your final word on WGS speakers

Billyblades · 08-18-2012, 11:52 PM

Hi everyone!
I like the offerings of WGS. Being a celestion guy i noticed they have celestion like speakers or "clones " basicly.

I was thinking about trying these in a laney cab which has very dull sounding h&h speakers imho.
Should i stick celestion? I have 2 g1265 speakers that came from an old 2204 combo.
I was going to sell them because i felt they were too warm for my taste. I really dont care too much for vintage 30s feeling too ice picky with my modded amps.
I was thinking about keeping the 65watters and pairing them in an x pattern with greenbacks.
After seeing the wgs site i liked that they claim to be American made and some here say they are great and some say they are nasally?
Should i stick with celestions or try these wgs speakers?

You all been "in the loop" for awhile and have experience with both brands.
Can you please enlighten me with your thoughts and findings. Im thinking of sonething full n crisp to compliment the 65's warmer mellowness.

diesect20022000 · 08-18-2012, 11:58 PM

they sound like VINTAGE ORIGINAL celestions. pre rolas and english made V30's.

people will argue V30 difference but point out without hesitation the iherant smoothness of the veterans over the V30's well, i've used ALL OF THEM and to my ears the veteran 30's sound IDENTICLE TO MY ORIGINAL ENGLISH MADE V30's. but they sound far less harsh than the new era of chinese made v30's (where many fail to see these differences i must add the MAGNET WEIGHTS ARE ALSO different on the chinese V30's than the English counterpart

) so there are very clear (to me) differences in chinese V30's and English V30's.

V30/ENGLISH=Veteran 30 WGS.

the green beret's sound like a brand new/unused pre rola greenback to me (or i maybe mean Rola here...i tend to missword on things like this one) but the original and coveted greenies...that's what the berets sound like.

they all sound like the BEST of Celestion speakers before they got cheap and they cost much less.

so YES i say BUY BUY BUY. imo they can't be beat all around.

diesect20022000 · 08-18-2012, 11:59 PM

they are not anymore "nasaly" than Celestions,lol. they're all mid spiked speakers just like celestion (except their other clones of eminence and such of course).

Billyblades · 08-19-2012, 02:31 AM

Thank you for your reply. I was leaning towards wgs. Im thinking the berets would complimeny my 65s. I was also noticing they had alot of different models.
With celestion,,, i was torn between greenbacks, evh, or the lynchback?
I know wgs has clones of these...
Which model would you reccommend?
Im going to use the 2 (65watter) speakers and was thinking green berets to add a crisp but warm bite to the cab.
Please Let me know what you think ")
Thanks

johnfv · 08-19-2012, 02:41 AM

You will find many WGS fans here. I really like the Vet30 combined with a 65, also you might consider the Invader - higher power handling "greenback" style speaker. I posted some comparison clips last year:
Speaker comparison - can you tell?

diesect20022000 · 08-19-2012, 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billyblades

Thank you for your reply. I was leaning towards wgs. Im thinking the berets would complimeny my 65s. I was also noticing they had alot of different models.
With celestion,,, i was torn between greenbacks, evh, or the lynchback?
I know wgs has clones of these...
Which model would you reccommend?
Im going to use the 2 (65watter) speakers and was thinking green berets to add a crisp but warm bite to the cab.
Please Let me know what you think ")
Thanks

i think the green berets would be great. the biggest thing you need to get close to (within 1-2 prefered) is the sensetivity ratings but you can still mix whatever.

i like grenbacks and V30's or vet 30's and berets but i like a bright tone.

for what you want i think you're already heading in the right direction. but whatch for the sensetivity being too mismatched. the lower DB one (even if it's 3x the wattage) will sound quieter next to the higher DB speaker. so if it's more than 1 i'd definitely do X pattern. just my opinion though.

Billyblades · 08-19-2012, 03:08 AM

I never thought about that ( sensitivity rating) . Thanks for the tip! I hear people striking gold with g1275/greenback x -pattern combo. This is the kind of thing i am going for. Like a custom blend.

I will check out that comparison recording to thanks

zenfly · 08-19-2012, 04:50 AM

I have a 2x12 Sourmash Cab with a Green Beret and a Veteran 30 that's amazing.. I have Tone Tubbies, Celestions,Webers,and jensens back in boxes on the shelf.. I've heard them all since the beginning starting playing in 1963..
WGS are the best I've had.. I just had Bob @ Sourmash make a 2x10 combo cab for my JTM45 with a G10C and G10CS (one ribbed and one smooth cone)and these 10s are killer too..

Billyblades · 08-19-2012, 11:43 AM

Wow! Sounds like WGS is the winner!
I like the idea of supporting the underdog. I am playing thru some really good sounding Marshalls and i want the speakers to compliment the great sound of these amps.

I am working on my own amp design too and saw on WGS 's site that a few decent companies are using their speakers.
PRS being one of them, and he is from my home state of Maryland and he knows tone and quality.
Then with you guys here giving them a thumbs up that pretty much told me i was in the right direction
So,,, thank you all for help! I read alot of posts here before i joined and i am pretty confident you members here know whats good or bad!
WGS it is.

Billyblades · 08-19-2012, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zenfly

I have a 2x12 Sourmash Cab with a Green Beret and a Veteran 30 that's amazing.. I have Tone Tubbies, Celestions,Webers,and jensens back in boxes on the shelf.. I've heard them all since the beginning starting playing in 1963..
WGS are the best I've had.. I just had Bob @ Sourmash make a 2x10 combo cab for my JTM45 with a G10C and G10CS (one ribbed and one smooth cone)and these 10s are killer too..

That crocodile looks Awesome btw

zenfly · 08-19-2012, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billyblades

That crocodile looks Awesome btw

I have gators in my back yard.. The two WGS 10s are amazing and they're not even broken in..

Billyblades · 08-19-2012, 07:17 PM

Man,,, now Im gas 'n hard for some WGS speakers. Thank you all. Haha Fla gators,,, that does look great. Im about to do up 5 heads and croc is def on the to -do list ")

GIBSON67 · 08-20-2012, 09:25 AM

Try out your 65's before you sell and if you're not happy then sell them and buy whatever...

I was gassing for speakers for years and finally felt relieved when I tried some Greenbacks. Now I have a quad.

Billyblades · 08-20-2012, 11:13 AM

I have had my 65watters in a tubeworks 2x12 for over 10 yrs. I rarely play thru them but they are really nice sounding. I was going to put them on ebay but reading everybodys experiences made me think about keeping them. They actually sound great but a little tired to my ears. That tiredness in the sound might be the well broken in warm celestion sound people have raved about for years

sittin right here under my nose!
Now that i decided WGS will be the company i am going with,,, i need to decide the complimentary speakers to complete the x pattern in my laney cab.
The h&h speakers in it now sound like theres blanket over it.
I need to decide! Im thinking gbacks (berets)!
How do green berets sound with amps with resonance circuits?
One thing about my sound is i like it robust, biting and ballsy

Stringjunkie · 08-20-2012, 12:34 PM

I have a Reaper, to me it sounds the way you describe. But I only use a 1x12, I'm sure more of them would be awesome.

50WPLEXI · 08-20-2012, 12:48 PM

[QUOTE=zenfly;691037]I have a 2x12 Sourmash Cab with a Green Beret and a Veteran 30 that's amazing.. I have Tone Tubbies, Celestions,Webers,and jensens back in boxes on the shelf.. I've heard them all since the beginning starting playing in 1963..
WGS are the best I've had.. I just had Bob @ Sourmash make a 2x10 combo cab for my JTM45 with a G10C and G10CS (one ribbed and one smooth cone)and these 10s are killer too..

[/QUOTE

Bob made me a 2x12 as well. Mine has two of the WGS 50 watt Invaders installed. Cab just sounds/looks fantastic.

diesect20022000 · 08-20-2012, 01:13 PM

I also like that they're "local" USA speakers.

zenfly · 08-20-2012, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diesect20022000

I also like that they're "local" USA speakers.

Yea! as much as I hate buying Chinese anything if their speakers were better you can bet your ass I'd use them but they're not.. and Bob at Sourmash is very cool about anything you want custom.. Don't get discouraged if he doesn't answer emails as fast as some or the phone.. He's a small company and has a life, puts his family first and I like that too..

DirtySteve · 08-20-2012, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zenfly

I have a 2x12 Sourmash Cab with a Green Beret and a Veteran 30 that's amazing.. I have Tone Tubbies, Celestions,Webers,and jensens back in boxes on the shelf.. I've heard them all since the beginning starting playing in 1963..
WGS are the best I've had.. I just had Bob @ Sourmash make a 2x10 combo cab for my JTM45 with a G10C and G10CS (one ribbed and one smooth cone)and these 10s are killer too..

I had the same speakers in my PV Classic 50 and they sounded amazing in it.

WGS are awesome!

Billyblades · 08-20-2012, 09:18 PM

Wow...
wgs gets alot of love!
50watt,,, you are like "15" minutes away from my shop. I would love to film a sound demo of your invader 50's. My shop is right down the street and i got hella amps to plug into.

i would love to hear them with my Marshalls especially since they are my main amps.
Thursdays are always that boring day in the middle of the week when everyone stays home.
We could get you down here & let people hear them on the forum! I got an awesome unmodded 2203,,, my "billybladesdapirate " marshall mods lol,,, splawn,,, boogie mk3,,, carvin, engl,, ok my finger is tired ")
Collecting and studying great tone is my drug! Costs alot less too

Billyblades · 08-20-2012, 09:23 PM

7-10 minutes if you get all green lights

AlvisX · 08-22-2012, 12:48 PM

I have a couple stacks worth of real 65s
AND a couple stacks worth of WGS 65s in various cabs/ combos
The WGS have really delivered . Compared to the celestions , the WGS may be a slight bit brighter ,but then that's comparing new speakers to 30 year old ones

I tried their green berets in Chinese ac30,but that amp didnt stick around long enough for me to really get into those speakers

1976 Marshall 2203 / Alvin Youngblood Hart - YouTube

Billyblades · 08-24-2012, 11:16 AM

Dude, nice video! I can hear the "new" in them. I can hear the celestion vibe in them

50WPLEXI · 08-24-2012, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billyblades

Wow...
wgs gets alot of love!
50watt,,, you are like "15" minutes away from my shop. I would love to film a sound demo of your invader 50's. My shop is right down the street and i got hella amps to plug into.

i would love to hear them with my Marshalls especially since they are my main amps.
Thursdays are always that boring day in the middle of the week when everyone stays home.
We could get you down here & let people hear them on the forum! I got an awesome unmodded 2203,,, my "billybladesdapirate " marshall mods lol,,, splawn,,, boogie mk3,,, carvin, engl,, ok my finger is tired ")
Collecting and studying great tone is my drug! Costs alot less too

I can live with that! Great American product, at a great price for sure.

08-18-2012, 11:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
Billyblades Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Holy Grail Tone , Md. USA Posts: 2,802	your final word on WGS speakers Hi everyone! I like the offerings of WGS. Being a celestion guy i noticed they have celestion like speakers or "clones " basicly. I was thinking about trying these in a laney cab which has very dull sounding h&h speakers imho. Should i stick celestion? I have 2 g1265 speakers that came from an old 2204 combo. I was going to sell them because i felt they were too warm for my taste. I really dont care too much for vintage 30s feeling too ice picky with my modded amps. I was thinking about keeping the 65watters and pairing them in an x pattern with greenbacks. After seeing the wgs site i liked that they claim to be American made and some here say they are great and some say they are nasally? Should i stick with celestions or try these wgs speakers? You all been "in the loop" for awhile and have experience with both brands. Can you please enlighten me with your thoughts and findings. Im thinking of sonething full n crisp to compliment the 65's warmer mellowness. __________________ I am Anarchy ! WWW.FLAMINGDRAGONTATTOOS.COM www.Billyblades.net

08-18-2012, 11:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
diesect20022000 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 16,631	Re: your final word on WGS speakers they sound like VINTAGE ORIGINAL celestions. pre rolas and english made V30's. people will argue V30 difference but point out without hesitation the iherant smoothness of the veterans over the V30's well, i've used ALL OF THEM and to my ears the veteran 30's sound IDENTICLE TO MY ORIGINAL ENGLISH MADE V30's. but they sound far less harsh than the new era of chinese made v30's (where many fail to see these differences i must add the MAGNET WEIGHTS ARE ALSO different on the chinese V30's than the English counterpart ) so there are very clear (to me) differences in chinese V30's and English V30's. V30/ENGLISH=Veteran 30 WGS. the green beret's sound like a brand new/unused pre rola greenback to me (or i maybe mean Rola here...i tend to missword on things like this one) but the original and coveted greenies...that's what the berets sound like. they all sound like the BEST of Celestion speakers before they got cheap and they cost much less. so YES i say BUY BUY BUY. imo they can't be beat all around. bvoris likes this. Last edited by diesect20022000; 08-20-2012 at 01:11 PM.

08-18-2012, 11:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
diesect20022000 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 16,631	Re: your final word on WGS speakers they are not anymore "nasaly" than Celestions,lol. they're all mid spiked speakers just like celestion (except their other clones of eminence and such of course).

08-19-2012, 02:31 AM	#4 (permalink)
Billyblades Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Holy Grail Tone , Md. USA Posts: 2,802	Re: your final word on WGS speakers Thank you for your reply. I was leaning towards wgs. Im thinking the berets would complimeny my 65s. I was also noticing they had alot of different models. With celestion,,, i was torn between greenbacks, evh, or the lynchback? I know wgs has clones of these... Which model would you reccommend? Im going to use the 2 (65watter) speakers and was thinking green berets to add a crisp but warm bite to the cab. Please Let me know what you think ") Thanks diesect20022000 likes this. __________________ I am Anarchy ! WWW.FLAMINGDRAGONTATTOOS.COM www.Billyblades.net

08-19-2012, 02:41 AM	#5 (permalink)
johnfv Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Austin TX Posts: 2,097	Re: your final word on WGS speakers You will find many WGS fans here. I really like the Vet30 combined with a 65, also you might consider the Invader - higher power handling "greenback" style speaker. I posted some comparison clips last year: Speaker comparison - can you tell? __________________ My Amps: Marshall: '68 Plexi Super Tremolo 100, Class 5 head; Fender '65 blackface Showman, early 80s HiWatt 50, early 90s Dual Rectifier, Ceriatone: 18W TMB, 2204 HW, DZ30; Jet City: JCA20H and Pico Valve; Egnater Tweaker. Various Marshall and other cabs: 4x12, 2x12, 1x12 My Strats: early 80s '62 re-issue, '87 Strat plus, '10 EJ maple neck; Multiple Warmoth partscasters; Gibson: '08 Firebird V, '11 SG, '66 Melody Maker, '81 ES-347; various other guitars

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08-19-2012, 03:08 AM	#7 (permalink)
Billyblades Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Holy Grail Tone , Md. USA Posts: 2,802	Re: your final word on WGS speakers I never thought about that ( sensitivity rating) . Thanks for the tip! I hear people striking gold with g1275/greenback x -pattern combo. This is the kind of thing i am going for. Like a custom blend. I will check out that comparison recording to thanks diesect20022000 likes this. __________________ I am Anarchy ! WWW.FLAMINGDRAGONTATTOOS.COM www.Billyblades.net

08-19-2012, 04:50 AM	#8 (permalink)
zenfly Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: CoCoa Bch Fl Posts: 995	Re: your final word on WGS speakers I have a 2x12 Sourmash Cab with a Green Beret and a Veteran 30 that's amazing.. I have Tone Tubbies, Celestions,Webers,and jensens back in boxes on the shelf.. I've heard them all since the beginning starting playing in 1963.. WGS are the best I've had.. I just had Bob @ Sourmash make a 2x10 combo cab for my JTM45 with a G10C and G10CS (one ribbed and one smooth cone)and these 10s are killer too.. Fiftywattmafia, DirtySteve and diesect20022000 like this. __________________ Marshall JTM45 Mk2/GEC KT66 Mojotone JTM45/Siemens NOS el34, Marshall Mosfet 100 / 1965a Marshall MG15dfx, Marshall 2045 1973 Creamback Fender 59 5f1 Champ, Fender 57 5e3 Deluxe, Fender 63 Vibroverb, Fender 67 Super Rev Fender 91 Vibroking. Dr.Z Maz18 too many guitars.. Jim Marshall 1923-2012 "Leo" Fender 1909 – 1991

08-19-2012, 11:43 AM	#9 (permalink)
Billyblades Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Holy Grail Tone , Md. USA Posts: 2,802	Re: your final word on WGS speakers Wow! Sounds like WGS is the winner! I like the idea of supporting the underdog. I am playing thru some really good sounding Marshalls and i want the speakers to compliment the great sound of these amps. I am working on my own amp design too and saw on WGS 's site that a few decent companies are using their speakers. PRS being one of them, and he is from my home state of Maryland and he knows tone and quality. Then with you guys here giving them a thumbs up that pretty much told me i was in the right direction So,,, thank you all for help! I read alot of posts here before i joined and i am pretty confident you members here know whats good or bad! WGS it is. diesect20022000 likes this. __________________ I am Anarchy ! WWW.FLAMINGDRAGONTATTOOS.COM www.Billyblades.net

08-19-2012, 07:17 PM	#12 (permalink)
Billyblades Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Holy Grail Tone , Md. USA Posts: 2,802	Re: your final word on WGS speakers Man,,, now Im gas 'n hard for some WGS speakers. Thank you all. Haha Fla gators,,, that does look great. Im about to do up 5 heads and croc is def on the to -do list ") __________________ I am Anarchy ! WWW.FLAMINGDRAGONTATTOOS.COM www.Billyblades.net

08-20-2012, 09:25 AM	#13 (permalink)
GIBSON67 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lakeland, TN Posts: 3,310	Re: your final word on WGS speakers Try out your 65's before you sell and if you're not happy then sell them and buy whatever... I was gassing for speakers for years and finally felt relieved when I tried some Greenbacks. Now I have a quad.

08-20-2012, 11:13 AM	#14 (permalink)
Billyblades Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Holy Grail Tone , Md. USA Posts: 2,802	Re: your final word on WGS speakers I have had my 65watters in a tubeworks 2x12 for over 10 yrs. I rarely play thru them but they are really nice sounding. I was going to put them on ebay but reading everybodys experiences made me think about keeping them. They actually sound great but a little tired to my ears. That tiredness in the sound might be the well broken in warm celestion sound people have raved about for years sittin right here under my nose! Now that i decided WGS will be the company i am going with,,, i need to decide the complimentary speakers to complete the x pattern in my laney cab. The h&h speakers in it now sound like theres blanket over it. I need to decide! Im thinking gbacks (berets)! How do green berets sound with amps with resonance circuits? One thing about my sound is i like it robust, biting and ballsy __________________ I am Anarchy ! WWW.FLAMINGDRAGONTATTOOS.COM www.Billyblades.net

08-20-2012, 12:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
Stringjunkie Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: S W Florida Posts: 3,330	Re: your final word on WGS speakers I have a Reaper, to me it sounds the way you describe. But I only use a 1x12, I'm sure more of them would be awesome. __________________ Orange Dark Terror JCM1H DSL1H Sourmash 1x12/reaper Sourmash 1x12/green beret Fender American standard strat-stock Fender Blacktop strat-MHD pups Ibanez RG- MHD pups Gibson LP 50s tribute studio-stock

08-20-2012, 12:48 PM	#16 (permalink)
50WPLEXI Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Maryland Posts: 961	Re: your final word on WGS speakers [QUOTE=zenfly;691037]I have a 2x12 Sourmash Cab with a Green Beret and a Veteran 30 that's amazing.. I have Tone Tubbies, Celestions,Webers,and jensens back in boxes on the shelf.. I've heard them all since the beginning starting playing in 1963.. WGS are the best I've had.. I just had Bob @ Sourmash make a 2x10 combo cab for my JTM45 with a G10C and G10CS (one ribbed and one smooth cone)and these 10s are killer too.. [/QUOTE Bob made me a 2x12 as well. Mine has two of the WGS 50 watt Invaders installed. Cab just sounds/looks fantastic. __________________ Gibson Les Paul Trad Pro -Re-Wind injected 97' Gibson Les Paul Custom Shop Standard - Darkburst 74 Marshall JMP 50 MK II - Bernadette 68 Plexi Clone - Rockitt Retro (Thanks Kevin) Sour Mash 2x12 Marshall Clone w/WGS Invaders Marshall 1961B 2X12 Wampler Faux Sring Reverb Mojo Hand FX Bayou Trem Fulltone Plimsoul Bogner Ecstacy Blue BMF Effects El Jefe Fulltone Deluxe Clyde Wah Korg Blackout Tuner Voodoo Labs PP 2 George L/Lava/Mogami Cables

08-20-2012, 01:13 PM	#17 (permalink)
diesect20022000 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 16,631	Re: your final word on WGS speakers I also like that they're "local" USA speakers.

08-20-2012, 09:18 PM	#20 (permalink)
Billyblades Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Holy Grail Tone , Md. USA Posts: 2,802	Re: your final word on WGS speakers Wow... wgs gets alot of love! 50watt,,, you are like "15" minutes away from my shop. I would love to film a sound demo of your invader 50's. My shop is right down the street and i got hella amps to plug into. i would love to hear them with my Marshalls especially since they are my main amps. Thursdays are always that boring day in the middle of the week when everyone stays home. We could get you down here & let people hear them on the forum! I got an awesome unmodded 2203,,, my "billybladesdapirate " marshall mods lol,,, splawn,,, boogie mk3,,, carvin, engl,, ok my finger is tired ") Collecting and studying great tone is my drug! Costs alot less too __________________ I am Anarchy ! WWW.FLAMINGDRAGONTATTOOS.COM www.Billyblades.net

08-20-2012, 09:23 PM	#21 (permalink)
Billyblades Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Holy Grail Tone , Md. USA Posts: 2,802	Re: your final word on WGS speakers 7-10 minutes if you get all green lights __________________ I am Anarchy ! WWW.FLAMINGDRAGONTATTOOS.COM www.Billyblades.net

08-24-2012, 11:16 AM	#23 (permalink)
Billyblades Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Holy Grail Tone , Md. USA Posts: 2,802	Re: your final word on WGS speakers Dude, nice video! I can hear the "new" in them. I can hear the celestion vibe in them __________________ I am Anarchy ! WWW.FLAMINGDRAGONTATTOOS.COM www.Billyblades.net

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