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Unread 09-21-2011, 09:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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WTF is wrong with California

Couple Threatened With $500-Per-Meeting Fines For Home Bible Study

Does anyone else have a problem with this in America. The fact that they were finded for this tells me the US Constitution is dead in California.

Does anyone honestly think if this were Musliums doing the same in their home a single word would be spoken about it?

I am willing to help pay their fines until it goes to court, which IMO will fail in California knowing the activist judges there.
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MISSION VIEJO (CBS) — An Orange County couple has been ordered to stop holding a Bible study in their private home on the grounds that the meeting violates a city ordinance as a “church” and not as a private gathering.

Homeowners Chuck and Stephanie Fromm, of San Juan Capistrano, were fined $300 earlier this month for holding what city officials called “a regular gathering of more than three people”.

The Fromms also reportedly face subsequent fines of $500 per meeting for any further “religious gatherings” in their home, according to PJI.

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Unread 09-21-2011, 09:41 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Does anyone else have a problem with this in America. The fact that they were finded for this tells me the US Constitution is dead in California.

Does anyone honestly think if this were Musliums doing the same in their home a single word would be spoken about it?

I am willing to help pay their fines until it goes to court, which IMO will fail in California knowing the activist judges there.
I caught this earlier. In my opinion, California deserves all the misery it has. I will never spend another dime in that ****ing dump. That state has everything and the elected officials have ruined it.
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Saw this earlier too. They should probably jail them. No sex, dugs or rock n roll = no meeting
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California is almost as ****ed up as Az..
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50 people?? I would be pissed if these bible thumpers were parking in front of my house.

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Hardly. Cal is light years ahead in that department
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Re: WTF is wrong with California

I would think some agreement could be made, maybe the people could park farther away, or car pool or something. A compromise to make the neighbors happy.

If they are going to have the meetings twice a week, they ought to figure something out, out of respect.

But yea, fining them is absolutely ****ed. That's just stupid. I could see this going to the supreme court.

California is amazing, untill you look into the state government here.

California is ****ed up, and I doubt it will be fixed anytime soon.
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50 people?? I would be pissed is these bible thumpers were parking in front of my house.
That could be a legitimate issue, but by the sounds of it the fines are not making the parking a issue only that they are meeting there.

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Stephanie Fromm hosts a Bible study on Wednesdays that draws about 20 people, while Chuck Fromm’s Sunday-morning gathering draws as many as 50. But in the neighborhood of large homes on even larger lots—the Fromms live in a 4,700-square-foot home on a parcel that also has a corral, barn, pool and huge back lawn—Stephanie Fromm said parking was never a problem. Neither was noise, she said.
I did a Google earth of their home, there is about a 10 acre empty field across the street.

The Capistrano Dispatch - Capistrano Couple in Legal Battle for Hosting Bible Study in Home
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That could be a legitimate issue, but by the sounds of it the fines are not making the parking a issue only that they are meeting there.



I did a Google earth of their home, there is about a 10 acre empty field across the street.

The Capistrano Dispatch - Capistrano Couple in Legal Battle for Hosting Bible Study in Home
They have done this in California before Nuke. Pretty much the same situation made the news a few years ago.
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That could be a legitimate issue, but by the sounds of it the fines are not making the parking a issue only that they are meeting there.



I did a Google earth of their home, there is about a 10 acre empty field across the street.

The Capistrano Dispatch - Capistrano Couple in Legal Battle for Hosting Bible Study in Home
probably because you can't legaly park anywhere you want but, you acn mostly "meet" wherever" beauracratic legal loophole basicaly.

I haven't had access to the article though to base any opinion on it. There mnay well be good reason like, the neighbors mentioned it repeatedly and they weren't respecting their space or some other such reason. Like i said, i haven't read it yet so i don't know. IF it's what you're assuming (i'm assuming you're assuming,lol) that they're being penalized based on the fact that their Christian/religious and the neighbors don't like it etc then yeah that's foul.

I'm not religious but, in THAT regard i'm all for people following their religious beliefs if it works for them and doesn't impede on me or mine.
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.. Yall did not get the memo ... this a muslim country now ... ya best just hide that christian stuff ,, cause ya know most folks are wantin ta burn down a church and beat on a christian here in the US today ,, the discrimination is quite horrible and way over the top ..

This horrible persecution of christians .. will not stand ... cause ... um ...

,, Christians are the majority and descriminate wantonly accross the country with impunity against all other faiths or none ... ?

.. could be rabbit ,,, could be .....

.. Well would I turn the gas on .... ? ... you might rabbit ... you might ....

.. well would I throw a lighted match in there .... ?

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Re: WTF is wrong with California

This "article" doesn't go very far into the situation. I know it says that people have written letters in support of the hosts, but it doesn't say if there have been any complaints filed by neighbors regarding traffic issues. As a reader, I'd like to hear more from the city to determine if the city does indeed have a bias against the hosts, or whether there is documented, legitimate concerns regarding in relation to their meetings.

It's unfortunate that the city chose to make it seem like the issue is religion. Perhaps the city would have best been served if they found another way to address any possible complaints under more practical concerns. Until I read a more balanced article on this situation, it sounds to me like a bunch of dumb asses who don't know how to properly organize their events and a lazy city government who didn't take the time to find a better way to address the issues.

@ op: I don't think this one article is enough reason to start hating on CA by starting a thread that says "wtf is wrong with CA. Lord knows we Californians don't always make great decisions, but neither do people in other states like Oregon.
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No Oregon in some cases is worse, thanks to the migration of California whackos in search of cheaper real estate. In fact I would argue that Eugene Oregon is a close second to Marin County as the most populated communists in the US.
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Orange County... Republican Orange county, this is a surprise to you? The people will run you out of the neighborhood if you don't get the approval of the board of home owners association to have a yard sale. It a fascist Disney World down there. Every yart must look yust so, ya vol!
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No Oregon in some cases is worse, thanks to the migration of California whackos in search of cheaper real estate. In fact I would argue that Eugene Oregon is a close second to Marin County as the most populated communists in the US.
It's nice to know where we Californians are dumping our whackos.
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****ing California.
Its eco laws are the reason we can't buy "good" paint anywhere in the US or Canada now
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it's filled with bleeding heart liberals, Illegal Mexicans and Meth (who ironically) are all one in the same. there is your answer.
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it's filled with bleeding heart liberals, Illegal Mexicans and Meth (who ironically) are all one in the same. there is your answer.
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I agree, it has the highest concentration of laws and lameness.
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**** off! I live in the Central Valley Ca. In fact, I live in the town that is in the absolute dead center of CA. What I said IS ABSOLUTE TRUTH about Cali. you all can believe what you want to believe about California, but this is what it consists of, Liberals that don't have a clue about the real issues, Illegals that drive Escalades with 24" rims with bald tires and 7 kids in the back, and meth heads, which usually turn out to be illegal Mexican liberals standing on a street corner protesting the right do abort, shit, breath, live, drive, smoke, or whatever every goddamn weekend! then have the nerve to turn around the very next weekend and have a carwash for a "funeral" for "Lil' Puppet" R.I.P.

This is the REAL California. No sunshine, Beaches, Surfers, Blonds, Tans and shit, it's Meth, Illegal Mexicans, Roads with ****ing huge potholes, dead grass, farmland, Shitty people, 500 home tracts decaying still in their roughed in stages, and NO ****ING JOBS! just like AZ!

Don't believe me, come stay for awhile, I'll set you up with some friends in Winton CA, Meth/Crank capitol OF THE WORLD!

God I love this state..............................
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California turns into a great place once your in San Francisco or at least north of it. The Redwoods are beautiful, the ocean side drives are beautiful. Wonderful weather. Sausalito is awesome.
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Agreed but that's all fantasy, what I explained IS what Cali really is, or the major majority of it.
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Yea when I go to other states I try to enjoy myself and not think about the political state it is in. But California has some ****ing crazy tweakers
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A friend of mine just came back from California. I was surprised to learn that grass has been legalized and can be bought very easily for "medicinal purposes".


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Try Mississippi. I for one can not wait to get back to northern California. Yeah the redwoods portion of it. Not the lower portion. Jeff you are spot on about it.
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Lots of folks in San Fran hold the same political beliefs as you. That's all.
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