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Unread 12-18-2010, 01:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
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front loaded vs rear loaded cabs

Hey guys. I just wanted to know the sound difference and the technical difference between front loaded and rear loaded cabinets. And In front loaded cabs, are the speakers closer to the grill cloth? Btw, I play death metal, and I like punchy articulat sounds. And I saw that ENGL and Diezel now do front loaded cabs
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Unread 12-18-2010, 03:28 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: front loaded vs rear loaded cabs

Hi.

Front loaded a is superior cab design, but in a case like Marshall cab grille cloth, unbelievably expensive to make.

The sound differences are none, if the construction is solid on both styles.

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Re: front loaded vs rear loaded cabs

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Front loaded a is superior cab design, but in a case like Marshall cab grille cloth, unbelievably expensive to make.

The sound differences are none, if the construction is solid on both styles.

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I'm going to have to disagree with this. A friend had me check out his Peavey PA column. Sounded like the horn was out or something. It was a front load speaker enclosure with a velcro'd grill. The back to the cabinet was not removable. To get to the wires you had to reach in through the speaker holes. Seemed to be a real cheap way of making a cabinet. So... it is my belief that front loaded speaker enclosures can be made without a lot of additional expense. Further more it is my understanding that since front loaded speakers are mounted closer to the user/audience without having any deflection at all other than the grill cloth, the speakers should sound different. Weather they sound better or not is up to the person using them. I am guessing that the sound would be less laser like and fill the room better. Hey Marshall Cabs are ment for the big rooms.
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Re: front loaded vs rear loaded cabs

thanks guys. but i doubt its a cheap way of doing it if the ENGL and Diezel cabs are made that way. and they probably both put out alot, i'm just not sure in sound differences.

huh look at this here. a diezel cab with the front baffle removed
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Unread 12-18-2010, 04:36 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: front loaded vs rear loaded cabs

I didn't say your cabinet was cheaply made if anything I was dissing Peavey. Rock on dude with that killer cab.

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Re: front loaded vs rear loaded cabs

Hey Mike,

I have a "Road" 4-12 made by Korg in the 70's that is front loaded. It is much more "punchy" than my rear loaded Marshall cabs, and carries a lot more bass response as well.



It is built like a brick sh*t house as well. It looks to be similar in build and dimensions to your Diezel.
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Unread 12-18-2010, 05:49 PM   #7 (permalink)
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thanks guys. but i doubt its a cheap way of doing it if the ENGL and Diezel cabs are made that way.
Off topic a bit, but I have to take exception to this.

If ANY company can save money, especially a company that has become a little bigger, they will eventually find a way to cut costs and increase the bottom line. So if front loading saves them a few bucks a cab, it may become the norm....not something based on sound or sonic properties.

That being said, that cab looks great and I'm sure it sounds good. Only thing about front loaded cabs with no removable rear baffle is like eddie says: Harder to service perhaps if you need to get to wiring/jacks. Beyond that, if it sounds good, Rock It!
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Off topic a bit, but I have to take exception to this.

If ANY company can save money, especially a company that has become a little bigger, they will eventually find a way to cut costs and increase the bottom line. So if front loading saves them a few bucks a cab, it may become the norm....not something based on sound or sonic properties.

That being said, that cab looks great and I'm sure it sounds good. Only thing about front loaded cabs with no removable rear baffle is like eddie says: Harder to service perhaps if you need to get to wiring/jacks. Beyond that, if it sounds good, Rock It!
right on bro. yeah they also make a rear loaded cab. they are the same price, but they say good things about the Front Loaded version
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Re: front loaded vs rear loaded cabs

If things are equal equal - I REPEAT - IF ALL THINGS ARE EQUAL, then rear loaded offers more mid scoop, tighter lows. Front offers more mid punch. If you look at the cabinet designs from the 70's and 80's (I'm old enough to have seen them), the cabinet designers started to go rear loaded when metal started to rise in popularity. Several boutique makers will offer both depending on the sound you are after, the speaker used, etc. The difference, like most "sound preferences," is completely subjective. Some makers, like KMD, made cheaper cabinets with front loaded speakers. They could put stamped steel, round, grill covers on the front, seal the rear baffle, and hide the fiber board construction of the cheap cabs. I used to claim to prefer front loaded. Now I just listen to the cab. If I like it, then I buy it. Stay warm in New England! Have a great week, everyone!
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Re: front loaded vs rear loaded cabs

One last note. Sealing the rear panel is not a cheaper way to make cabinets. It does, however, allow for the cabinet to be sealed tighter from the factory, and, if the handles are sealed well and the front baffle is well made, then the speaker cab should be TIGHT.
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Re: front loaded vs rear loaded cabs

hi

it is not cheaper do make a front loaded cabinet.

it is easier to change a speaker from a front loaded cab (only 4 screws)

it is easier to mic it because you see the speaker

it sounds the same
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Re: front loaded vs rear loaded cabs

Also some things to add.
Hi-Fi speakers are mostly front loaded.
Like Mariosoldano mentioned, front loaded speakers are easier to access.
And Alhayesmusic, front loaded cabinets are sealed better.

The problem is that most guitar speakers come with premounted front gaskets which means rear loading. In order to front load these speakers it would cost to special order gasket (kits) or special order rear gasketed speakers for front loading. There are some manufacturers that supply both front and rear gaskets for either type of mounting.
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Re: front loaded vs rear loaded cabs

With rear loading, I think more sound is transferred through the wood thus giving a fuller sound. And to it's easier to make because you don't have to make a separate grill baffle.
And that baffle rattles around sometimes if not done properly.
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Re: front loaded vs rear loaded cabs

I hear a difference with the 1960DM from utube clips. could it be that they have turned the amp up?
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I've always felt one of the biggest tonal differences with front load was the fact that the steel chassis sits on the baffle wood as opposed to a cork gasset. Try putting your guitar against a door and strum, then sling a mag between both. Don't try it with a mag full of hooters though.
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Re: front loaded vs rear loaded cabs

I say anyone who thinks they can actually hear a difference should get right to the cork sniffer thread and confess..

You might be a cork sniffer if...
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metromutt, I just got a front loaded cab, and the speakers have the cork on both sides of the metal frame. I guess they made the speakers better back in 1974.
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Re: front loaded vs rear loaded cabs

You can mount speakers from the rear just not in public.
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I say anyone who thinks they can actually hear a difference should get right to the cork sniffer thread and confess..

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Boy, I must have missed this thread in 2010, but I have to say both the old and current comments are really, really bad.

Some of you are actually stating that 3/4 inch difference in the speaker placement makes a sonic difference.

And like Mickeydg5 said, if a speaker is front mounted, it has the appropriate gasket. They do not mount the speaker without a gasket.

Some of you guys are smoking some really good pot.
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Re: front loaded vs rear loaded cabs

Its alot easier to put your screwdriver thru the cone while front mounting. It sucks!! For that reason alone I like rear loading
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Now that's a valid point.
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Re: front loaded vs rear loaded cabs

That is true. If only we lived in a perfect world.

Aluminum cones for everyone!
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Re: front loaded vs rear loaded cabs

The 1974 Peavey 612H cab is front mounted and it has SO MuCH more wide spread of tone than marshall has ever done with their inferior 'speaker only' cab design.
Marshall at 5 degrees, full tone. Peavey at 90 degrees, full tone.
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They are still putting out these 'historical', 'old fashioned', speaker only cabs. Horns amd speakers were being used back in the late 60's! why marshall? lazy?
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What Marshall guitar cab has a horn driver?
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None! so that means marshall is inferior sound!
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The 1974 Peavey 612H cab is front mounted and it has SO MuCH more wide spread of tone than marshall has ever done with their inferior 'speaker only' cab design.
Marshall at 5 degrees, full tone. Peavey at 90 degrees, full tone.
Sounds more like an arguement for open or closed back cabs
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Have you ever seen a frog swim backwards???
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The 1974 Peavey 612H cab is front mounted and it has SO MuCH more wide spread of tone than marshall has ever done with their inferior 'speaker only' cab design.
Marshall at 5 degrees, full tone. Peavey at 90 degrees, full tone.
What?
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