah, the Greenbacks sound best, but they need a little bottom end thump. I never heard of G12C's, I thought GB's were G12M's. I'd love to hear the G12H in the comparison too. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/MarshallLesPaul

10-01-2009, 12:23 PM	#13 (permalink)
rich24a Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Sandhurst, UK Posts: 33	Re: Vintage Modern through a bunch of cabinets That was a great sound, especially from the Greenbacks... It would be really interesting if you could make one of these videos for your 2203X, that would be really cool...

10-08-2009, 02:51 PM	#15 (permalink)
HiLifeRocker Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Northwest Indiana Posts: 4	Re: Vintage Modern through a bunch of cabinets My ears tell me G12C Greenies are more pleasing to me. The Satch cab - not feelin' that EQ curve AT ALL. Thank you for taking the time to put this together. Cheers!

10-17-2009, 01:02 PM	#16 (permalink)
HOT TUBES 70 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SASKATOON Posts: 1,675	Re: Vintage Modern through a bunch of cabinets yes , the greenbacks sounded the best to my ears , but to be fair it was recorded on a cheap mic etc . if you were to take this to a real studio and spend some time with different mics you might have different opinions on several other cabs . cool video , it would take alot of work to make it . __________________ MARSHALL 6100LM MARSHALL 1960A W/-G12H 30's CUSTOM BUILT 2X12 W/-V30's "MARSHALL" - only the best will do !

10-17-2009, 03:21 PM	#17 (permalink)
crossroadsnyc Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 312	Re: Vintage Modern through a bunch of cabinets I have the 425a, which I love ... but I also really liked the V30's in this video. Nice job. Along these lines, I'd love to hear a comparison w/the 425a/b next to a 1960ax/bx w/the other greenbacks (C v. M).

10-17-2009, 04:49 PM	#18 (permalink)
george76 Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 75	Re: Vintage Modern through a bunch of cabinets Im still a vintage 30 fan. That little riff you do at the end of each test, is it from the final countdown solo?

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