moustache_ride

Hi there, just got hold of a Marshall 4x12 looks like a 1960B from 1980. The speaker have no stickers on the back but on the metal it is engraved with 12LA and 128.

Anybody know of what they are because one of the speakers is missing and I need to replace it.

rockinr0ll

Most likely 65's.

janarn

12LA is 12. Nov. 1968.
128 could be a bad stamp and a part of T1281
Most of the G12H T1281 didn't have stickers in '68.

Look for date codes and T-numbers on all three speakers,
and if they are old G12H's, find out if the cab is original to the speakers.

Pictures?

moustache_ride

These are the speaker, the stamps are not clear but they all have MADE IN ENGLAND stamped on them. So do we reckon it is from 1968?

moustache_ride

I forgot to mention my bad spelling plus that the cab is an angled cab not a 'b' cab

janarn

Yes, that should be G12H T1281 30w Greenbacks from Nov.'68.
They sound great. It's my favourite speakers.

A '68 cab should have basketweave grill cloth, metal handles
and a wood list at the bottom of the cab. (can't be seen on the picture)

Ken

Are you sure it's not a 1982 model cabinet? Is there a small rectangular sticker on the back?

The few, the proud, the 1982 cabinet owners!!!

Ken

moustache_ride

Having done some googling, I think you are right, it is a 1982 model. No stickers anywhere and the guy I bought it off knew/remembered little. I had no idea they were greenbacks let alone 1968's. I don't think I should mention how much I paid for it

moustache_ride

This is the cab, I dare say a replacement speaker will cost me!

Ken

The rare Mas h t cabinet! NICE!! LOL

What's on the back? Any identification at all?

Ken

janarn

The cab looks like a late 70's cab on the outside.
Maybe it's not the original cab to the speakers,
or the original cab could have been retolexed,
and dressed up like a late 70's cab.

Your '68 G12H's should be in a 1982 cab with Basketweave grill cloth,
a 6" gold script logo, and a 100 logo in the corner.

Ken

Not all had the "100" logo. Those were on the 1970's version with 25 watt speakers. 1982 cabs also had 30 watt, 80 watt and I've read 100 watt speakers at various times, and these would not have the "100" logo.

Ken

janarn

The 1982 cab was in Marshalls '67 catalogue for the first time.
It had the G12H's that rated 25w, and the 100 logo.
The G12H was upgraded to 30w late '67,
but the cab was still rated 100w.
It was just the first 1982 cabs from '67 that had G12H 25w.
The G12M was upgraded from 20w to 25w at the same time.
All 1982 Basketweave cabs had the 100 logo up to early 70's.

moustache_ride

Does anybody know what ohms the G12H T1281 30w Greenbacks are?

Ken

15 ohms, but we call them 16 ohms.

Ken

bob63split

My son bought a jcm800 and slanted cab,back in late 80's,and ever since we've been looking for a 1982b straight cab to match. Are these really that rare that they didnt make that many of them? The tolex is kinda tannish grey looking so I told my son he'd better hold on to it forever and look for a straight 1982 to match.

moustache_ride

They are quite rare yes, but looknig around the free ads and Ebay they do exist it's just some people don't know what it is and just list it as a "marshall cab"

I am not sure if the 1960 and 1982 cabs are the same dimensions in size? Can anybody shed light on that?

janarn

It's identical cabs. The 1982 was the "heavy duty" version,
that could handle more power.

Ken

Same size. Although early 1982 cabs had the tall bottom. Very rare and expensive.

Yes, I also am looking for a straight 1982 model cabinet. I found one that was 8 ohms unfortunately for $575; mine is 15. Not a bad price though. I stole my angled cabinet for $375 on eBay, and picked it up locally. It's a little beat up but the grill is in great shape. G12H 80 speakers. Awesome sound!

Ken

janarn

The tall 1960b cab was announced in Marshalls '66 catalogue.
That was with G12M 20w, earlier than any 1982 cab

Adwex

Those speakers have big ass magnets...at least big covers. Looks like G12H's. I'll bet they pump out low end.

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Ken

With my DSL 50, they pretty much pump out what you put in. They don't sacrifice the highs for the lows; both are there. I love the articulation my cabinet has with the G12H80's. Chords are as fun as leads!

Ken

Ken

Yes, there is also an oversize 1960 cabinet as you point out. I imagine it was the same one they used as the 1982, but just put different speakers in the 1960b box and called it "1982b".

Ken

solarburnDSL50

Very informative thread guys.

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limetwist

Hi, I need to find out what exactly my friend has... It is a yellow Marshall ( i think 100w )amp straight cab, ( not black ) says 1960B, he had it since the 1980's. He got it used, but Im not sure if it is a 198o's or earlier?sIZE IS 29 X 15 X 29 . Every search I find a black one, not one that looks like this with the yellow or fawn or gold color ( whatever it is called ).

His head is a BLACK MK II lead 50 watt 2050w. He called this a shortstack, with the lower cab 1960b straight.

I dont know if this was originally a set, or 2 mismatched pieces he used.

It is now in deep storage, since the 1980's, so I cant get any more info like photos, or if a certain mark is on it, I dont think.

I'm trying to find a photo of the 1960b in this yellow/gold color, and the year it is from. I am also trying to find the value for both the head and the cab.

Thank you

limetwist

(just so you know,so I don't get bombarded with emails, its not for sale, regardless of the value( high or low ), we just want to know its true worth )

Ken

If it says "1960b" then that's what it is. You need to take the back off and get the codes off the speaker frame and cones. Then Google Celestion and look up the type and year of the speakers. The cabinet isn't worth a whole lot on its own no matter what it is (exept a tall 1982 or 1960 bottom); it's the speakers inside that determine most of the value.

Ken

janarn

You can get big money for an empty original Pinstripe cab.

metromutt

Your cab (imo) is a 1960a. Black cloth was introduced in '75, but I'm thinking the top skid trays were a little later as I don't remember them on a 76 cab I had?
The weird thing for me is your speakers?
T1281 is a 15 ohm, standard 60cs speaker introduced in 1966 onwards... BUT your date code given, 12LA is the 12th of April 1963
The next time Celestion reverted back to this format of codes was in 1992, which would make them '92 speakers... BUT you have black tab boards on the wire connectors which were changed to grey from 1970ish to date???? all seems very strange, anyone shed any light?

Btw. do you have any cone codes (white numbers actually printed on the paper cones)?

janarn

12LA = day, month, year.

L = Nov, A = 68.

This is G12H's from '68. T1281,
I have four of them myself.

"Celestion date codes" say that they changed the codes
to letters before numbers in '68, but I have never seen a
speaker from '68 without numbers before letters.