wkcchampion

Just a curiosity.
Do any speakers exist which have the same tone/freq response of a Celestion G12M Greenback, but can stand more than their 25W? Ideally, at least 50.

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Marshall gear :
- JMP-1 midi valve preamp
- 1981 JCM800 1959 SuperLead
- 1983 JCM800 2203
- 1987 Silver Jubilee 2555
- 1969 Basketweave replica with Celestion Pre-Rola G12M 25W T1221

Guitars: 2008 Parker Fly Mojo, 1995 Fly Deluxe "Eldy", 1959 pre-CBS Strat and 1993 ObG 1959 Les Paul replica

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plankbadger

Hi Marco,
Probably what you're looking for is something like this:
Celestion | Guitar Loudspeakers

A G12-65

wkcchampion

Do they have the same Greenback tone? Or do they sound different?

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Marco
http://pregnosplatter.altervista.org/index.html
The Brown Sound is HERE: http://www.marshallforum.com/cellar/...ally-here.html

Marshall gear :
- JMP-1 midi valve preamp
- 1981 JCM800 1959 SuperLead
- 1983 JCM800 2203
- 1987 Silver Jubilee 2555
- 1969 Basketweave replica with Celestion Pre-Rola G12M 25W T1221

Guitars: 2008 Parker Fly Mojo, 1995 Fly Deluxe "Eldy", 1959 pre-CBS Strat and 1993 ObG 1959 Les Paul replica

plankbadger

They have a demo on the site:
http://professional.celestion.com/gu...hael_Lewis.mov

They are more expensive than the Greenbacks BTW.

However, if you are using an EL34 50/50 power amp.
You could use a 2x12 cab with G12-65's rather than a
4x12 cab with G12M Greenbacks.

wkcchampion

Ehm no I use either IRs or especially the Palmer PDI-03!
Pushing a cab is just not an option! I live in a flat and the neighbours will call the police... I no longer have my studio

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http://pregnosplatter.altervista.org/index.html
The Brown Sound is HERE: http://www.marshallforum.com/cellar/...ally-here.html

Marshall gear :
- JMP-1 midi valve preamp
- 1981 JCM800 1959 SuperLead
- 1983 JCM800 2203
- 1987 Silver Jubilee 2555
- 1969 Basketweave replica with Celestion Pre-Rola G12M 25W T1221

Guitars: 2008 Parker Fly Mojo, 1995 Fly Deluxe "Eldy", 1959 pre-CBS Strat and 1993 ObG 1959 Les Paul replica

cicone

Why not slam 8 of 'em into a custom cab? Now, that would rock.

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wkcchampion

I was just askign as info. I will buy no cab in the real workd as the Palmer does that!

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Marco
http://pregnosplatter.altervista.org/index.html
The Brown Sound is HERE: http://www.marshallforum.com/cellar/...ally-here.html

Marshall gear :
- JMP-1 midi valve preamp
- 1981 JCM800 1959 SuperLead
- 1983 JCM800 2203
- 1987 Silver Jubilee 2555
- 1969 Basketweave replica with Celestion Pre-Rola G12M 25W T1221

Guitars: 2008 Parker Fly Mojo, 1995 Fly Deluxe "Eldy", 1959 pre-CBS Strat and 1993 ObG 1959 Les Paul replica

jerryjg

you are relly getting on my nerves. The Vintage 30, a 60 watt speaker, was ironically voiced to be a higher wattage greenback. It failed miserably at that task , but is still a great speaker.
I dont know how many times I have to repeat this to you great unwashed;
G12H/V30 combination crossed in a 4x12 cabinet ! Jeebus Kee-rist!
On the other and, if you have the bread, which I know you don't, then set your sights on a Celestion Gold Cabinet. Youll forget greenback reissues ever existed.
If you cannot afford the Golds, then try a set of G12m-20's. Its the best reissue of the greenbacks yet, although a good brititsh manufactured G12-25 greenback is a very very good speaker.
For those of you willing to go deep and try your expertice with buying old speakers ,and I caution against this unless you really REALLY know what you are doing , as more than likely you will get burned with a bad speaker;
a 4x12 with two old 70' blackbacked greenbacks and two new British reissue g12m-20 heritages will really give you that old 60's brown sound EVH speaker tone!

wkcchampion

Hety buddy calm down. I just asked a question ok?

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http://pregnosplatter.altervista.org/index.html
The Brown Sound is HERE: http://www.marshallforum.com/cellar/...ally-here.html

Marshall gear :
- JMP-1 midi valve preamp
- 1981 JCM800 1959 SuperLead
- 1983 JCM800 2203
- 1987 Silver Jubilee 2555
- 1969 Basketweave replica with Celestion Pre-Rola G12M 25W T1221

Guitars: 2008 Parker Fly Mojo, 1995 Fly Deluxe "Eldy", 1959 pre-CBS Strat and 1993 ObG 1959 Les Paul replica

charveldan

Defeats the purpose.

Landshark

I had heard the g12-80s were suppose to be that way too.

janarn

I just replaced the G12M-20 RI speaker with an original from '66 in my 1974x.
The RI is not close.
I have also A/B tested G12M Heritage, and G12H Heritage with originals from '68.
None of the RI versions are close to the originals.

And the Vintage30 is as far away from vintage sounding as you can get.

wkcchampion

The reissues rarely sound like the original

Yes I don't why the V30 has that name. It's one of the most modern sounding speakers I know of

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http://pregnosplatter.altervista.org/index.html
The Brown Sound is HERE: http://www.marshallforum.com/cellar/...ally-here.html

Marshall gear :
- JMP-1 midi valve preamp
- 1981 JCM800 1959 SuperLead
- 1983 JCM800 2203
- 1987 Silver Jubilee 2555
- 1969 Basketweave replica with Celestion Pre-Rola G12M 25W T1221

Guitars: 2008 Parker Fly Mojo, 1995 Fly Deluxe "Eldy", 1959 pre-CBS Strat and 1993 ObG 1959 Les Paul replica

Lespaulnmarshall

I don't think we need higher wattage greenbacks. 25w is the ideal wattage to get driven by your tube amp.

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Ken

Maybe for a 50 watt amp but I'd be nervous playing a 100 watt amp through four 25 watt greenbacks. The whole "just don't play loud" thing kinda defeats the purpose IMHO. And just curious, why would 25 watt speakers be the best?

Ken

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charveldan

Makes em' scream, just don't turn it past half-way up.

coldsteal2

this is the weirdest threat i have ever read on this forum hahaha


PS the Heritage Reissues are new, and not 30 years old, of course
they dont sound the same.
But for the price you can not beat them.

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Lespaulnmarshall

It's what charveldan said.

BTW I was talking about a 50w amp. For a 100w amp you will need 2 cabs.

True, my 71' blackbacks sound different as a 425A or 1960BX

Nope that's the make up a lie about the previous poster thread.

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Mullard Man

Surprised that no one mentioned the Eminence GB. While it's not exactly a Greenback clone, it does have a Greenback sound with a little tighter bass. It can also handle 50 watts.

Eminence - The Art and Science of Sound

They used to make them in both 8 and 16 ohms, though it seems that only 8 ohms is still available.

coldsteal2

eminence makes great sounding speakers also

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crossroadsnyc

+1

The argument that people make about how heritage reissues don't sound exactly like originals is cork-sniffing garbage ... how on earth could you expect a new speaker to sound like one that has 40 years of use under it's belt? I mean, if you were to buy a new speaker today, it's going to sound different in a year from now, let alone 40+. Not to mention the fact that these "originals" were brand new at the time ... they didn't sound the same at the time that they do now after 40 years of use.

It's the same argument you hear about the Gibson Les Paul. You have a whole raft full of cork-sniffers who claim the only way to achieve that "original" LP tone is to own an original that has some "mojo" (I hate that word) to it ... though, they neglect to consider the fact that they were primarily new guitars at the time.

Anyway, the price is a bit steep, but I agree that you can't beat them for a current production speaker. Tits on a stick, man ... tits on a stick.

janarn

It is not cork sniffing, when the RI speakers are made to meet the tonal demand of todays amps,
instead of making the sound as close to the originals as possible.
Maybe the idea is to sell more speakers if they are voiced that way.

Both of you should should take contact with Jim at Southbay Ampworks.
He has makes reissues called Scumbacks, and Scumnicos.
They sound like Greenbacks and Alnicos should.

wkcchampion

oooooooooooooooooh I was waiting to hear for this!

But some facts are true: for example, modern Marshall reissues have different components (like transformers) from the originals.

But for speakers it's absoultely true.

I actually love the word "Mojo", as one of my Flys is named like that

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http://pregnosplatter.altervista.org/index.html
The Brown Sound is HERE: http://www.marshallforum.com/cellar/...ally-here.html

Marshall gear :
- JMP-1 midi valve preamp
- 1981 JCM800 1959 SuperLead
- 1983 JCM800 2203
- 1987 Silver Jubilee 2555
- 1969 Basketweave replica with Celestion Pre-Rola G12M 25W T1221

Guitars: 2008 Parker Fly Mojo, 1995 Fly Deluxe "Eldy", 1959 pre-CBS Strat and 1993 ObG 1959 Les Paul replica

rykus

i don't even know why anyone bothers with re issue's, there stupid expensive and old cabs and speaker pop up all over for pretty cheap on cl and ebay, speacialy now the economy scarin of all the gear hoarders. buy vintage.... although i have been tempted to try the celestion golds for my 100 watters as the green backs try and jump out of my cab every time i push about 7 on the volumes..... but every time i get close another old 4x12 comes up with more greenbacks for just a couple hundred more.but danmit they are startin to crowd the living room.

flyjones

Here are two possibilities for you to investigate.

Go to Weber Speakers - Making the world a bit louder each day.
Click on "Weber Speakers" on the left side.
Clicik on "British Series" on the left side.
Under the "12" Models" and "Ceramic" click on "Silver Bell"
They offer wattages of 15, 30, 50, 75, and 100 watts.

Also take a look at the following:

Scumback Speakers: Simply The Best

These are all celestion voiced replicas available in different wattages and styles.

I am currently using a 75 watt Weber alnico Blue dog, thier Vox voiced speaker, with a 65 watt Scumback Scumnico, alnico speaker in my 1936 cabinet. I am going to order a 75 watt Weber alnico Silver bell to try as well.

The alnico speakers are smoother and break up sooner than ceramic. Also the high end gets smoother as you hit it harder. In my opinion, anlico speakers are great when you want that cranked Marshall sound at a lower volume. Plus they help mitigate the icepick sound you can get with ceramic speakers. Alnico speakers cost twice as much as ceramic, but it is worth it to me to get the sound I want.