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Unread 12-29-2011, 02:07 AM   #1 (permalink)
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tc GMAJOR 2 vs single effects pedals

hey

I was wondering what would be better for me to buy, single effects pedals or save up a bit and get a gmajor 2 and a midi footswitch??

money wise lets see which is better:

tc: ~480euros (thomann)
behringer footswitch (dontneed any thing fancy its only a switch: ~100euros

total~580 euros

VS

boss dd7 ~ 130euros
mxr stereo chorus 185 euros
phase 90 85 euros
boss harmonist 130 euros

we're already at 530 euros,
not to mention that I would have to buy or build a true bypass looper in order to activate 2 or more pedals with one switch (so i dont have to tap dane on my pedal board) whilst with the tc you can program the midi switch to switch on 2 or more effects with one push of a button!!!

also I heard that the tc is really good at not altering your tone , a friend of mine said you cant notice it in bypass...


so what ya think??
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Unread 12-29-2011, 02:27 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: tc GMAJOR 2 vs single effects pedals

TC Electronic G-Major 2 - YouTube man it sounds really cool but personally i'd stick with the pedals because i find them easier to use and you can stay truer to your amps tone. But it definately sounds pretty cool, nice tone and obviously more versatile especially if you are competent enough to set it up correctly, which I am not.
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Re: tc GMAJOR 2 vs single effects pedals

I have a g major 2 that works with my midi pedalboard and the JMP-1. ITS THE BEST SET UP EVEERRR
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I have a g major 2 that works with my midi pedalboard and the JMP-1. ITS THE BEST SET UP EVEERRR
well there u go...i guess i cant argue with that

Thats a big vote of confidence in the gmajor2
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Re: tc GMAJOR 2 vs single effects pedals

G-major. Unless you get crazy high quality FX, can't beat the G-major.
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Re: tc GMAJOR 2 vs single effects pedals

time to start saving up then.....


at least I still have ~280 euros left in my smart card (a goverment university stipend card that we can use at certain shops , music shops accept this card)

hopefully I wont have any more books to buy with this card before this scholastic year ends!!!!
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Re: tc GMAJOR 2 vs single effects pedals

Dd-7 vs. G-major delay: G-Major wins
Phase 90 vs. G-major phaser: p90 might be slightly better
Harmonist vs. G-Major pitch effects: G-major
MXR stereo chorus vs. G-major: probably MXR, but really nothing worng with the G-major's chorus.

Overall: I think the g-major wins for the extra FX, versatility and the fact you can actually make presets.
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TC Electronic G-Major 2 - YouTube man it sounds really cool but personally i'd stick with the pedals because i find them easier to use and you can stay truer to your amps tone. But it definately sounds pretty cool, nice tone and obviously more versatile especially if you are competent enough to set it up correctly, which I am not.
I have to say that's not entirely true in my experience with TC Electronics.

I run a Nova System via MIDI with my JVM and when i bypass the Nova the tone is the same. Come see it in action tomorrow night up the Ori mate if your free

To the OP, i say go with the G-Major2 setup. I run the Nova System the same way (MIDI foot controller) but i will be moving to the G-Major2 i think in the future when i get into some rack gear..

For the price you just cant go wrong. And much easier to manage IMO.
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Re: tc GMAJOR 2 vs single effects pedals

lets see where we're gonna scrounge the cash from.... i have a professional skateboard I have to sell, that'll get me 100 euros closer..... in januarey when we start university again, Ill head to the nearby skatepark with some flyers and put them up.....
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Re: tc GMAJOR 2 vs single effects pedals

I have a Gmajor 2 and its very good but definatly overkill for what I need, I find pedals far easier. If you do get one make sure your amp has a series loop,the g major 2 through a paralell is a waste of time. Also the Berhinger pedal has a very bad rep with G major users so beware, id say try a Rocktron Midimate!
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I have a Gmajor 2 and its very good but definatly overkill for what I need, I find pedals far easier. If you do get one make sure your amp has a series loop,the g major 2 through a paralell is a waste of time. Also the Berhinger pedal has a very bad rep with G major users so beware, id say try a Rocktron Midimate!

I have a 2203 reissue, I dont know exactly what loop it has.... the midi foot switch comes after lool, first I have to get cast to buy the tc looool

EDIT: ok I checked the marshall website, it says series loop on the 2203, Im good to go loool
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Re: tc GMAJOR 2 vs single effects pedals

My Gmajor works great. If you can find it try to get the Lexicon MPX r1 midi pedal or something similar.. Stay away from the berhinger. I started out with the berhinger and it had problems. I read on another forum about the Lexicon Midi board. Picked up the lexicon, everything works great now.
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Re: tc GMAJOR 2 vs single effects pedals

shit , ive got the cravings again,

ever since i got the marshall and the boss sd-1 and mxr eq, I tought I had cured g.a.s cos for me I have near damn perfect tone,

it's back to stay now, damn,
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Re: tc GMAJOR 2 vs single effects pedals

DONT BUY THE G MAJOR 1!!!! The knobs break, and its REALLY REALLY FRAGILE. Save for the number 2.
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Re: tc GMAJOR 2 vs single effects pedals

The G Major (and 2) are awsome FX rigs: it is true that the G Major 1 has knobs so weak that a fly landing on them makes them snap off into 500 pieces.

I never had a consistant sound - EVER - with pedals and didnt realize this until I owned a G Major. It made my rig consistant, and I ended up going with a G system eventually.

But, I still have a pedal board rig for the tone and sound a chain of pedals into an amp gives. I dont play out with that rig, mostly record with it.

While the G Major 1 does have delicate knobs, it is very usable and with a nice rack box and care, can be a viable gig-worthy effect rig. Most people go with the Behringer 1010 pedal, but I used a Rocktron MidiMate which worked fantasticly (and allows the use of an expression pedal). The G Major 1 goes from around $150-190 USD and will give you a good taste of what the G Major 2 does. The G Major 1 also has the Whammy effect and great digital FX (but no Wah).
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The G Major (and 2) are awsome FX rigs: it is true that the G Major 1 has knobs so weak that a fly landing on them makes them snap off into 500 pieces.

I never had a consistant sound - EVER - with pedals and didnt realize this until I owned a G Major. It made my rig consistant, and I ended up going with a G system eventually.

But, I still have a pedal board rig for the tone and sound a chain of pedals into an amp gives. I dont play out with that rig, mostly record with it.

While the G Major 1 does have delicate knobs, it is very usable and with a nice rack box and care, can be a viable gig-worthy effect rig. Most people go with the Behringer 1010 pedal, but I used a Rocktron MidiMate which worked fantasticly (and allows the use of an expression pedal). The G Major 1 goes from around $150-190 USD and will give you a good taste of what the G Major 2 does. The G Major 1 also has the Whammy effect and great digital FX (but no Wah).
I dont think the gmajor 2 has wah right? it has ability to attach expression pedal to control such things as whammy effect ecc but I think no wah
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it has a harmonizer and shit. U should really get it man, the g major 2 is BAD ASS. Once you get those presets, theres no going back, it will be PERFECT
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it has a harmonizer and shit. U should really get it man, the g major 2 is BAD ASS. Once you get those presets, theres no going back, it will be PERFECT


**** now I really really want it.......

time to see what the hell im gonna sell, (nothing guitar related, that stays lool)
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I have a 2203 reissue, I dont know exactly what loop it has.... the midi foot switch comes after lool, first I have to get cast to buy the tc looool

EDIT: ok I checked the marshall website, it says series loop on the 2203, Im good to go loool
If ou get a behringer footcontroller, get the uno software update, the thing is really a piece of shit without it.
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**** now I really really want it.......

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Don't sell your camera, we want pics!!!
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I prefer single pedals. If you are on a budget, get a used Block phase 90 ($40 to $50 bucks-easily modified to script logo) a used BOSS DD3 can be found as low as sixty bucks(all that you need of the DD7 without the silly stuff) and the compack MXR chorus ($100-analog five knobs, blue or bulseye graphic). Harmonisers are neat but they never sound like two guitars exactly. I use the shifter in a Digitech multi unit that I think blows the BOSS units away as far as tracking, but the new HM6 by BOSS is supposed to be better than the old ones.

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For a long time I used just my amp and delay and a crybaby. When I got into doing a wide array of covers I needed to get more effects specially for Rush and Pink Floyd songs and I pondered whether to go rack or pedals.

Since I was going to need to switch channels a lot I decided on going rack because that way I could program effects and channel changes into one step instead of tap dancing. The G major did change the amp tone a little.

I still wound up adding a couple stomp boxes but I have used the Gmajor 1 for a few years now and it does good over all. It has more effects than I need but the chorus and delay are real good.

I use the behringer midi pedal and it is alright but not that great. The foot switches are easy, but getting it to communicate with the TC was a pain and I still never understood how to get it to bank and never got the expression pedals to work so I use the first 10 settings but that's all I really need overall.

I think maybe the voodoo lab midi pedal might be better, the midi mate foot pedals look to small and frail based on looking at it. Plus the voodoo lab has a system where you can rack your stomp boxes also.

I actually have had a G system for a year off ebay but never used it so far because I found out my Mesa triple rectifier is not completely compatible with it because the older Mesa's like mine have a parallel loop not a serial loop which I read on a TC forum and Mesa forum that using it in a parallel can damage the amp with switching channels.

I just received a JVM 410 that is suppose to have a serial loop so I may use it with that.
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get a JMP-1 and all your problems will be solved.
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get a JMP-1 and all your problems will be solved.
Why would we want to get a James Made Poopoo???


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I used a bunch of pedals back when I first started out, mainly boss metalzone, delay, chorus, EQ and Wah, but as I started adding more stomps, I got really tired of the dance. To go from a clean chorus with delay to a distorted non chorus, non delay rhythm with the EQ engaged required 4 stomps for example..... Additionally, having to physically change settings all the time (tempo on the delay or sweep on the chorus, or amount of gain on distortion, or EQ) and either remember the settings for certain songs or have a list handy became a major pain, and if you lost the list..... nightmare gig time.... not only that, I find you just sound the same all the time as the pedals are so limiting, and I personally don't want to sound like Slayer when I am playing Hendrix.

Then I bought my 1st rack preamp, an ADA MP2 midi tube guitar preamp, after trying out a friends original ADA, and along with the ART X15 footcontoller it was a no brainer how much simpler it is to have programed patches, and later my 1st FX rack, an ART SGE Mach 2. It was so nice to be able to press one button on a floorboard and change everything, or program it to change only the effect settings and additonally use an expression pedal to swell effects, gain levels, volume, etc.....

I tell ya man after going rack, there is no going back to pedals for me(with the exception of the few rare pedals that can not be emulated in racks).

A few years ago I upgraded to the G-Major, and wow that unit totally destroyed my old ART unit soundwise, and the additional functionality of the midi control paramaters and effect settings. Then I bought the Behringer FCB1010 to control it, and even better. I don't use the UNO chip and have absolutely no problem completely controlling my rack, granted I don't use "stompbox mode," as thats the reason I went rack was to get away from stompbox dancing.

Last month I bought the G-Major 2 more or less because of the harmony tracking (the original G-Major was ok for whammy and straight up pitch bending, but didn't work well with distortion, but the GM2 has intelligent shifting and tracks amazingly well) so I could remove my digitech HM2 harmonyman from my signal chain, and return my setup to the true stereo preamp, and man it sounds so much better. And having a GM1 and GM2 together in the rack, I can get some pretty crazy shit effectwise.

The biggest thing here is most of the negative comments are from people that don't wanna spend any time setting stuff up, or lack the intelligence to understand how. They think that Midi is some difficult alien language and I really don't get why cause it all just makes sense to me.
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This is the section for dick jokes and conspiracy theories, take your gear questions somewhere else
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YMMV, but to date there has not been ONE multi unit that equals, much less surpasses a collection of pedals. The closest thing I can even think of would be a vintage MXR rack system, which costs a metric ass ton and then many have some sort of issue. Look at the rack systems of today, and compare it to pedals. Looks like an interesting debate. Yeah, and so it has been since the 1980s. How much is your MXR Distortion 2 worth? How much is your LM308 Blackface RAT worth? Now how much is your Digitech GSP21 worth, or your Zoom? 80s pedals are worth a fortune. 80s rack units (barring a few exceptions) are lining landfills. What about the 1990s? same deal. 2000s? Even the Line sux and other crap that was the cat's ass a few years ago doesn't seem to have overtaken the guitar world by storm, relegating pedals and amps to obscurity.

While it may not be a perfect analogy it has close ties with people who like those big 100 round "drum" magazines for assault rifles. They have a cool factor and an added convenience factor (fewer reloads) until you really analyze the strengths and weaknesses. There you find those mags overly expensive, rather cumbersome, and hell on earth if they go down when you need it. Now consider the same of rack vs. pedals...




1. Racks offer a simpler package than a bunch of pedals on the floor. Sure they do. No patch cables from hell. This is one place where rack equipment shines. That said, whether you have one unit or 6, you are going to need to get some rack mount and if you gig, a way of transporting it. You can own 18 pedals and store 16 in a drawer while you play with 2. Unless you have a permanent studio or a Road case from hell, racks have less convenience and more PITA than one initially considers.

2. Rack systems are easier to use. Oh? because of the tap-dancing issue? If it is that big of a deal, one can always buy a loop system for pedals and control them via MIDI like rack units. They can even be stored in a tool drawer enclosure like the pros have in their road cases. Oh that's expensive and a pain in the ass? Expensive, yes, but no more of a pain in the ass than earning your associates degree learning how to **** with all those presets on the rack unit.

3. Racks give you all the FX you need in one easy package. How is that a good thing? Go look at the gear of anybody who is more cultured pedalwise than a "tuner and a DS-1." How many people do you know who have a dedicated one-manufacturer pedalboard? I made a dedicated MXR board only after I made my main board consisting of various manufacturers. You may love Boss' DS-1 and DD, but dislike their BF-3 and hate their phase. Buying pedals means I can get the best possible choice for EACH application I want, or more than one choice for a subtle variation of the effect. With a Rack I get what they give me, like it or not.

Bonus round: When my new or vintage phaser craps out, all I need to do is head over to GC or craigslist and I'm back in business within the hour. I can have the broken unit fixed at my leisure and 90% of my rig's integrity remains unphased (pun intended). When my rack unit goes tits up, I am F-U-C-K-E-D "screwed". Everything is gone. Even if I can run to GC, on the slim chance they have it in stock, I have to reprogram all the presets. Imagine that going down a day before the gig.




Racks have their applications but Pedals are King.

ETA: I think TC is a great company and they offer great things, and while I would consider something like their Delay, I wouldn't dream of giving up all my choices and legendary tones in the little boxes for a TC unit.
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Unread 05-23-2012, 06:06 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Re: tc GMAJOR 2 vs single effects pedals

Gmajor, parametric eq, compressor,noise gate, harmonizer,flanger,chorus,many types of these along with lots of reverb types,and delay types.

the compresor works well, easy to program, compressor works as well as any pedal compressor I've used including the keeley (sp). noise gate is just as good as my hush IIc
al the other effects are standard for rack mount gear, reverb is excellent, tc is known for having great reverbs, delays are great too, easy to adjust and lots of choices.
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