Dear Europeans, how many hours do you work in a 7 day week? - Page 3

Skotosynthesis · 07-04-2012, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by elcid

I think our first year apprentices are around $14/hr plus benefits.

damn, are all you guys techs??

elcid · 07-04-2012, 07:51 PM

Im an electrician in what may be the lowest paid classification

thrawn86 · 07-04-2012, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by elcid

Man you get screwed. I take it you arent union.

I suppose a union job would be great......if you lived in a multi-million person population center. I do not. A lot of guys I know that are part of unions for the drywall industry can't hack it for very long without heading into the SF Bay area, if not SoCal. Fine if you don't mind living there.

As far as being 'screwed,' I don't think so. Only so much money in an area like mine. Can't expect to make what a doctor or lawyer hauls in in this area. My employer can't afford a lot of stuff like that, and I'm fine with it.....I'm one of very few who've survived the economic implosion and been able to stay at work very near full time. Having to pay out benefits like PV and SL might cost one of us a job. I can live with that.

It's about toughening up in this economy. And then the end will come.

CaptainZero · 07-04-2012, 08:08 PM

Skoto, and anyone else, you've got to start networking. The only way to get ahead is by knowing someone. It may be by working somewhere for a while and getting in good with a manager, but it's everywhere else too. It's all who you know!

There is a great book out there, pretty old now, called 'Rich Dad, Poor Dad' that can really help you change the way you think about jobs and life in general. I would highly recommend checking it out. Not to necessarily get into real estate like he did, but it will help in all aspects of anyone's career. I'm sure doing dishes at Hooter's has it benies

but it still has to suck, especially with a dickhead for a boss.

Skotosynthesis · 07-04-2012, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainZero

Skoto, and anyone else, you've got to start networking. The only way to get ahead is by knowing someone. It may be by working somewhere for a while and getting in good with a manager, but it's everywhere else too. It's all who you know!

There is a great book out there, pretty old now, called 'Rich Dad, Poor Dad' that can really help you change the way you think about jobs and life in general. I would highly recommend checking it out. Not to necessarily get into real estate like he did, but it will help in all aspects of anyone's career. I'm sure doing dishes at Hooter's has it benies

but it still has to suck, especially with a dickhead for a boss.

Yeah, these are some of my coworkers.

I mop that floor they're standing on.

Marshallmaniac · 07-04-2012, 08:21 PM

I agree with the Kiyosaki book, except many people don't get it and think it's full of shit. (I was banned from TGP for talking about the book..) so that was just one of the lessons that taught me most people couldn't really give a shit about trying to get ahead, they just wanted to continue on what they were already doing.

I think it's great! And I have most of his books, as well as many others of the same vein. Another one by (I think?) Tim Ferris called the 4 hour work week is interesting, but it didn't work for me. Principles are what I aim for, but his way of getting there isn't for me. The guy has done some really amazing things in his life by bending the 'rules' of modern day society and basically just does what he wants while making a heap of cash. My favourite book is one by Ed Chan called 'how to achieve wealth for life' but it's made for Aussie real estate so don't rush out and buy it if you live overseas.

There are a few types of people when it comes to finance (IMO anyway)

1. The bludger. The bludger couldn't give a shit, period. He doesn't have dreams, or money. But usually has a large DVD collection!

2. The employee. Typically has a strong work ethic and is happy with the stability working provides, working hard for a living and sense of accomplishment are things the employee prides himself on. Usually spends all he earns on just getting by and retires with little unfortunately because the system doesn't work well in terms of effort/reward. The Boss however usually makes money

3. Business owners/self employed. There is money to be made, although many blow everything they earn no matter how much and end up with bugger all. Others will do the opposite and make a fortune for life

4. Investors. Can be business owners or employees. Successful, driven ones will find financial stability that keeps growing stronger over time, ones without the will won't make it that far

Summary: Whatever one you are, your aim should be to have some sort of money to live on if you stop working. If your earnings are more than your expenditure then you're financially free. If that means you have to move to Bali then you're still free.. Many of us could sell all we own and move to one of these countries and live like a King for the rest of our days! Or even just for a few years, it's all possible. But only if you want to

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Originally Posted by CaptainZero

Skoto, and anyone else, you've got to start networking. The only way to get ahead is by knowing someone. It may be by working somewhere for a while and getting in good with a manager, but it's everywhere else too. It's all who you know!

There is a great book out there, pretty old now, called 'Rich Dad, Poor Dad' that can really help you change the way you think about jobs and life in general. I would highly recommend checking it out. Not to necessarily get into real estate like he did, but it will help in all aspects of anyone's career. I'm sure doing dishes at Hooter's has it benies

but it still has to suck, especially with a dickhead for a boss.

Maggot Brain · 07-05-2012, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bulldozer1984

I know you said Europe but us Aussies have the same deal. Although, overtime is paid at double time after the first 3 hours of time and a half.

Our standard work week is 38 hours. So we work 4 x 8 hr days and then get an RDO every month or some places (like my work) give you a 6 hr Friday.

But yeh pay isn't that great I'm on $31/hr so I do roughly 12 hrs overtime a week just to live comfortably.

$31/hr "JUST" to live comfortably?!?! haahahahahahah! Myself and a lot of close family are making close to about $15/hr at the most and live decently comfortable.

Damn.

mk2 steve · 07-05-2012, 04:00 AM

I used to work 45 hours a week as a truck driver, technically with a 45 minute tachograph break, but would quite often have to work through that break to get everything done. Some days I'd get back to the yard at 7pm (started work at 7am)

Holme · 07-05-2012, 04:00 AM

Yeah but Bulldozer has got 'teh Slash tonez!'

Ewlman · 07-05-2012, 04:51 AM

I used to work night shift at the local port 11,5h/night with 1/2h unpaid break, 3 nights in a row then 3 nights off. Over a 2 month period the average per week were something like 42h (some overtime here and there). 4 weeks paid vacation.

Söulcaster · 07-05-2012, 07:20 AM

I rob banks and mug the elderly on pension day =P

Peace

JayCM800 · 07-05-2012, 08:28 PM

Not only how many hours a week, but how many months a year!?!?

I know many europeans (mostly musicians) who only work "seasonal jobs" and spend the rest of the year chilin' on unemployment (and touring with their bands

)

thrawn86 · 07-05-2012, 09:02 PM

How about a long day story?

Once upon a time when I was in my early twenties, the company I was working for needed me to be in the East Bay area of California at a decent time to do some work (that's vague enough). I woke and got the company truck at 4 AM. I drove 4 1/2 hours to the job. I worked all day, and then drove all the way home. I parked the company truck at 12:09 AM. 20 hour day. Sickening to think of now, even though I'll pull 12-14 in this day and age. When I have to. I'm far beyond proving I'm a man. Stuff hurts a little more now.

My longest work week ever was 74 hours in a six day period. It works out to a little over 12 hours/day.

elcid · 07-06-2012, 01:53 AM

We had a 6 story office building for HSBC to do a few years back, towards the end it was 5 twelve hour days, 10 on saturday and 8 on sunday from the week after thanksgiving until the middle of february

longest day was 23 hours 10 minutes from the time i left the house until I got back home. Regular day followed by a cutover in the same building that started right when the first job ended. Would've been a lot shorter but the project manager thought he could save money by not ordering the right material.

diesel king · 07-06-2012, 07:12 AM

I work 12.5 hour shifts, and I work 50 hours in the space of 4 days. But I then get 4 days off. It averages out at 37.5 hours a week. Just crammed into a smaller space to equal more days off.

diesel king · 07-06-2012, 07:13 AM

PS - **** work

Wiseblood · 07-06-2012, 09:00 AM

I think it's central and eastern Europe who (so I've heard) have lighter work weeks...Like Italy and maybe France, Hungary etc...

thrawn86 · 07-06-2012, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by elcid

We had a 6 story office building for HSBC to do a few years back, towards the end it was 5 twelve hour days, 10 on saturday and 8 on sunday from the week after thanksgiving until the middle of february

longest day was 23 hours 10 minutes from the time i left the house until I got back home. Regular day followed by a cutover in the same building that started right when the first job ended. Would've been a lot shorter but the project manager thought he could save money by not ordering the right material.

Those 24 hours are killer. I've done similar things on volunteer projects, but not for work. I have pulled all-nighters due to the fact that you can't get in the building during business hours to do the job. Also been working a lot in the hospitals. OSH-POD, HIPPA, etc. regulations make work slow to a crawl.

Ydna · 07-06-2012, 11:41 PM

I'm working 40-60 hours a week for $11/hr here in the San Francisco Bay Area. I'm trying to find a place, but its rough. A one bedroom apartment and all utilities is $1,000/month in this area AT LEAST. Closer to $1,200-$1,300.

I've sent out dozens of emails to people with rooms and called them and texted them, and I'm getting practically no response. Its ****ing ridiculous. Probably because I don't have any credit established.

thrawn86 · 07-06-2012, 11:43 PM

Ydna, that's hard core man. You got any roomies?

elcid · 07-07-2012, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by thrawn86

Those 24 hours are killer. I've done similar things on volunteer projects, but not for work. I have pulled all-nighters due to the fact that you can't get in the building during business hours to do the job. Also been working a lot in the hospitals. OSH-POD, HIPPA, etc. regulations make work slow to a crawl.

My last contractor only did hospitals. It was a pain in the ass but they pay for it so I couldn't complain.

thrawn86 · 07-07-2012, 12:14 AM

Oh I know. What would normally take me 8 hours is almost automatically 11-12 hours.

Ydna · 07-07-2012, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by thrawn86

Ydna, that's hard core man. You got any roomies?

I've got a friend that lives in the same town that wants to move out of his parent's place, but he isn't in much of a hurry. Besides, I have to commute the opposite way. It wouldn't make any sense to move him to cheaper housing 30 minutes farther away from his work when there is cheaper housing 10-15 minutes from it instead of 45 minutes to an hour commute.

Söulcaster · 07-07-2012, 01:42 AM

Last time I was in Europe, at lunch time everyone stopped work and went home for lunch, all the shops shut. Then a few hours later everyone went back to work again and everything opened back up. The reason being was because lunch is the main meal of the day over there. This was a a few years back, in Malta to be precise....don't know if this is still how they do things in Europe though.

Peace

EDIT as someone else suggested man get a roomie or a rich GF Andy =)

Holme · 07-07-2012, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Söulcaster

Last time I was in Europe, at lunch time everyone stopped work and went home for lunch, all the shops shut. Then a few hours later everyone went back to work again and everything opened back up. The reason being was because lunch is the main meal of the day over there. This was a a few years back, in Malta to be precise....don't know if this is still how they do things in Europe though.

Peace

EDIT as someone else suggested man get a roomie or a rich GF Andy =)

My Dad lives in Malta!
Popeye Village!
They're still the same,very laid back place!

D-Max · 07-07-2012, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Söulcaster

Last time I was in Europe, at lunch time everyone stopped work and went home for lunch, all the shops shut. Then a few hours later everyone went back to work again and everything opened back up. The reason being was because lunch is the main meal of the day over there. This was a a few years back, in Malta to be precise....don't know if this is still how they do things in Europe though.

Due to high temperatures.
Siesta

They also continue to work in the evening.

D-Max · 07-07-2012, 02:07 AM

In the Netherlands a full time workweek is between 32 and 40 hrs.
A nomal working day is 8 hours (excluding lunch time) and the Sunday is free.
A regular workweek is 5 days (mon-fri).
One can have a parttime contract (example:30 hrs in a 40 hr workweek) and work more (like 4 working days = 32 hrs) and build up extra days ("time for time").

Your employer needs to give you 20 paid working days, per year.
This excludes public holidays.
If you have children under 8, your employer must grant you unpaid parental leave when you request it. This up to 26 weeks per child, which can be consumed over the period until your child becomes 8.

Depending on the collective labour agreement (which most employees have) you can have more (un)paid leave. I know people that have 50 days a year (20+30) excluding public holidays and special leave.There can also be special paid leave like for instance when a close family member dies (spouse/child/parent/sister/brother/grandparent) or when your child is born. Depending on your salary scale (and day of week) overtime can be paid or unpaid. When overtime is paid, the percentage is 100% or higher.

Söulcaster · 07-07-2012, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holme

My Dad lives in Malta!
Popeye Village!
They're still the same,very laid back place!

Thats excellent Holmes, I've been to Popeye Village....it was unreal. Malta is one hell of a country....my mother is from Malta.

thrawn86 · 07-07-2012, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-Max

In the Netherlands a full time workweek is between 32 and 40 hrs.
A nomal working day is 8 hours (excluding lunch time) and the Sunday is free.
A regular workweek is 5 days (mon-fri).
One can have a parttime contract (example:30 hrs in a 40 hr workweek) and work more (like 4 working days = 32 hrs) and build up extra days ("time for time").

Your employer needs to give you 20 paid working days, per year.
This excludes public holidays.
If you have children under 8, your employer must grant you unpaid parental leave when you request it. This up to 26 weeks per child, which can be consumed over the period until your child becomes 8.

Depending on the collective labour agreement (which most employees have) you can have more (un)paid leave. I know people that have 50 days a year (20+30) excluding public holidays and special leave.There can also be special paid leave like for instance when a close family member dies (spouse/child/parent/sister/brother/grandparent) or when your child is born. Depending on your salary scale (and day of week) overtime can be paid or unpaid. When overtime is paid, the percentage is 100% or higher.

Ok, to clarify: You work under contract? Is this in most professions, or just some? Much of the work in the US is 'at-will' employment.

I like the idea for paid leave during a tragedy. That would be nice. There is a program here that allots for up to 6 weeks paid (at a lower, 'unemployment' style rate) when you have to care for an adult member of your household, disability-wise that is, or if you have a new child (born or adopted) to give time to bond with.

Kev · 07-08-2012, 02:55 PM

I work 96 hours per week but only work 6 months of the year (North Sea oil rigs) and for that I earn £80,000 per annum.

Sounds good but everything over £43,000 is taxed at 40%

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CaptainZero Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 2,818	Re: Dear Europeans, how many hours do you work in a 7 day week? Skoto, and anyone else, you've got to start networking. The only way to get ahead is by knowing someone. It may be by working somewhere for a while and getting in good with a manager, but it's everywhere else too. It's all who you know! There is a great book out there, pretty old now, called 'Rich Dad, Poor Dad' that can really help you change the way you think about jobs and life in general. I would highly recommend checking it out. Not to necessarily get into real estate like he did, but it will help in all aspects of anyone's career. I'm sure doing dishes at Hooter's has it benies but it still has to suck, especially with a dickhead for a boss. diesect20022000, Skotosynthesis, Marshallmaniac and 1 others like this.

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thrawn86 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,657	Re: Dear Europeans, how many hours do you work in a 7 day week? How about a long day story? Once upon a time when I was in my early twenties, the company I was working for needed me to be in the East Bay area of California at a decent time to do some work (that's vague enough). I woke and got the company truck at 4 AM. I drove 4 1/2 hours to the job. I worked all day, and then drove all the way home. I parked the company truck at 12:09 AM. 20 hour day. Sickening to think of now, even though I'll pull 12-14 in this day and age. When I have to. I'm far beyond proving I'm a man. Stuff hurts a little more now. My longest work week ever was 74 hours in a six day period. It works out to a little over 12 hours/day. diesect20022000 likes this. __________________ -Martimus Maximus Tone Packs - MHD Pickups - OFA Pedals- Last edited by thrawn86; 07-05-2012 at 09:04 PM. Reason: spelling was my best subject.....but not today.

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elcid Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,117	Re: Dear Europeans, how many hours do you work in a 7 day week? We had a 6 story office building for HSBC to do a few years back, towards the end it was 5 twelve hour days, 10 on saturday and 8 on sunday from the week after thanksgiving until the middle of february longest day was 23 hours 10 minutes from the time i left the house until I got back home. Regular day followed by a cutover in the same building that started right when the first job ended. Would've been a lot shorter but the project manager thought he could save money by not ordering the right material. thrawn86 likes this.

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diesel king Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: UK Posts: 1,131	Re: Dear Europeans, how many hours do you work in a 7 day week? I work 12.5 hour shifts, and I work 50 hours in the space of 4 days. But I then get 4 days off. It averages out at 37.5 hours a week. Just crammed into a smaller space to equal more days off. thrawn86 and Wiseblood like this. __________________ JCM800 KK

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Ydna Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Livermore, CA Posts: 1,514	Re: Dear Europeans, how many hours do you work in a 7 day week? I'm working 40-60 hours a week for $11/hr here in the San Francisco Bay Area. I'm trying to find a place, but its rough. A one bedroom apartment and all utilities is $1,000/month in this area AT LEAST. Closer to $1,200-$1,300. I've sent out dozens of emails to people with rooms and called them and texted them, and I'm getting practically no response. Its ****ing ridiculous. Probably because I don't have any credit established. __________________ Current Amps 1. 1963 Sano Supersonic 2. Fender Dual Showman 1990s 3. Jtm45/100 build finished. Future Amps 1. Lots of plexis. Vintage ones, home built, or Metropoulos. I don't care. 2. A few preCBS fenders.

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D-Max Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Somewhere in the old world... Posts: 90	Re: Dear Europeans, how many hours do you work in a 7 day week? In the Netherlands a full time workweek is between 32 and 40 hrs. A nomal working day is 8 hours (excluding lunch time) and the Sunday is free. A regular workweek is 5 days (mon-fri). One can have a parttime contract (example:30 hrs in a 40 hr workweek) and work more (like 4 working days = 32 hrs) and build up extra days ("time for time"). Your employer needs to give you 20 paid working days, per year. This excludes public holidays. If you have children under 8, your employer must grant you unpaid parental leave when you request it. This up to 26 weeks per child, which can be consumed over the period until your child becomes 8. Depending on the collective labour agreement (which most employees have) you can have more (un)paid leave. I know people that have 50 days a year (20+30) excluding public holidays and special leave.There can also be special paid leave like for instance when a close family member dies (spouse/child/parent/sister/brother/grandparent) or when your child is born. Depending on your salary scale (and day of week) overtime can be paid or unpaid. When overtime is paid, the percentage is 100% or higher. __________________ I love the smell of a cranked in the morning...

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