Firewood or rebuild?

guitarnie · 03-05-2012, 11:03 PM

First post long time lurker.
Anyway have had this cab that I forgot about.
I found it the other day looking for something else.
Dude I got it from said it was pre 70's.
Some Tard decided to turn it to a "B" from a Slant.
I knocked the ratty baffle out and got sidetracked for 6 or 7 years.
Need some advice if it is trash or worth bringing back to life?
Thanks in advance.

diesect20022000 · 03-05-2012, 11:07 PM

well it isn't going to be worth money if you do either but if you want a cab from the 70's up and running do it up.

it's up to your personal choice basicaly.

brp · 03-05-2012, 11:18 PM

Define "worth it".

If you need or want a cab and the wood is solid, do it up!

You can't burn wood that old that's still in good shape (no rot, major splits etc.)
Seems a damn shame to anyway.
Seems to be in good structural shape from the pics.

guitarnie · 03-05-2012, 11:25 PM

It is solid and the handles and back are good to go. Hoping somebody can tell exactly what year it is.

Hillcountry · 03-06-2012, 05:55 PM

Restore it. No need to waste it. You will be happy you did. I have restored worse and you will feel a huge sense of accomplishment. Burning it would be a waste.

Just my thoughts though...

Micky · 03-06-2012, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Restore it. No need to waste it. You will be happy you did. I have restored worse and you will feel a huge sense of accomplishment. Burning it would be a waste.

Just my thoughts though...

+1

I rebuilt a severely water-damaged and broken full stack.
Well worth it in my opinion...

george76 · 03-08-2012, 09:17 AM

guitarnie I have sent you a PM.

pedecamp · 03-08-2012, 09:47 PM

If its solid and you need it fix it. Throw some tolex on it will look like new.

JohnH · 03-09-2012, 10:31 PM

If you want to get it going but not ready to tackle tolex, some flat-black chalk-board or stove-black paint will tidy it up, and not impede any future attempt at tolex.
I'd definitly do it. You'll have a great sounding cab for a few $ plus the speakers
John

Phildog · 03-14-2012, 09:02 PM

Ha Ha! Let ME find a cab that needs restoration. I'd have a really nice cab in no time. And there's nothing wrong with having a spare either.

Ken · 03-16-2012, 02:37 PM

Not to be a wet blanket, but if the cabinet front was cut down to create a flush "B" style front from an "A", it's not going to be worth much even restored. You'll spend a fortune on period speakers, labor, etc. and while you'll have a nice cabinet when you're done, you'll be under water on the value because collectors will want it looking original even if it's restored. So only restore it if you intend to use it, not to make money.

That being said, if the handles are metal, they're worth a lot...over $100 each. Someone can chime in on that.

Ken

Blueslicks · 03-16-2012, 03:20 PM

"That being said, if the handles are metal, they're worth a lot...over $100 each. Someone can chime in on that."

Yup. I was gonna say...

If I was you I would salvage screws, plastic corners, handles, backboard...really anything original off of it and sell as parts. Like Ken said, those handles are worth money for sure. Make sure you DO NOT attempt to "clean" anything up. Leave the parts as is rust, blemishes and all. You will seriously degrade the value of parts if you end up trying to scrub rust, polish metal etc. Try to find out the period correct date of the cab and make sure the existing parts and hardware are of matching date. Chances are some screws and pieces have been replaced but maybe not. Even the speaker jack plate is worth something to someone if it is truly vintage. In the end, you should be able to buy a nice new cab with the money earned after selling off those parts.

Hillcountry · 03-16-2012, 07:19 PM

That cabinet it restorable...I've seen worse. It looks like a filler strip was put in to use a straight baffle, but the cab does not seem cut down or altered in any major way. I suppose you could part it out...or you could turn it into a re-tolexed vintage cab.

Ken · 03-16-2012, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

That cabinet it restorable...I've seen worse. It looks like a filler strip was put in to use a straight baffle, but the cab does not seem cut down or altered in any major way. .

I couldn't really tell, but if the cab retains its original shape, then restoring it makes a little more sense. Again you'll sink a lot of money in it to get it right. If you want a vintage cab, no problem, go for it! Just be aware it's a labor of love, not profit. Parting it out and selling what's left might net a surprising sum, so it's to be considered.

Ken

Hillcountry · 03-17-2012, 09:10 AM

Ken makes a good point...it will take time and money. If you have both it is worth restoring...if not...part it out. I have kept too many cabs for far too long under the guise of "Someday I will restore this." That being said, I always find restorations to be very satisfying.

GreaserMatt · 04-16-2012, 11:13 AM

I'd save it; how many of them do you see for sale? You could always just throw in some 75's until you find a deal on some orig greenbacks? Just a thought. Is there any place that sells slant baffles though???

Macro · 04-16-2012, 01:08 PM

If it were me, I'd restore it.

Luvverly Joobly · 04-17-2012, 04:37 PM

i would restore it, red, purple or white tolex.

metromutt · 04-18-2012, 05:47 AM

Actually you have REALLY rare metal handles on that cab

When marshall switched from the top handles to putting metal recessed handles in the sides of their cabs in '67, they used metal handles with a slightly thinner vertical side edges like yours!!!!
In '68 they changed to a wider flange as shown here and these carried on until plastic handles in 71/72 ...so yours were only really made for a year as opposed to 4 years for the wider ones...

So very valuable to a collector!!! if I were you I'd put the handles on ebay, you'll get a better coverage plus offer to post overseas... if the right people are watching you might get a shed load of cash

Reckless_Life · 04-21-2012, 04:48 AM

I'd keep the handles and the rest is firewood.

The handles can be used to replace the newer plastic handles.
This is my opinion : I think the "collector" value of a handle is overrated. Especially at $100 for a handle? Come on. It's a steel handle.
A new steel handle costs a lot less and you won't noticed the difference because it will do exactly the same as the old handle...nothing

If there's a guy offering $200 for those handles you should take the offer, but I think you'll be old and grey when that day comes

Blueslicks · 04-21-2012, 10:59 AM

"If there's a guy offering $200 for those handles you should take the offer, but I think you'll be old and grey when that day comes"

I'd have to disagree.

People restoring vintage gear will pay that no question. I've seen homa casters go for $100 EACH on ebay.

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You could certainly buy a brand new set of 4 Marshall casters for that price or even some generic brand for less yet most people want a restore period correct. He will EASILY get minimum $50 a handle and probably more if he is patient.

metromutt · 04-21-2012, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reckless_Life

A new steel handle costs a lot less and you won't noticed the difference because it will do exactly the same as the old handle...nothing

That did make me laugh, do you apply the same principle to a '68 superlead and a new reissue

they both amplify the sound!

I still think (if he's still around) putting them on ebay would get a good price if advertised well, you'd be surprised how much these things can go for even if it is 'just a handle' ...I'd pay $100 for some

george76 · 04-21-2012, 02:04 PM

I think the OP is long gone. I offered to buy the whole cabinet ages ago to restore but got no response.

Its worth restoring the whole thing properly, not just stripping it for the handles and burning the rest.

too many people are doing that thesedays in my opinion. just a shame. some people have no respect for vintage gear and keeping things intact. they just see dollar signs with the stripped parts.

Ken · 04-21-2012, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by george76

I Its worth restoring the whole thing properly, not just stripping it for the handles and burning the rest. .

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'd like to quantify this. That cabinet needs a LOT of work. If you farmed it out, what would it cost to do a nice restoration? And what would this cabinet then fetch in the market?

I don't have the confidence to put numbers on it myself but I'm curious to hear people's informed opinions. My hunch is the cabinet as a restoration project would only fetch well under $1k...$5-600? An original with warts and all will usually sell for more than a recreation based on just old plywood and metal handles.

Point being, parting it out will net a fairly nice sum. Does the actual value increase with a resotration enough to recoup the expense, or is it still worth only the original hardware?

Ken

george76 · 04-21-2012, 05:56 PM

your right theres not much profit in restoring that particular one. but the point is its a rare and vintage cab that should be saved if possible, not scrapped.

so long as the job is done well by someone with experience, it will hold a good value when restored. but not if its done sloppily.

the biggest problem with that one is the missing baffle. im assuming its missing anyway, its not pictured. so one would have to be built.

but the rest of it is just a straight forward restore. bit of wood work to address the dog eared edges and road wear and then recover it.

Reckless_Life · 04-22-2012, 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metromutt

That did make me laugh, do you apply the same principle to a '68 superlead and a new reissue

they both amplify the sound!

I don't think you got my point, what you suggest is something completely different.
An amp is an actively functioning device and its result totally depends on how well that amp functions.
Unlike a steel handle, which is a passive thing. Compared to a new steel handle, an old handle doesn't add a thing to your setup or sound.

But hey, if people pay $200 for two old and blemished handles, by all means sell it to them. I just think it's ridiculous for that amount of money

dreyn77 · 04-22-2012, 07:45 AM

yeah i would certainly restore the pants on that woman walking up the stairs. Oh aaah wrong answer sorry! no I would take those skinny nickers off that oohh ahh wrong answer again! burn chipboard MDF etc... plywood must be restored!!!! by you or someone else! and when she gets to the top of those stairs i think you should restore the POLL so we can see her sliding down as well.

GIBSON67 · 04-23-2012, 09:20 AM

To me there's too much to do on restoring that thing. No speakers, missing baffle, no tolex, no badges or tags...too many $$$ needed to add non-original parts.

If you shop vintage parts then you'll be paying high dollars, too. I wouldn't do it, I'd restore it cheaply for my own personal use by selling those handles to fund what I could.

guitarnie · 07-02-2012, 10:28 PM

I am not gone, I forgot about this post. The cab was not cut down, the baffle was removed and a straight baffle was half ass installed.
The cab is rock solid with no rot or cracks.
If I rebuilt it, I would put some V30's or 75's in it. I could not justify correct era greenbacks. (or afford)
Anybody know exactly what plywood was used for the baffle?
Thanks for all the advice.

Ken · 07-03-2012, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guitarnie

If I rebuilt it, I would put some V30's or 75's in it. I could not justify correct era greenbacks. (or afford)
e.

You can do that, but be aware if you ever want to sell it, the buyer will figure he'll have to remove the incorrect speakers and have to buy greenbacks himself. Therefore he will only pay what an empty cabinet is worth. So you might as well sell it empty and save your investment in the speakers if you decide to sell.

An incorrect vintage piece in any genera is upsetting to me though. Like putting a Chevy engine in a 1962 Ferrari...it's tacky at best and kind of a fraud at worst. I really think you should either save up and do it right, or sell is as is/part it out.

Ken

03-05-2012, 11:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
guitarnie Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Atlanta Posts: 15	Firewood or rebuild? First post long time lurker. Anyway have had this cab that I forgot about. I found it the other day looking for something else. Dude I got it from said it was pre 70's. Some Tard decided to turn it to a "B" from a Slant. I knocked the ratty baffle out and got sidetracked for 6 or 7 years. Need some advice if it is trash or worth bringing back to life? Thanks in advance.

03-05-2012, 11:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
diesect20022000 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 16,631	Re: Firewood or rebuild? well it isn't going to be worth money if you do either but if you want a cab from the 70's up and running do it up. it's up to your personal choice basicaly.

03-05-2012, 11:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
brp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 4,075	Re: Firewood or rebuild? Define "worth it". If you need or want a cab and the wood is solid, do it up! You can't burn wood that old that's still in good shape (no rot, major splits etc.) Seems a damn shame to anyway. Seems to be in good structural shape from the pics. __________________ Recommended: On Floor Audio mods by HOT TUBES 70, Martimus Maximus tubes from MartyStrat54, NOS tubes from RiverRatt -- My Studio -- "If we can't laugh at the dead, we have no business killing people"

03-05-2012, 11:25 PM	#4 (permalink)
guitarnie Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Atlanta Posts: 15	Re: Firewood or rebuild? It is solid and the handles and back are good to go. Hoping somebody can tell exactly what year it is.

03-06-2012, 05:55 PM	#5 (permalink)
Hillcountry Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: North Andover, MA Posts: 258	Re: Firewood or rebuild? Restore it. No need to waste it. You will be happy you did. I have restored worse and you will feel a huge sense of accomplishment. Burning it would be a waste. Just my thoughts though... Wycked Lester, blues_n_cues, The Ozzk and 1 others like this. __________________ Amps: JTM45 Clone Super-lead circuit with 2x6v6 power section 18 watt clone 2x12 combo Fender Pro Reverb built from scratch Guitars: A couple LPs a couple Strats and an SG. Current board: Wah, TS-9, BB1 clone, amps

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03-08-2012, 09:17 AM	#7 (permalink)
george76 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 735	Re: Firewood or rebuild? guitarnie I have sent you a PM.

03-08-2012, 09:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
pedecamp Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 2,405	Re: Firewood or rebuild? If its solid and you need it fix it. Throw some tolex on it will look like new.

03-09-2012, 10:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
JohnH Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Wilton NSW Posts: 1,702	Re: Firewood or rebuild? If you want to get it going but not ready to tackle tolex, some flat-black chalk-board or stove-black paint will tidy it up, and not impede any future attempt at tolex. I'd definitly do it. You'll have a great sounding cab for a few $ plus the speakers John __________________ DSL401 Crate Powerblock 1 x 12 Vintage 30 cab '76 Shergold Masquerader '91 Les Paul Studio '83 Roadstar '10 American Special Strat HSS

03-14-2012, 09:02 PM	#10 (permalink)
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03-16-2012, 02:37 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ken Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arlington Heights, IL Posts: 6,249	Re: Firewood or rebuild? Not to be a wet blanket, but if the cabinet front was cut down to create a flush "B" style front from an "A", it's not going to be worth much even restored. You'll spend a fortune on period speakers, labor, etc. and while you'll have a nice cabinet when you're done, you'll be under water on the value because collectors will want it looking original even if it's restored. So only restore it if you intend to use it, not to make money. That being said, if the handles are metal, they're worth a lot...over $100 each. Someone can chime in on that. Ken Quasar-Kid likes this. __________________ 1999 Marshall DSL 50 Music Man 65 Reverb late 1970's (?) Late 1970's (?) Fender Champ Marshall battery amp 1980 Model 1982A 4x12 cabinet G12H-80's 444 cones 1983 Model 1982B 4x12 cabinet G12-80's 444 cones PRO 4x12 from the 1970's Woodson 2x12 1976 Les Paul Standard Epiphone Les Paul knockoff ESP Lawsuit Explorer 1979 Chiquita Travel Guitar 1995 Taylor 310

03-16-2012, 03:20 PM	#12 (permalink)
Blueslicks Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 339	Re: Firewood or rebuild? "That being said, if the handles are metal, they're worth a lot...over $100 each. Someone can chime in on that." Yup. I was gonna say... If I was you I would salvage screws, plastic corners, handles, backboard...really anything original off of it and sell as parts. Like Ken said, those handles are worth money for sure. Make sure you DO NOT attempt to "clean" anything up. Leave the parts as is rust, blemishes and all. You will seriously degrade the value of parts if you end up trying to scrub rust, polish metal etc. Try to find out the period correct date of the cab and make sure the existing parts and hardware are of matching date. Chances are some screws and pieces have been replaced but maybe not. Even the speaker jack plate is worth something to someone if it is truly vintage. In the end, you should be able to buy a nice new cab with the money earned after selling off those parts.

03-16-2012, 07:19 PM	#13 (permalink)
Hillcountry Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: North Andover, MA Posts: 258	Re: Firewood or rebuild? That cabinet it restorable...I've seen worse. It looks like a filler strip was put in to use a straight baffle, but the cab does not seem cut down or altered in any major way. I suppose you could part it out...or you could turn it into a re-tolexed vintage cab. __________________ Amps: JTM45 Clone Super-lead circuit with 2x6v6 power section 18 watt clone 2x12 combo Fender Pro Reverb built from scratch Guitars: A couple LPs a couple Strats and an SG. Current board: Wah, TS-9, BB1 clone, amps

03-17-2012, 09:10 AM	#15 (permalink)
Hillcountry Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: North Andover, MA Posts: 258	Re: Firewood or rebuild? Ken makes a good point...it will take time and money. If you have both it is worth restoring...if not...part it out. I have kept too many cabs for far too long under the guise of "Someday I will restore this." That being said, I always find restorations to be very satisfying. Ken likes this. __________________ Amps: JTM45 Clone Super-lead circuit with 2x6v6 power section 18 watt clone 2x12 combo Fender Pro Reverb built from scratch Guitars: A couple LPs a couple Strats and an SG. Current board: Wah, TS-9, BB1 clone, amps

04-16-2012, 11:13 AM	#16 (permalink)
GreaserMatt Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 107	Re: Firewood or rebuild? I'd save it; how many of them do you see for sale? You could always just throw in some 75's until you find a deal on some orig greenbacks? Just a thought. Is there any place that sells slant baffles though??? __________________ '86 JCM800 2204 (red) '82 anniv series 4x12 cab (white) '67 BF fender bassman

04-16-2012, 01:08 PM	#17 (permalink)
Macro Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: The land of cheesesteaks and soft pretzels Posts: 992	Re: Firewood or rebuild? If it were me, I'd restore it. __________________ *Pretending to play guitar since 1989*

04-17-2012, 04:37 PM	#18 (permalink)
Luvverly Joobly Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: West Mids, U.K Posts: 298	Re: Firewood or rebuild? i would restore it, red, purple or white tolex. Quasar-Kid likes this. __________________

04-18-2012, 05:47 AM	#19 (permalink)
metromutt Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 227	Re: Firewood or rebuild? Actually you have REALLY rare metal handles on that cab When marshall switched from the top handles to putting metal recessed handles in the sides of their cabs in '67, they used metal handles with a slightly thinner vertical side edges like yours!!!! In '68 they changed to a wider flange as shown here and these carried on until plastic handles in 71/72 ...so yours were only really made for a year as opposed to 4 years for the wider ones... So very valuable to a collector!!! if I were you I'd put the handles on ebay, you'll get a better coverage plus offer to post overseas... if the right people are watching you might get a shed load of cash Ken likes this.

04-21-2012, 04:48 AM	#20 (permalink)
Reckless_Life Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 703	Re: Firewood or rebuild? I'd keep the handles and the rest is firewood. The handles can be used to replace the newer plastic handles. This is my opinion : I think the "collector" value of a handle is overrated. Especially at $100 for a handle? Come on. It's a steel handle. A new steel handle costs a lot less and you won't noticed the difference because it will do exactly the same as the old handle...nothing If there's a guy offering $200 for those handles you should take the offer, but I think you'll be old and grey when that day comes __________________ 1984 Marshall JCM 800 2203 1984 Marshall JCM 800 2204C 1988 Marshall JCM 800 2205 1990 Marshall JCM 800 2210 2007 Marshall JCM 800 2203KK Peavey Bandit 112S TT (1st gen) Peavey 5150

04-21-2012, 10:59 AM	#21 (permalink)
Blueslicks Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 339	Re: Firewood or rebuild? "If there's a guy offering $200 for those handles you should take the offer, but I think you'll be old and grey when that day comes" I'd have to disagree. People restoring vintage gear will pay that no question. I've seen homa casters go for $100 EACH on ebay. eBay - New & used electronics, cars, apparel, collectibles, sporting goods & more at low prices Marshall JMP 4x12 cab Gold casters Homa complete set \| eBay You could certainly buy a brand new set of 4 Marshall casters for that price or even some generic brand for less yet most people want a restore period correct. He will EASILY get minimum $50 a handle and probably more if he is patient.

04-21-2012, 02:04 PM	#23 (permalink)
george76 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 735	Re: Firewood or rebuild? I think the OP is long gone. I offered to buy the whole cabinet ages ago to restore but got no response. Its worth restoring the whole thing properly, not just stripping it for the handles and burning the rest. too many people are doing that thesedays in my opinion. just a shame. some people have no respect for vintage gear and keeping things intact. they just see dollar signs with the stripped parts.

04-21-2012, 05:56 PM	#25 (permalink)
george76 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 735	Re: Firewood or rebuild? your right theres not much profit in restoring that particular one. but the point is its a rare and vintage cab that should be saved if possible, not scrapped. so long as the job is done well by someone with experience, it will hold a good value when restored. but not if its done sloppily. the biggest problem with that one is the missing baffle. im assuming its missing anyway, its not pictured. so one would have to be built. but the rest of it is just a straight forward restore. bit of wood work to address the dog eared edges and road wear and then recover it. Quasar-Kid likes this.

04-22-2012, 07:45 AM	#27 (permalink)
dreyn77 Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 996	Re: Firewood or rebuild? yeah i would certainly restore the pants on that woman walking up the stairs. Oh aaah wrong answer sorry! no I would take those skinny nickers off that oohh ahh wrong answer again! burn chipboard MDF etc... plywood must be restored!!!! by you or someone else! and when she gets to the top of those stairs i think you should restore the POLL so we can see her sliding down as well. Quasar-Kid likes this.

04-23-2012, 09:20 AM	#28 (permalink)
GIBSON67 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lakeland, TN Posts: 3,303	Re: Firewood or rebuild? To me there's too much to do on restoring that thing. No speakers, missing baffle, no tolex, no badges or tags...too many $$$ needed to add non-original parts. If you shop vintage parts then you'll be paying high dollars, too. I wouldn't do it, I'd restore it cheaply for my own personal use by selling those handles to fund what I could.

07-02-2012, 10:28 PM	#29 (permalink)
guitarnie Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Atlanta Posts: 15	Re: Firewood or rebuild? I am not gone, I forgot about this post. The cab was not cut down, the baffle was removed and a straight baffle was half ass installed. The cab is rock solid with no rot or cracks. If I rebuilt it, I would put some V30's or 75's in it. I could not justify correct era greenbacks. (or afford) Anybody know exactly what plywood was used for the baffle? Thanks for all the advice.

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